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    Why are good men so hard to find?

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle36365252/

    (annoying pop-ups and nag screens on that site, but worth the read)

    Spend a little time with single women in their early to mid-30s, and you'll be grateful you're not one of them

    large numbers of young women admit their private lives are a sad mess.

    In a nutshell, over the past few decades, the traditional relationship exchange has broken down. It used to be that men and women each had something the other really needed. Men needed access to sex. Women needed access to resources. Men couldn't get steady access to sex unless they had resources to offer, so they worked hard for them. The partnership between men and women was a grand bargain that (usually) left both sides better off.

    For men, sex was traditionally expensive. The price tag was a long-term commitment to provide for a woman (and children). But today, sex is cheap. And that changes everything.

    Sex got cheap because of three technological developments: the advent of the Pill, which divorced fertility from sex; the onset of mass-produced, high-quality pornography; and the arrival of online dating sites, which make it easy for men to find willing sex partners.

    Men don't have to prove themselves as providers any more. They can get all the sex they want anyway – including online porn on demand that can make the real thing feel mildly disappointing. (Ask younger women about men and porn. You'll get an earful.)

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Interesting article. The real issue, though, is what Wente finally gets to at the end, quoting Mark Regnerus. I'm going to correct what he says. In a particular society, it's the women who, through their own behavior, determine what's socially permissible. It's not about what women demand. It's about what women do. That's where men take their cues from.

    There are many reasons for why women behave so self-destructively today. A loss of all sense of right, honorable, and moral behavior -- or a failure to develop one in the first place. Short-term thinking. Competition among members of the same (female) sex. Egocentrism. Fear of exclusion. To what age group do all these personality traits apply? Yep, you're right. Toddlers. Non-MGTOW men don't want to marry toddlers, because toddlers past the age of seventeen are ticking time bombs. Non-MGTOW men want to marry women who at the very least appear to have psychologically matured.

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    I am going to copy and paste directly from the article.

    Sexual liberation is a fabulous thing – in some ways. But it can also turn men into louts, because women don't expect much in return for access. Today, most men can have all the sex they want for very little cost – no fancy dinner required. The irony, as Mr. Regnerus writes, is that today's mating market is probably more dominated by men's interests than ever before.
    The opposite is true. Sex is now more expensive than ever, because of social media and apps like tinder, even a below average women can hook up with a chad/tyrone in a matter of hours; it is more and more expensive for the average 'everyday man'. The mating market is dominated by female interest in having a hyper alpha, which she usually does get sex from, maybe not steady relationship and commitment.

    When women complain that marriageable men (sober, steady good providers) are harder to find than ever, they may well be right. The marriage rate is falling steadily, especially among the lower middle class, while long-term stable marriage is increasingly a privilege reserved for the better off.
    What she is referring to is blue pill beta males. They are on the increase, because again with social media, women cluster around the top 5% of the hyper-hyper alphas. There are plenty of men with decent jobs and stable lives, but women find them distasteful. In fact, a woman is disgusted by words like 'sober' 'steady'. That doesn't get her pussy creamy.

    A lot of women seem to have their act together these days. But a lot of men don't. "I think the greatest, most astonishing fact that I am aware of in social science right now is that women have been able to hear the labour market screaming out 'You need more education'… and men have not," MIT economics professor Michael Greenstone says in Cheap Sex.
    Women get preferential treatment in higher education. Just apply to any scholarship, if you are a woman you are almost guaranteed to get it over a man. There is bias in hiring, gender quotas etc.

    What might explain this puzzling fact? Men don't have to prove themselves as providers any more. They can get all the sex they want anyway – including online porn on demand that can make the real thing feel mildly disappointing. (Ask younger women about men and porn. You'll get an earful.)
    The average, 'everyday man' is not getting more sex. The hyper alpha is getting much more sex than say 20 years ago. Again, this is female instinct to look for the hyper alpha. Most of the men I know are completely sex starved, which is why they turn to pornography. You don't have to risk a $30 cocktails for a porn video to satisfy you.

    I would respond to her other points, but it is useless. Nevertheless, have a look at the picture of the 'lady' who wrote this article, she is way way past her expiration date and looks contemptible!

    Further in the article she spouts tradcon views about 'nobility'. Shit! I can't believe people still talk like this. The good thing is no one is really paying attention. It it far far too late. Women have made their choices and we are making our own choices; we are going our own way.

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Definitely sounds like whimyn are going a certain direction. I am so glad it isn't my direction.

    Laydeez, every feminist avenue will lead you to Aisle 4: box wine and cat toys. Enjoy your strength and independence.

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    The last sentence of the article:

    Mr. Regnerus writes. "[I]n the domain of sex and relationships men will act as nobly as women collectively demand."
    With respect to what he's talking about, what has been lost is the historical benefit that everyone had enjoyed in the old-fashioned sexual double standard through women’s control of men by regulating his access to her sex. By women regulating themselves, they regulated the men. Women have been talked out of this self-regulation and now the milk is free everywhere you look. By lowering the bar for themselves, women have lowered the bar for both sexes and that is what we now see. It appears that women collectively have forgotten this concept. Women should recapture this control and research the lost art of modesty. It had much power. A high price was paid for abandoning it. It will take another high price for women to recapture it. If I were women, I’d pay it.

    But, I'm a man, and MGTOW, and I don't care. That's their problem.
    The two most important days in your life are the day you were born and the day you find out why. - Mark Twain

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    - Henry David Thoreau

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Why are good men so hard to find?

    Uhhh...because hard men are good to find, and at your age with your looks...well, uhhh...nevermind.
    "Don't follow in my footsteps. I stepped in something."

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    My favorite bit:

    It may take a village to raise a child. But it takes a village to raise a husband, too. And modern society has largely abdicated from the job. "Good husband material doesn't occur naturally, but is instead the product (in part) of socialization, development, and social control," Mr. Regnerus writes.
    It's all the men... Women have only changed for the better, they are perfect - more perfect than ever. Good husband material is no longer required, in fact it's ridiculed, shamed and labelled toxic at every opportunity. Insane.

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCollar View Post
    My favorite bit:



    It's all the men... Women have only changed for the better, they are perfect - more perfect than ever. Good husband material is no longer required, in fact it's ridiculed, shamed and labelled toxic at every opportunity. Insane.
    And rightfully so - because it is stupid .
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Copy & paste ............

    I see this question posted with some regularity in the personals section, so I thought I'd take a minute to explain things to the ladies out there that haven't figured it out.

    What happened to all the nice guys?

    The answer is simple: you did.

    See, if you think back, really hard, you might vaguely remember a Platonic guy pal who always seemed to want to spend time with you. He'd tag along with you when you went shopping, stop by your place for a movie when you were lonely but didn't feel like going out, or even sit there and hold you while you sobbed and told him about how horribly the (other) guy that you were fucking treated you.

    At the time, you probably joked with your girlfriends about how he was a little puppy dog, always following you around, trying to do things to get you to pay attention to him. They probably teased you because they thought he had a crush on you. Given that his behavior was, admittedly, a little pathetic, you vehemently denied having any romantic feelings for him, and buttressed your position by claiming that you were "just friends." Besides, he totally wasn't your type. I mean, he was a little too short, or too bald, or too fat, or too poor, or didn't know how to dress himself, or basically be or do any of the things that your tall, good-looking, fit, rich, stylish boyfriend at the time pulled off with such ease.

    Eventually, your Platonic buddy drifted away, as your relationship with the boyfriend got more serious and spending time with this other guy was, admittedly, a little weird, if you werent dating him. More time passed, and the boyfriend eventually cheated on you, or became boring, or you realized that the things that attracted you to him weren't the kinds of things that make for a good, long-term relationship. So, now, you're single again, and after having tried the bar scene for several months having only encountered players and douche bags, you wonder, "What happened to all the nice guys?"

    Well, once again, you did.

    You ignored the nice guy. You used him for emotional intimacy without reciprocating, in kind, with physical intimacy. You laughed at his consideration and resented his devotion. You valued the aloof boyfriend more than the attentive "just-a-" friend. Eventually, he took the hint and moved on with his life. He probably came to realize, one day, that women aren't really attracted to guys who hold doors open; or make dinners just because; or buy you a Christmas gift that you mentioned, in passing, that you really wanted five months ago; or listen when you're upset; or hold you when you cry. He came to realize that, if he wanted a woman like you, he'd have to act more like the boyfriend that you had. He probably cleaned up his look, started making some money, and generally acted like more of an asshole than he ever wanted to be.

    Fact is, now, he's probably getting laid, and in a way, your ultimate rejection of him is to thank for that. And I'm sorry that it took the complete absence of "nice guys" in your life for you to realize that you missed them and wanted them. Most women will only have a handful of nice guys stumble into their lives, if that.

    So, if you're looking for a nice guy, here's what you do:

    1.) Build a time machine.
    2.) Go back a few years and pull your head out of your ass.
    3.) Take a look at what's right in front of you and grab ahold of it.

    I suppose the other possibility is that you STILL don't really want a nice guy, but you feel the social pressure to at least appear to have matured beyond your infantile taste in men. In which case, you might be in luck, because the nice guy you claim to want has, in reality, shed his nice guy mantle and is out there looking to unleash his cynicism and resentment onto someone just like you.

    If you were five years younger.

    So, please: either stop misrepresenting what you want, or own up to the fact that you've fucked yourself over. You're getting older, after all. It's time to excise the bullshit and deal with reality. You didn't want a nice guy then, and he certainly doesn't fucking want you, now.

    Sincerely,

    A Recovering Nice Guy

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Who cares? They got everything they ever wanted.

    -Freedom to work until they die? Check.
    -Freedom to whore around as much as they want with zero consequences? Check.
    -Freedom to "no-fault" divorce a good man and take everything he owns? Check.
    -Freedom to take a man's children away and pretty much everything he will have for 18 years? Check.
    -Freedom to collect welfare when their "career" doesn't pan out and they don't want to work OR be a wife/mother? Check.

    They got everything they ever wanted, and what did they ask for? They turned the dating and marriage market into a literal killing field for nice, decent men. At the same time, they've removed any kind of standards they once had to meet, denouncing them as "sexist" and "misogynistic". They no longer offer any of the things they once did in a "sexist" traditional society, but they want the man to provide all the same things he always did, even after she throws him out and starts banging other men.

    Well, this is the world you asked for ladies. It's no wonder the men are getting fed up with your shit and leaving. You no longer have anything to offer, and you can literally ruin our lives if we decide to try to marry you or have children with you. That's what you wanted, that's what you got. So fuck off.

    I'm beyond caring at this point. The current crop of women is so fucked up, they are a non-starter. Even if everything in society wasn't stacked against men, it still wouldn't be worth dating them. They can solve their own problems, for a change. I'm busy working on my own problems...like working hard and saving for retirement so I can get the fuck away from them and the man-hating society they hijacked and turned against us. I don't give a fuck about them or any of their problems, and I never will.

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    I know I've posted a link to this song before, but this seems like the appropriate occasion. File under "Dark Consequences for Dark Behavior."



    Direct link if the above doesn't work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0bk6Hbz0ZU

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Well it was bound to happen. Some ugly old hag treats men like absolute filth, degrades them at every chance, and then when she expires, all the sudden men are needed to do some heavy lifting, and pussy licking.

    I must say I admire how manipulative women are; I wish men could be this cunning.

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Well it was bound to happen. Some ugly old hag treats men like absolute filth, degrades them at every chance, and then when she expires, all the sudden men are needed to do some heavy lifting, and pussy licking.

    I must say I admire how manipulative women are; I wish men could be this cunning.
    Men are but not every male is a man and not every man has enough leverage to pull their cunning plans off .
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Well it was bound to happen. Some ugly old hag treats men like absolute filth, degrades them at every chance, and then when she expires, all the sudden men are needed to do some heavy lifting, and pussy licking.

    I must say I admire how manipulative women are; I wish men could be this cunning.
    Men can be cunning but men also realize the opportunity costs involved. For example. look at most men in business at the top of their game. They are ruthless, calculating, and also looking at the bottom line for investors. There is no work and life balance as work is there life but they relish that and being in power of business or organizations.

    Women are cunning in that they have manipulate bottom tier, mid tier and upper tier men to receive anything they want.

    It is a cruel world out there but we must discuss it clearly for what it is. I wondered why my father was so tough on me at a young age. But he did it to toughen me up so I wasn't so soft or naive about the world around me. He was the ultimate cynic and questioning everything is healthy for a society to thrive.

    I guess that is why my love for science and religion is strong in me in that I want to question everything but also seek answers beyond what lame stream society drip feeds like poison.
    Last edited by Azure Nomad; March 23, 2019 at 1:01 PM.

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Women are cunning in that they have manipulate bottom tier, mid tier and upper tier men to receive anything they want.
    Pretty much win-win. You don't have to work and you get to live a life of luxury; until they hit the wall that is.

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    I wondered why my father was so tough on me at a young age. But he did it to toughen me up so I wasn't so soft or naive about the world around me. He was the ultimate cynic and questioning everything is healthy for a society to thrive.
    I think cynics are the only ones who see humanity for what it truly is. (And yes, I do include myself in that stinking brown pile.) That's why I like Mencken and Twain so much. They just seem to... get it.

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Pretty much win-win. You don't have to work and you get to live a life of luxury; until they hit the wall that is.
    Not so long ago nobody lived long enough to hit the wall .

    Plus upper tier women do not have to manipulate anyone , men give them everything themselves even more than they have .


    For upper tier women the biggest problem is what to do so bottom feeders would fuck off .

    Its only bottoms that dog eat dog each other .
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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    I believe that same need of validation that pushes young men to tolerate any amount of crap from young women, tend to backfire once they get old and the guys got used not to be validated.

    At that point that anger and frustration turns into neutrality, they no longer need to be validated and even if they had to, they wouldnt be from aged witches who always saw them as second choices to begin with.

    Thats when many guys turn mgtow instinctually even before than logically for all the reasons we all know (economics, laws, drama,quiet and so on).

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackal View Post
    I believe that same need of validation that pushes young men to tolerate any amount of crap from young women, tend to backfire once they get old and the guys got used not to be validated.

    At that point that anger and frustration turns into neutrality, they no longer need to be validated and even if they had to, they wouldnt be from aged witches who always saw them as second choices to begin with.

    Thats when many guys turn mgtow instinctually even before than logically for all the reasons we all know (economics, laws, drama,quiet and so on).
    Thats when not that many guys turn mgtow .

    Not being able to afford her doesnt mean that you turned mgtow , if women do not even notice you ever doesnt mean you turned mgtow .

    Even on mgtow forums not that many guys are mgtow .

    Its like if you go to the gym do you automatically turn pro ?

    If you post shit in comment sections women this , women that ...means shit .
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: Why are good men so hard to find?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    Thats when not that many guys turn mgtow .

    Not being able to afford her doesnt mean that you turned mgtow , if women do not even notice you ever doesnt mean you turned mgtow .

    Even on mgtow forums not that many guys are mgtow .

    Its like if you go to the gym do you automatically turn pro ?

    If you post shit in comment sections women this , women that ...means shit .
    Not sure if I got your message correctly.

    I mean that most guys understand that its not worth the hassle after they see fresh brand new women being spoiled and broken from other dudes while at the same time have those same women in such a bad taste available to them to such a high cost that not even those who got them new had to pay.

    By cost I dont necessarily mean money, I mean mental health, peace of mind and so on.


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