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    Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    Women are the gatekeepers of sex.
    Men are the gatekeepers of relationships/marriage.

    Today, hypergamous women largely shut the gate to sex for 80% of men ("an 80%'er") during their prime years in favor of the top 20% of men (opting for pump and dumps, rather than healthy mutualistic relationships).
    When done with the carousel, this woman in her late 20's/early 30's suddenly opens the gate of sex to an 80%'er TEMPORARILY during the brief courtship until marriage. The man all too excitedly open the gate to marriage ("See someone actually likes me! Mommy always said I was a catch!"). As soon as the marriage is done, that same woman closes the gate to sex, maybe as soon as the honeymoon.

    The modern man is left scratching his head why he jerks off more now that he's married than before. How could sex fizzle so quickly? Truth: it was NEVER in the cards. The ranks of https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/ grows every day with blue pill men who aren't sure "What's the Problem?" or "Is it something with me?". "Poor me FML". Why would a woman trained to reinforce her hypergamous instinct for a top 20% man in terms of 'popularity'/'physical status' etc. suddenly gain attraction for a man she instinctively shut out from the moment she hit puberty. It doesn't happen. She's thought about relationships/attraction the wrong way for too long.

    Prior to extreme hypergamy being legitimized by society, women habituated themselves to a wider range of men; could see themselves with men their own SMV. In a long-term relationship, men held open the gate of Relationship and women held open the gates of sex- and both felt they were justified in doing so. Women could still pair-bond, and were ok with looks-matched/same-SMV partners.

    However, given the changed reality, we have to stop making marriage an indicator of anything positive for men; when we know it merely signifies gullibility.
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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    Some men, myself included, choose life in the open range of everlasting sovereignty where there are no gates, fences, barbed wire, pitfalls, and all the other hazards associated with the social stockyards, slaughterhouses, and human butcheries.

    No harness, no saddle, no bridal, and no reigns to control what I'm doing and where I'm going, just freedom of movement and direction, and that's something that scares the hell out of blue pill saturated men, they're trapped in the collective looking to others for direction, comfort, security, and a sense of belonging, when in fact they become the belongings of others that don't have their best interest at heart, they trust their souls in the pockets of tyrants.

    They got the wall at the same time I chose the gate between myself and freedom! We are no longer headed in opposite directions walking toward one another, we're now walking away from each other with our backs to each other never to gaze in their eyes again, thank god, good ridding!

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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    It's working very well for box wined and kitty litter salesmen.

    Once these Chad chasers lose it, they're ready for a "good man" so one will say. Be fooled, not!

    I've witnessed, live, a Chad being called on the phone by some old sea hag whose cherry he harvested way back when we where young. Her husband was not home. He did not go, but who in their right mind would marry these thrashed out former frat house pool table conga line champions.

    The blue pill runs very deep. We're the lucky ones.
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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    This is one of the funny things about men. We are one of the most rational creatures out there. We are able to analyze, to separate facts from emotions, to understand the world in a way that simply is not possible for the less rational sex. But when it comes to love and relationships, we fall flat on our face.

    The fact of the matter is, women do not WANT good men. They NEED us, but they do not WANT us, and they never did. That's a hard red pill to swallow. But if you look at how they behave, you can see it's 100% true. In their sexual prime, their most fertile years, when they can have anyone, who do they choose to date? And then after they hit the wall, are broke and in debt, have bastard kids, and are living in poverty, who do they suddenly want then? They only settle for good providers out of sheer necessity, but when it's up to them the good guy is ALWAYS their last pick.

    They do not deserve us, and they do not deserve our resources. And if you're willing to accept that shitty, insulting, degrading offer from them...Well, that's about the most irrational thing a man can do. And yet, there are still men doing it, because they want to believe they've found their unicorn...and they are still oblivious to women's nature, even when it is in our face every day.

    That's why we need to keep talking. Our message is definitely spreading. More men are learning the truth about women's nature, and more women are getting exactly what they deserve...which is NOTHING. We cannot change their nature, and we cannot make them what we want them to be. But we can save the men who would become their prey. We can look after our own best interests, and we can take our most valuable resources - our time, energy, and money - and invest them in ourselves instead of losing it all to them.

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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    Times are changing, to say that you didnt have sex for a year was a stigma that no man wanted at the cost of lying or even have sex with sea monsters just to avoid it.

    Nowadays I have no problem to tell my friends or even acquaitances in the gym that Im not having any and that given the condition necessary to break the dry spell, Im fine prolonging it.

    No shame or jokes, most of the guys either say that they understand my point or that if it wasnt for their high libido, they would do the same.

    Something like this only 10 yrs ago would have made you the joke of the town despite half of the men being in the same condition.

    My policy is clear, I'm an average guy in terms of looks, only with tremendous hassle and work I could get a below average girl and given the cost benefits ratio I find it not worth...simple as that.

    Now talking about relationship? lol not even if I get it with a pretty girl for a reasonable amount of work...the cost would be my unlimited freedom and no amount of anything would justify it let alone a grown child within my walls.

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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    Women (and all of their blue-pill simps, manginas, cucks, and white-knights) have this "men must chase" mentality. You're "not a real man" if you don't chase. Then, you show up in the mating arena as a 6 and they say "Okay, you can get a 2 right now or compete wildly for a 4." If you say that's not fair, you lose a point for whining. So, you lift, make more money, "better yourself" as they say so you can quality for a 6 like yourself. And then comes ALL OF THE BULLSHIT of being in a relationship when really all you wanted was some occasional sex. Men can't admit they just want occasional sex - society shames men for wanting this. Relationship GOOOOOOOD. Casual sex BAAAAAAAAD.

    Really, when I was young all that effort (keeping a gym-fit body, having extra cash, spotless place, nice trendy clothes, always well groomed...) this all took work. But, back then I considered putting most of my time money and energy into being ready to find a girlfriend at a moments notice. That included having a very outgoing social circle that would continually go places where meet ups where possible.

    Now, as I approach 50, I want nothing to do with such a poor place to allocate all of these resources. Why put in the work when it gets you nothing in return? I just do the minimum now - do what I need to meet certain standards I have for MYSELF and that's it.

    The amount of resources it takes to impress a female and "make her happy" (fleeting contentment) is just a head shaker for me. Like, WHY?

    Why bother?

    Let her just devolve into her default state of being miserable and just stay a mile away.

    Once you don't need them for sex anymore, it really makes life incredibly simple.
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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthine View Post
    This is one of the funny things about men. We are one of the most rational creatures out there. We are able to analyze, to separate facts from emotions, to understand the world in a way that simply is not possible for the less rational sex. But when it comes to love and relationships, we fall flat on our face.

    The fact of the matter is, women do not WANT good men. They NEED us, but they do not WANT us, and they never did. That's a hard red pill to swallow. But if you look at how they behave, you can see it's 100% true. In their sexual prime, their most fertile years, when they can have anyone, who do they choose to date? And then after they hit the wall, are broke and in debt, have bastard kids, and are living in poverty, who do they suddenly want then? They only settle for good providers out of sheer necessity, but when it's up to them the good guy is ALWAYS their last pick.

    They do not deserve us, and they do not deserve our resources. And if you're willing to accept that shitty, insulting, degrading offer from them...Well, that's about the most irrational thing a man can do. And yet, there are still men doing it, because they want to believe they've found their unicorn...and they are still oblivious to women's nature, even when it is in our face every day.

    That's why we need to keep talking. Our message is definitely spreading. More men are learning the truth about women's nature, and more women are getting exactly what they deserve...which is NOTHING. We cannot change their nature, and we cannot make them what we want them to be. But we can save the men who would become their prey. We can look after our own best interests, and we can take our most valuable resources - our time, energy, and money - and invest them in ourselves instead of losing it all to them.
    ^ Truth. If you look at the war on men, everything they do is designed to remove our personal agency and increase wealth transfers from men to the 'oppressed.' Every law, regulation, court ruling, law enforcement agency, media outlet, and politician all want the same thing: our resources and our acquiescence.

    I say fuck them and the horse they rode in on (They may try to legalize that as well!) The only rational response is to go your own as best you can. And be sure to serve as an example to other men still chained on the plantation: there is an alternative.

    The upshot of all this is that it has never been safer to be a good guy. You will be invisible, unless you are rich. Then ghosting is your only option.

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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    I'm starting to think this 80/20 thing is starting to lose relevance or is greatly exaggerated. Perhaps it applies in your social circles, but it doesn't in mine. The kind of places I go and the kind of women I meet do not adhere to this rule. It is generally expected that ALL men have to pay for pussy here, no matter if you are a 10/10 male model chad or 5 foot tall fat fuck who dresses like a bum. No woman here gives it out for free to ANYONE. You approach a woman on a night out and you have to flaunt cash, in fact, you have to show them the inside of your wallet to let them know clear as day you are going to hand them a stack of bills in exchange for sex.

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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    I always figured that men still have general control into taking a relationship to the next level as opposed to being just about sex. Only difference is the difficulty curve with it favoring the select male (The 20%'ers) with the business end of the curve focused on the Average Joe (80%) Problem is the typical male put so much stock into sex, as if it's the elevator to status and if you don't get it, you're basically cast off as a pariah. That's generally BS and it affects those who let it affect you. Sex as good of a past-time as it is doesn't really improve on your life, hell if you're careless it could make it worse in the form of a unexpected child, STD or the woman's actual BF/Husband running up on you.

    The control dynamic shifts as the woman gets older and her SMV begins to plummet, she will become submissive to a guy she doesn't see as her ideal but she's looking for the security of a man to provide to her, at least until marriage is finalized. The moment that is done, that marriage becomes temporary as it slowly decays into the divorce process, or it might speed up depending on the situation of said marriage. How marriages work in the 20th century to the 21st have become vastly different. Millennial men are kinda fucked since they tend to learn this lesson the hard way but I have hope for Generation Z. They're truly beginning to see that marriage has become an archaic concept and won't participate in it, unless if the marriage is an open marriage and partake in polygamous relationships. More often than not, they won't even attempt to put a ring on it and there are many viable ways to get sexual gratification (dating apps galore or social sessions). There's not much value in relationships anymore because neither men or women take it seriously anymore.

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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    Quote Originally Posted by UnFucked View Post
    I'm starting to think this 80/20 thing is starting to lose relevance or is greatly exaggerated. Perhaps it applies in your social circles, but it doesn't in mine. The kind of places I go and the kind of women I meet do not adhere to this rule. It is generally expected that ALL men have to pay for pussy here, no matter if you are a 10/10 male model chad or 5 foot tall fat fuck who dresses like a bum. No woman here gives it out for free to ANYONE. You approach a woman on a night out and you have to flaunt cash, in fact, you have to show them the inside of your wallet to let them know clear as day you are going to hand them a stack of bills in exchange for sex.
    It sounds like southern California, or Vegas. If a woman wants you she'll chase you. Sometimes relentlessly. And they feel they're entitled to your attention, even when you've made it clear that you don't want them. I understand the 80/20 rule as it applies to women, and I've seen it applied in my youth. After five years or so of marriage there were all these single moms running around looking for...Mr. Goodbar? No. They wanted another wallet to add to the one they were picking clean...and "why don't these guys want to date single moms?" I can still remember that whiny voice like nails on a chalkboard. We here have figured it out and we know it applies everywhere. It's the blue pilled MGTOW wannabe's that still can't believe it, even though they've all experienced it. That's because their wives have explained it to them in hamster logic. That's why they think mom has a basement somewhere where we all get together. How about a garage instead with a band?
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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    I think the 80/20 rule is like this:\

    80% of men are sexual nonpersons to women, unless they have the money to compensate.
    Of the 20% left, women get went panties for the top 20% of them, that 0.2 x 0.2 = 0.04 or 4%

    This is why I think guys who say women are after 5% (not 20%) of the male population are more correct.
    Granted, they often end up settling for the bottom 3/4 of the top 20%... but they're all shooting for the top.

    Men, however, know that going after a woman even AT your own SMV is a stretch now.
    Most men go 1 to 2 points below their SMV just to keep the rejection factor tolerable.

    The thirst out there is incredible. Guys walking with these ham planets... I'd rather fuck a goat. I'm not kidding. hahaha that was punny.
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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    I'll just throw this up there for posterity. Great thread Jagr, great responses guys.

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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    I know many MGTOW don't have much respect for Jordan Peterson, but he was spot on in his observation that socially enforced monogamy is a damned miracle. As far as I can recall, he made no claim to knowing how it evolved. It doesn't really mater though. It harnessed the labor of countless beta males for the good of society. Kill it, and you kill society. That is what we are in the middle of.

    The tradcons rightly observe that killing traditional marriage is a death blow to western culture. What they don't seem to understand is that the death blow has already been delivered. An individual man throwing himself into the meat grinder will do nothing to bring back the old system. It's like a young man thinking he is going to help win the war in Afghanistan if he joins the Marines. The war was never meant to be won. He's just risking getting all of his limbs blown off for no reason what so ever.
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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    Quote Originally Posted by UnFucked View Post
    I'm starting to think this 80/20 thing is starting to lose relevance or is greatly exaggerated. Perhaps it applies in your social circles, but it doesn't in mine. The kind of places I go and the kind of women I meet do not adhere to this rule. It is generally expected that ALL men have to pay for pussy here, no matter if you are a 10/10 male model chad or 5 foot tall fat fuck who dresses like a bum. No woman here gives it out for free to ANYONE. You approach a woman on a night out and you have to flaunt cash, in fact, you have to show them the inside of your wallet to let them know clear as day you are going to hand them a stack of bills in exchange for sex.
    That's terribly depressing, but I don't doubt for an instant that what you say is true.

    The U.S. seems to have degenerated into Ho Nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post

    Today, hypergamous women largely shut the gate to sex for 80% of men ("an 80%'er") during their prime years in favor of the top 20% of men (opting for pump and dumps, rather than healthy mutualistic relationships).
    I really needed this info back in the 1980's and 1990's. I'm grateful I avoided settling for a used up single mother though.

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    Re: Guide to Sex and Marriage in the 21st Century

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    I know many MGTOW don't have much respect for Jordan Peterson, but he was spot on in his observation that socially enforced monogamy is a damned miracle. As far as I can recall, he made no claim to knowing how it evolved.
    If you are curious at how it evolved, I strongly recommend this book. Very interesting take on how monogamy came about. Read it a few years ago and believe I talked about it on this forum. Well-written.


    https://www.amazon.com/Marriage-Civi.../dp/1621572013

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    I think the 80/20 rule is like this:\

    80% of men are sexual nonpersons to women, unless they have the money to compensate.
    Of the 20% left, women get went panties for the top 20% of them, that 0.2 x 0.2 = 0.04 or 4%

    This is why I think guys who say women are after 5% (not 20%) of the male population are more correct.
    Granted, they often end up settling for the bottom 3/4 of the top 20%... but they're all shooting for the top.

    Men, however, know that going after a woman even AT your own SMV is a stretch now.
    Most men go 1 to 2 points below their SMV just to keep the rejection factor tolerable.

    The thirst out there is incredible. Guys walking with these ham planets... I'd rather fuck a goat. I'm not kidding. hahaha that was punny.
    I think you're absolutely right. The 80/20 rule is wishful thinking. In actuality, it is the top 1% or better that they are all striving for.

    Let's just suppose for a second that their minimum requirements are as follows: 6' or taller, six figure income, not overweight. This filters out about 85%, 95%, and 66% of men, respectively. So the probability of a man having all of these qualities is: 0.15 x 0.05 x 0.33 = 0.002475, or 0.25%.

    You read that right. Less than one quarter of one percent of all men would have all of those characteristics. That's not accounting for their near-infinite amount of other ridiculous demands. Geographic location, age range, political affiliation, penis size, style, how handsome they are, educational attainment; these are all characteristics which have a huge influence on their mate selection.

    Quite simply, their ideal men do not exist. Or if they do, it is such a small percentage of the male population, they might as well not exist. Now, they might be WILLING to settle for a guy who has say two out of the three traits I quantified above, like a 6' guy who is not overweight. That guy would already be in the top 5%; 0.15 x 0.33 = roughly 5%. But it doesn't matter. They will ALWAYS be looking to monkey branch to a better guy, and they will NEVER value the guys that they do have.

    Meanwhile, what do any of these women bring to the table? I mean lets be honest. The only thing they have to offer is sex. Most of them aren't even that attractive, but if all you offer is sex, then your level of attractiveness is the ONLY thing that matters. This is why women have become so narcissistic and vain, why they paint on clown makeup, and wear clothing that makes them look like prostitutes. Because they ARE prostitutes.

    On a deeply subliminal level, even they realize that their only asset is sex. But their expectations are so delusional and so high, that they have all effectively priced themselves out of the market. They will ALL end up alone, and miserable. That is no exaggeration or overstatement.

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    Wow!!

    0.25% for just those three requirements.

    Plus, as you stated, those are just three requirements of what is usually an almost infinite, changing list.

    Scary.

    Have you ever done a calculation for a longer, yet still bog-standard list?

    6' tall
    6" or larger penis
    6 figure income
    Large savings/large disposable income
    Not overweight
    Very handsome
    Extremely stylish
    Within a suitable age range
    Within a suitable geographical location for dating purposes
    Socially successful
    No kids
    University degree
    No hobbies that take time away from her
    Makes friends jealous
    + anything else.

    Would there even be enough 0.0's to calculate it?

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    Wow!!

    0.25% for just those three requirements.

    Plus, as you stated, those are just three requirements of what is usually an almost infinite, changing list.

    Scary.

    Have you ever done a calculation for a longer, yet still bog-standard list?

    6' tall
    6" or larger penis
    6 figure income
    Large savings/large disposable income
    Not overweight
    Very handsome
    Extremely stylish
    Within a suitable age range
    Within a suitable geographical location for dating purposes
    Socially successful
    No kids
    University degree
    No hobbies that take time away from her
    Makes friends jealous
    + anything else.

    Would there even be enough 0.0's to calculate it?
    Haha, believe me, I've done lots of these calculations. The thing you have to realize is that every single factor you calculate basically cuts your previous calculation into a fraction, so it DECREASES at an exponential rate. By the time you throw in five or six variables, you're looking at thousandths and tens of thousandths of a percent. I'll throw in a calculation at the end to illustrate my point.

    The other thing you have to realize is that you can only run a calculation with quantifiable variables. For example, I can look up statistical information and find out how many guys are a certain height, income, education level, etc. I CAN'T quantify something like how handsome they are, how dominant they are in bed, how attractive their personalities are, etc. But women's standards are so damn subjective that if you could quantify these variables, you'd be left with a far more minuscule number.

    When I say the guys they are looking for do not exist, I am not exaggerating. There literally is not a single man on earth who can meet all of their requirements, and even if there was, she'd find something else wrong with him the second she had him. That is why guys like Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, etc end up divorced just like the rest of us. Because women literally ALWAYS think they can do better than the guy they're with.

    Anyway, here are some stats for my calculation. I don't have time to show sources for all of them, but I've researched these and know the numbers pretty well. Even if the numbers are not perfect, they illustrate my point well. Here are a few:

    6' or taller: 15%
    6 figure income: 5%
    6" or longer penis: 5%
    Doctorate degree: 5%
    Not overweight: 33%
    No kids: 50%
    Age 25-34: 13.9%

    So for a guy with all of these qualities the equation is: 0.15 x 0.05 x 0.05 x 0.05 x 0.33 x 0.139 = 0.00000086 or 0.000086%

    See what I'm saying? That's just seven variables, and look at how much smaller the number is than my previous calculation. It's literally thousands of times smaller.

    Women's standards are literally impossibly high. It's not just that there are so few guys who possess a certain trait, like being above a certain height, income, etc. It's that when you throw all those characteristics together, the number of guys who possess ALL of those traits (or even just a few of them) becomes INFINITELY small.

    Of course, women do not have the ability to reason this stuff out or understand it on a mathematical level. All they can see is there seem to be a certain number of guys on Tinder, at the bar, etc that have a few of these traits and they figure they can just keep swiping and fucking until they find the perfect guy. Only it NEVER happens, because that guy doesn't exist. Not to mention all the other problems with their approach, which I don't need to spell out here.

    This virtually guarantees that they will end up unhappy, and most of them alone. This is how completely and utterly hopeless the modern western female is. This is why they can never be satisfied. This is why the men who understand them are simply walking away.

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    Oh goody! I'm in the 5% group! I made it by just a millimeter!


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