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    Re: Ghost town

    MGTOW is a gate, not the ride. I'm here for the guys that come in alone, lost and hurt. If the lights are still on here, I'll stay up late for the new guys that need straight answers and company.
    The possible reason for the forum being slow is because everyone is actively MGTOW'ing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Rodent View Post
    Thank you, Natural Born MGTOW, for your kind remembrance of me. Since I arrived late to this thread, much of what I might have said has already been expressed by other commentators. Perhaps the underlying problem is that most of still-active members are mature MGTOWs—whatever their chronological ages may be. Therefore, it becomes increasingly difficult to introduce a topic which seems fresh or original.

    I think AxFa expressed the situation most succinctly. Eventually, one becomes tired of reading about female depravity, the evils of modern feminism, or unjust civil and criminal laws towards men. After all, nobody needs a thousand examples in order to understand the basic premise. The only thing I might add is my feeling that MGTOW—with its over-emphasis upon individuality and self-reliance—has acquired the desolation of a forced and artificial solitude. It is not the isolation of a genuine brute, which has after all something of the power of a natural force.

    This is not to say that individuality should become lost or submerged within some community. It is not an either/or proposition. If community becomes the exclusive principle, then we end up with a fascist state, or some type of cult where people are discouraged from independent thinking. On the other hand, too much individuality leads to something like modern America—a place where most people have come to feel atomized and powerless, while living in superficial and insincere relationships.

    Although I’m not sure about Reddit, NBM, I can certainly attest that the MGTOW community on YouTube is vibrant and growing—not permeated with decay and decadence. Also, like you, I still miss LastPriory. If it’s any consolation, however, he did make two posts in Opposing Views after he was banned—something which nobody else appears to have noticed. Both the writing style, and the initials, should leave no doubt as to the authorship. I’ll leave it to you, however, to decipher their meaning.

    This finally brings us to the Unanswered Question—how to infuse new life and vigor into a dying forum. The most obvious solution would be to expand the original meaning of MGTOW so that it becomes something bigger and more inclusive. In practical terms, however, I don’t think this is something which can be easily realized. Just look at some of the recent comments on this thread. While you, NBM, are expressing a desire for a larger and more active community, Alik claims that no real MGTOW community exists—that MGTOW is about facing the hardships of life alone and being accountable for our individual choices. Meanwhile, Neo is extolling the idea of self-improvement, and saying that by improving ourselves we improve the world as well. How then, can you hope to reach any consensus about where MGTOW should go, or what it should become?

    Anyway, I’m sorry if I could not be more helpful. And while I might say something more positive—in a glib or superficial sense—I feel it's better to be honest.
    Well, yeah, it doesnt . Even compared to conspiracy theorist community is more of a community . You know the people that rant about who is behind 911 , how the World Bank operates , who is the shareholders of IMF , how many children does pope eat for breakfast and then they go to flipping burgers or loading shelves at TESCO . This kind of community

    Even compared to them we are not a community

    Community of people to post something at the top off your head and then go back to eat , shit , sleep and think about how to make ends meet

    But im not telling i dont like it here Its lovely actually !
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    Re: Ghost town

    Well, personally I've just been busy with other stuff. Besides that, I've found myself not really having anything meaningful to add to the discussion so while I've lurked around the forum every now and then, I've simply not posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Deer View Post
    MGTOW is a gate, not the ride. I'm here for the guys that come in alone, lost and hurt. If the lights are still on here, I'll stay up late for the new guys that need straight answers and company.
    The possible reason for the forum being slow is because everyone is actively MGTOW'ing.
    I wasn't going to say anything initially about the 'Ghost Town' thing.

    Part of the problem - this place has made it clear that the anger and pain part of things is not really where the focus is. It doesn't want to see or hear that.

    So much here is about getting over it and there has been a lack of focus on anything other than 'get over it and move on' most of the time.

    Don't be angry. Don't feel that way. Do this and feel this way instead. Many men are not ready to move past anything, until they first move through all of it.

    One still must move through something before he can put it behind him. That can take time. Sometimes, a lot of time. It has never been my perception that GYOW was a place open to that part of things. GYOW has always been about the post anger, moving on, and a desire for 'improvement' aspect of things beyond the anger phase, and that's a more narrow niche for many guys going through things.

    I think its great you want to be there for others, and maybe those men are not posting but chatting or communicating in other ways, but anyway...if there is conjecture on why things are somewhat of a ghost town, I think it's because the niche focus on this place makes it so.
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    Re: Ghost town

    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes View Post
    I wasn't going to say anything initially about the 'Ghost Town' thing.

    Part of the problem - this place has made it clear that the anger and pain part of things is not really where the focus is. It doesn't want to see or hear that.

    So much here is about getting over it and there has been a lack of focus on anything other than 'get over it and move on' most of the time.

    Don't be angry. Don't feel that way. Do this and feel this way instead. Many men are not ready to move past anything, until they first move through all of it.

    One still must move through something before he can put it behind him. That can take time. Sometimes, a lot of time. It has never been my perception that GYOW was a place open to that part of things. GYOW has always been about the post anger, moving on, and a desire for 'improvement' aspect of things beyond the anger phase, and that's a more narrow niche for many guys going through things.

    I think its great you want to be there for others, and maybe those men are not posting but chatting or communicating in other ways, but anyway...if there is conjecture on why things are somewhat of a ghost town, I think it's because the niche focus on this place makes it so.
    Good observations.

    But if you dont move on there is no point to even be pissed . The world will not change if you dont move on .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    Good observations.

    But if you dont move on there is no point to even be pissed . The world will not change if you dont move on .
    And that right there is why I said what i did. True, one must eventually move on. That takes a lot of time.

    How much time is going to be given by those here to those (already here and those who may come) who need the time they need to move through what they have experienced? Moving on sounds wonderful, but this is not, and has not been a place where 'moving through' things is emphasized or really supported by anything other than - move on, get over, self improve. That's not a lot of help for men who are dealing with life altering/life shattering changes and the stress and depression and struggles that go along with those experiences.

    I have never been a 'rage' type person, but there is a lot of anger out there and telling people to get over it, move on is effortless. The pain of loss of 15+ years of marriage, of family estrangement, etc, can take years, and some aspects are always going to be with one, no matter how one has moved on form most of that. It can and does cycle back around, at certain times of years, special occasions. Again, moving through that can take years. If I had come here after just experiencing that, I would not have found a place I felt like I could be or that would allow me to talk, or discuss my experience, or how I felt.

    Sure, let's encourage self improvement, but just emphasizing moving on, and getting over it, and moving into a new phase...well, for most men, that takes time. They are dealing with anger, pain, depression, social changes, job issues, total life altering and illusion shattering lies and betrayals.

    Again, and in my opinion, this is not and has not been a place for those men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes View Post
    And that right there is why I said what i did. True, one must eventually move on. That takes a lot of time.

    How much time is going to be given by those here to those (already here and those who may come) who need the time they need to move through what they have experienced? Moving on sounds wonderful, but this is not, and has not been a place where 'moving through' things is emphasized or really supported by anything other than - move on, get over, self improve. That's not a lot of help for men who are dealing with life altering/life shattering changes and the stress and depression and struggles that go along with those experiences.

    I have never been a 'rage' type person, but there is a lot of anger out there and telling people to get over it, move on is effortless. The pain of loss of 15+ years of marriage, of family estrangement, etc, can take years, and some aspects are always going to be with one, no matter how one has moved on form most of that. It can and does cycle back around, at certain times of years, special occasions. Again, moving through that can take years. If I had come here after just experiencing that, I would not have found a place I felt like I could be or that would allow me to talk, or discuss my experience, or how I felt.

    Sure, let's encourage self improvement, but just emphasizing moving on, and getting over it, and moving into a new phase...well, for most men, that takes time. They are dealing with anger, pain, depression, social changes, job issues, total life altering and illusion shattering lies and betrayals.

    Again, and in my opinion, this is not and has not been a place for those men.
    Yes .

    People here are just trying to help . And as we all know the road to hell is built by people trying to help .

    We go right to the point cause we already are past all that was in the middle .

    Its like teaching a kid how to negotiate his future contract with the NFL before he can even walk .

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    While I am an advocate for self improvement to occupy men's time with some purpose I don't push it too much. This is because a lot of men have reached the zenith of life but had it taken all away. From their point of view they don't see the point of "improving anymore" when it was taking all away and they have already seen the sunrise from the top of that mountain. To them they prefer to tackle new adventures beyond self improving themselves. With that said, my focus of self improvement advocacy is really targeted toward younger men who do not have guidance, or a process on how to proceed once they learn the truth about this world. They have yet to reach that level of mastery in their field of work, social circle development or even experience and wisdom which comes from age.

    Like I have said before I don't really focus my topics on women but more so on gynocentrism, how to move beyond that point of anger through analysis, and then what it looks like to move beyond that point of frustration.

    It is a long and gradual process which is why a lot of men probably post in other forums to vent their anger to a wider audience when they discover what going your own way means. Now, if that makes the forum niche or not that depends on how you want to use the forums as a tool that compliments your current knowledge level.

    Overall, I have seen the forum pick up pace and slow down many times which I think is normal given how going your own way comes about in different ways.

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    Re: Ghost town

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Born MGTOW View Post
    That is somewhat true, we are beating a dead horse over and over again.
    I'm going to quote myself from an old post:

    I would suppose that, in theory, the ultimate MGTOW is the man who has transcended the conversation, who does not stick around to comment about his realizations, who no longer reacts to the mind-expanding effects of the red pill that he took. Having become sure-footed in his path, this quiet man is hard to identify, yet walks among us.

    If there is merit to that supposition, then those who educate about MGTOW, those who post online, say, are a bit like the porters of an underground railroad. They are not only doers but helpers, men who temporarily pause their own transcendence into invisibility long enough to reach out to other men, to confirm with them an actualization that is not facilitated by women.


    Temporarily pause, I wrote. So, I believe there is a time for any number of us to move on, having played our part to get the word out. I never looked at my participation in this forum as a permanent thing. We each decide if a time for us has come. Axfa, who today asked to be banned, may have reached his time, even if he may have left with a lament. Perhaps he is sure-footed enough to proceed without the forum but does not see it that way. From my point of view, I expect people to eventually leave, or maybe fade out and, later, fade back in. Or not. It's all good, as far as I'm concerned. I don't expect a MGTOW forum to require itself to grow and expand like a club or a business, adding on layers of this and that as time goes by, with the same cast of characters. It's not grow or die. What I expect it to be is the same truths repeated, but getting passed along by, and to, an ever-changing cast of members. As each member gets to where he thinks he has gotten as much out of this as he is going to get out of this, he moves on. Others take over.
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    Hi Unboxxed

    I would suppose that, in theory, the ultimate MGTOW is the man who has transcended the conversation, who does not stick around to comment about his realizations, who no longer reacts to the mind-expanding effects of the red pill that he took. Having become sure-footed in his path, this quiet man is hard to identify, yet walks among us.
    This resonates strongly with me. Many men out there arrive at this point and just go their way. It's understandable. As for the topic itself the "Ghost town" it's really strange. The topic is still kind of new. A couple of weeks later our brothers from MGTOW. com have brought some fresh air into this place which changed everything in a positive manner. They needed a home we needed some new stimulation. A win for everyone.
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    Re: Ghost town

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Born MGTOW View Post
    We are beating a dead horse over and over again.


    The same sentiment has been felt on other forums as well.

    Personally I am using my relocation to a new home as a chance to better myself.
    I want to give inspiration to others, show them a stress free life IS possible.

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    It is amazing how much this site has been transformed in barely a month. Back then, some of us truly felt that GYOW was at death’s door. But now, a flotilla of storm-tossed refuges have landed upon our sea-washed shore, and given us new life and hope. And while it’s a bit of a culture shock, they seem like men of excellent parts—both polite and respectful of our rules. And so, I bid them welcome, one and all.

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    Even though I kind of liked it with just the few of us, I'm really excited for the infusion of new members lately. It really livened the place up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangent View Post
    Even though I kind of liked it with just the few of us, I'm really excited for the infusion of new members lately. It really livened the place up.

    I like it...but the additional work is killing me!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangent View Post
    Even though I kind of liked it with just the few of us, I'm really excited for the infusion of new members lately. It really livened the place up.
    Yes it definitely did. I for one do welcome the influx of new members the forum has come to life. Never saw such amount of posts lately. It is a positive thing.

    @ Hello Mystic

    good to see you.
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    Re: Ghost town

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Rodent View Post
    It is amazing how much this site has been transformed in barely a month. Back then, some of us truly felt that GYOW was at death’s door. But now, a flotilla of storm-tossed refuges have landed upon our sea-washed shore, and given us new life and hope. And while it’s a bit of a culture shock, they seem like men of excellent parts—both polite and respectful of our rules. And so, I bid them welcome, one and all.

    Are you making a serious come-back for the second half then Mystic? Hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Rodent View Post
    It is amazing how much this site has been transformed in barely a month. Back then, some of us truly felt that GYOW was at death’s door. But now, a flotilla of storm-tossed refuges have landed upon our sea-washed shore, and given us new life and hope. And while it’s a bit of a culture shock, they seem like men of excellent parts—both polite and respectful of our rules. And so, I bid them welcome, one and all.
    Thank you, kind sir. When frog first posted this, many of us were over at mgtow.com were in despair too. We are very happy to be here and being welcomed with open arms makes it that much sweeter. Our group tends to be prolific posters. There was no leader behind this migration. It was very much spontaneous.

    Everyone do keep this in mind, whatever we write is being read by more men(and women) than you can imagine. We are making a huge positive impact. That is guaranteed.

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    It'll take time for us into fully "integrate" into this site, but with any "flood" that is to be expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes View Post
    I wasn't going to say anything initially about the 'Ghost Town' thing.

    Part of the problem - this place has made it clear that the anger and pain part of things is not really where the focus is. It doesn't want to see or hear that.

    So much here is about getting over it and there has been a lack of focus on anything other than 'get over it and move on' most of the time.

    Don't be angry. Don't feel that way. Do this and feel this way instead. Many men are not ready to move past anything, until they first move through all of it.

    One still must move through something before he can put it behind him. That can take time. Sometimes, a lot of time. It has never been my perception that GYOW was a place open to that part of things. GYOW has always been about the post anger, moving on, and a desire for 'improvement' aspect of things beyond the anger phase, and that's a more narrow niche for many guys going through things.

    I think its great you want to be there for others, and maybe those men are not posting but chatting or communicating in other ways, but anyway...if there is conjecture on why things are somewhat of a ghost town, I think it's because the niche focus on this place makes it so.
    In fairness, that was a principle largely shared on the other site as well. I think men often forget that everyone heals differently, in different stages, at different times and moves on when they're ready. However, it's important for one to make self reflection and recognize the internal work that comes with moving forward, and they themselves have to make efforts to do so. Hanging around in the shit vortex long enough can make it a comfortable familiarity to the point that one doesn't wish to move forward because of feared change. Even if it means self destructing in the process. I think as stated, going one's own way is in part different for everyone. I myself see myself finding little use for social media at all, and that the "NEED" for forum/social interaction is minimal at best. Whereas others still need constant interaction in whatever form. It's just where I'm at for myself. But everyone's needs are different.

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    Re: Ghost town

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Rodent View Post
    Back then, some of us truly felt that GYOW was at death’s door.
    I've become disenchanted with this site but not for reasons one might think. This site is broken in ways that makes it difficult for me to participate and I'm just to the point of giving up. For those website aficionados who may be interested in my explanation, here it is:

    After logging in, I always click on "Forum" then look at the "Latest Posts" which lists the latest 20 posts or so, then I select to read the ones in that list that seem of interest. I may comment in them, I may not. Commenting is conversing. For years, upon logging in, I would immediately be made aware if the Notifications tab in the upper right corner of my screen showed up in reverse video (in a black box) showing a short pulldown menu of "Likes Received" and/or "Reputations Received" since the time of my last log-in. I use those Notifications to remind myself which threads I had visited and had posted, to see if anyone replied to my comments. Again, conversing. To do this, I would click on the Likes in the pulldown menu and be taken to the same screen had I clicked on "My Profile" followed by clicking on the "Likes" tab there. There, each new Like was listed (even older ones, too), showing who did the Liking and which thread it was. This allowed me to see where people were conversing with me. It is important to note that if I did not log into the site for a long time, the upper right Notifications pulldown would still be there with its new notifications, waiting for me, for, oh I'd say, weeks or more. I could take a short break from the site and later come back to the site and the new Notifications would still be there in the little pulldown menu. A great system for me to stay engaged.

    Sometime within the last year, something changed. The Notifications no longer waited around. They now disappear (aged out?) in a very short time from the Profile/Likes tab. Without them, and as I am not one to memorize the titles of threads in which I have posted, to find anyone's conversation with me I am left to scan the "Latest Posts" all over again, hoping I recognize a thread title. This is not fun, looking aimlessly for anyone's conversation with me. For instance, my above Post #29 was made August 4th and I did not log back into the site until August 9, by then the Notifications pulldown menu indicated I had 7 Likes but when I click on this menu, the screen for MyProfile/Likes tab shows no Likes, nada, zippo, so I can't tell who and what thread it was. All 7 aged out in 5 days or less. They used to stick around for a lot longer than that.

    When this problem first started, I messaged the webmaster here but, IIRC, I got a reply saying that it would have to be referred to the designers of the software program that formats this site. In other words, it ain't gonna get fixed. And it still has not been fixed. I cannot log in every day or every two days just to stay ahead of this problem.

    The only reason I found THIS thread to see that Natural Born MGTOW had responded to me in Post #30 is by expanding the Forum "Latest Posts" list from 20 to 100, then scanned it and found "Ghosts" in the list about 80 posts down, took a guess that that was a thread in which I had posted, and voila here I am. I'm not going to do that each time I come here, to guess and poke around at which threads in which I had participated. There may be members who have asked me a question in a thread and I am unaware how to find this out.

    Now, you might wonder, Unboxxed why don't you just visit your own MyProfile and click on "My Activity" to see a list of topics where you had posted, and go from there?

    Well, that is broken, too. When I click on MyActivity, I get the posting activity of some other member of this forum, listed under my own username of Unboxxed! Tonight, for instance, under my username I see all posts for Natural Born MGTOW. Threads in which I had never posted. It's all his stuff under my username. Previously, it was some other user's stuff.

    So, I don't try hard around here anymore. This site is broken in ways that discourage my participation. Surely I am not the only person who has noticed these things.
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