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    Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    So there is a thing in our heads we call "BS detector". It gets triggered when we see "red flags". But what is a red flag if I have to explain it to someone who is willing and sane enough to atleast understand if not apply it immediately, say a purple pilled.

    I list some patterns here, which I classify as "red flags". Presence of any of those triggers my bs detector, I feel like that someone is trying to manipulate me. This can be with anything or any interaction, not necessarily with women. I have experienced these since childhood, and lots of it comes from my teenage years :

    - Most people assume I want X
    X can be anything, women, marriage, sex, whatever. And whatever they say to me when giving advice revolves around that fact. And the moment you interrupt them and say you are not interested in X or explicitly dont want X, they will blue screen. And then they will start spewing nonsense like "that is unhealthy !" or "why are you thinking like that ?!?!", etc etc.

    - Asked to do X without any explanation
    Sometimes its okay and understandable, you are expected to follow whats been told to you by someone more experienced and there is little time for detailed explanation. That is FINE. But I believe, eventually, later in time, you must be able to explain why. Its my belief that its not sufficient to just be right, you gotta know WHY you are right and why the other choices arent. Because if you dont, then you are either a blind fundamentalist and/or vulnerable to manipulation by persuasion or any other social engineering technique. I am not saying its a good idea to be a teenager jerk and question everything out of pure shitty attitude, I am talking about the situation where, teenager or not, gave it an honest thought, came up with arguments and counter arguments, and politely wanted to discuss. And at this point, if the answer from the other person is "thats how we always did it" or "you wont understand it", and it continues for YEARS, well past teenage years, then something somewhere smells wrong to me. Not saying its necessarily wrong, but its just uncomfortable enough to be called a "red flag".

    - You are expected to behave in an exact specified manner, when it is your private/personal issue
    This can be best explained by an example : your free time. Your free time should be yours and as long as you dont indulge in destructive (to self or to others) activities, you should be allowed a certain leeway/freedom in what you choose to do. But any activity you do which deviates from a very strict set of "normal" will make everyone else uncomfortable, "why are you not doing X, all other kids do it !!". This is different from previous point because here, the activity X may have very clear benefit, its just that I dont want to do it, its my free time after all. And this brings to my last issue, which is very related.

    - The "free time" is a mirage
    "Do this in your free time", "These things are to be done in free time".... except that free time never happens. There is ALWAYS something to do which is expected from you, like you are in a full time job with compulsory overtime. I believe some free time is necessary, even if once in a while that time is required to just stop, sit down on a bench alone and contemplate over things. This I believe makes you take a look at your life from the outside, you discover unique solutions to problems which you werent able to think when you were tangled in the day to day mess of regular life. And then if someone discovers you and tells you "WHY ARE YOU SITTING HERE ALONE ?!?!?" ... yeah right, I committed a crime, I actually found some time to breathe...

    So just curious, what other things you guys can add (or maybe something you dont agree with what I wrote) ?
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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    First of all sir, thank you for the interesting post.

    I will respond one by one.

    I list some patterns here, which I classify as "red flags". Presence of any of those triggers my bs detector, I feel like that someone is trying to manipulate me. This can be with anything or any interaction, not necessarily with women. I have experienced these since childhood, and lots of it comes from my teenage years :
    This is highly likely to be coming from the mother (or whoever your caretaker was). My mother brainwashed me big time with regards to women. They give you all the wrong 'advise' on purpose to mislead you, or because they simply don't care about your future. Whereas, they teach their daughters how to milk high status men.

    X can be anything, women, marriage, sex, whatever. And whatever they say to me when giving advice revolves around that fact. And the moment you interrupt them and say you are not interested in X or explicitly dont want X, they will blue screen. And then they will start spewing nonsense like "that is unhealthy !" or "why are you thinking like that ?!?!", etc etc.
    why are you thinking like that? is slightly better than outright 'that is unhealthy'. But the purpose is the same, to get you back into the plantation. They know that you know their game, and so they need to more sophisticated ways to trap you back instead of shame. I get it all the time. 'women are not that bad', 'why don't you just say hello to a woman' 'why don't you just buy yourself a nice suit?'.

    You see, from this angle, they aren't really lying because women do like men who dress well and who are confident and outgoing; but the manipulation comes when they trick you into thinking you actually have a chance as a below average beta (like me). And if you are part of 95% + of men in this world, or in your vicinity (country, city, nation) then you are by default considered below average.

    - Asked to do X without any explanation
    Sometimes its okay and understandable, you are expected to follow whats been told to you by someone more experienced and there is little time for detailed explanation. That is FINE. But I believe, eventually, later in time, you must be able to explain why. Its my belief that its not sufficient to just be right, you gotta know WHY you are right and why the other choices arent. Because if you dont, then you are either a blind fundamentalist and/or vulnerable to manipulation by persuasion or any other social engineering technique. I am not saying its a good idea to be a teenager jerk and question everything out of pure shitty attitude, I am talking about the situation where, teenager or not, gave it an honest thought, came up with arguments and counter arguments, and politely wanted to discuss. And at this point, if the answer from the other person is "thats how we always did it" or "you wont understand it", and it continues for YEARS, well past teenage years, then something somewhere smells wrong to me. Not saying its necessarily wrong, but its just uncomfortable enough to be called a "red flag".
    This is where it gets quite sophisticated because many people (including male friend believe it or not) say something along the lines 'you are resisting', just 'let go' which is fair enough but as you say, you need to have a good reason to 'let go' and accept a new idea. You cannot just wake up and change your personality overnight.

    What I usually end up doing is further asking questions. I was with a 'friend' and said to him 'don't you think that in the case of a man going on a date with a woman, who he is flirting with and generally having a good time ends up refusing him means that a man in this particular situation is in weaker power dynamic?'.... i.e the man initiates convo, initiates date/time to meet, usually pays for the drinks and dinner and the taxi ride back home... and the women in the end has the final say yes or no.

    He was a little baffled but questioned further, 'okay but how does this benefit women?'... I was baffled, and I said 'the free dinner, drinks, taxi ride'.... is that not a benefit!!!???

    The he just said 'well whatever I say, you won't accept so just forget it!'.

    This is why we as MGTOW, as AUTHENTIC MGTOW, who are proud & free men, MUST NOT ALLOW anyone to simple make ridiculous claims on this very forum. A MGTOW is a man who pursues TRUTH, he asks, he inquires and he critiques and dialogues back and forth. If the other party get impatient, this is a red flag, or says something banal like my 'friend' in the aforementioned example, then you know they are being manipulative one way or the other; or simply don't care for the truth.

    - You are expected to behave in an exact specified manner, when it is your private/personal issue
    This can be best explained by an example : your free time. Your free time should be yours and as long as you dont indulge in destructive (to self or to others) activities, you should be allowed a certain leeway/freedom in what you choose to do. But any activity you do which deviates from a very strict set of "normal" will make everyone else uncomfortable, "why are you not doing X, all other kids do it !!". This is different from previous point because here, the activity X may have very clear benefit, its just that I dont want to do it, its my free time after all. And this brings to my last issue, which is very related.
    Very nice point.
    This pertains to the gynocentric narrative. They want you to follow a script so they benefit from your hard work.
    e.g 'a man pays first', 'a man initiates the conversation', a 'man helps a woman out with her luggage'.

    Too much free time might make you contemplate. 'why should I help out some bitch?' 'why the fuck should I break my back doing some heavy lifting for a cunt?' AND TRUST ME, the overwhelming majority of people are fucking scared of this! Everyone wants you to feel guilty when you live solely for yourself!

    We even had some useless blue pillers coming on this forum and saying shit like 'let's not lose our humanity' 'let's not make it a gender war'. But they wouldn't say the same shit to the whammins. (another well spotted red flag)

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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    If it has a cunt, thatís a automatic red flag, Iíll post a photo of one below for an example in case anybody is confused as to what I mean.

    Okay, how many red flags are in the photo below?



    If you said 9 then you answered correctly. There is 9 cunts so there are 9 flags minimum, probably more if you include hair color ect, but there are 9 cunts in that photo, thatís a automatic 9 flags by default.
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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    First of all sir, thank you for the interesting post.
    And thank you too and all the people on this forum. As a relatively young MGTOW, its very interesting and informative to interact with people more experienced in this lifestyle !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    This is highly likely to be coming from the mother (or whoever your caretaker was).
    In the middle class Indian society, it comes from everywhere ! This society is a very very messy mixture Indian tradition and western influence. The tradition, with all its flaws (heaps of blue pills), still gets some things right, similar to Christian traditionalism. But whatever its holding, is going to erode fast, the modern western culture, and not the good parts of western culture, just the bad ones, is an approaching tsunami...

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    This is why we as MGTOW, as AUTHENTIC MGTOW, who are proud & free men, MUST NOT ALLOW anyone to simple make ridiculous claims on this very forum. A MGTOW is a man who pursues TRUTH, he asks, he inquires and he critiques and dialogues back and forth. If the other party get impatient, this is a red flag, or says something banal like my 'friend' in the aforementioned example, then you know they are being manipulative one way or the other; or simply don't care for the truth.
    This kind of back and forth critique is "too much work" for them. One of my friends was asking me "If you never intend to involve women in your life, then why all this matters ? Whats the point of this discussion ?". They just cant get away from women at any point. If I said or mentioned women in something, it has to do entirely with women... and the rest of the arguments just fade away. That question, and other similar questions, are not questions. They dont want you to answer, they just want you to feel bad for wasting their time which could've been better spent orbiting around women. Its simply a cheap ridicule.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    We even had some useless blue pillers coming on this forum and saying shit like 'let's not lose our humanity' 'let's not make it a gender war'
    Oh I have my favorite reply to this one. I tell them "They fired first, if you try to stop us from responding, you are AN ENEMY, so get the f outta my face !!!". Its a little bit harsh, that person may not be the enemy, just some misguided simp... but sometimes with their simp statements, I get mad !
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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    Quote Originally Posted by #Redpillbible View Post
    If it has a cunt, that’s a automatic red flag, I’ll post a photo of one below for an example in case anybody is confused as to what I mean.

    Okay, how many red flags are in the photo below?

    ...

    If you said 9 then you answered correctly. There is 9 cunts so there are 9 flags minimum, probably more if you include hair color ect, but there are 9 cunts in that photo, that’s a automatic 9 flags by default.
    Whoa !! They are all UGLY !!
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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    Quote Originally Posted by #Redpillbible View Post
    If it has a cunt, that’s a automatic red flag, I’ll post a photo of one below for an example in case anybody is confused as to what I mean.

    Okay, how many red flags are in the photo below?



    If you said 9 then you answered correctly. There is 9 cunts so there are 9 flags minimum, probably more if you include hair color ect, but there are 9 cunts in that photo, that’s a automatic 9 flags by default.
    I have to admit, I find that ginger cunt insanely hot.
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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    Is that one of those "one from every country" photos? I think I can see a couple middle-Eastern countries, India, Ireland, Scotland, Russia, Eastern Europe (I mean formerly CCCP, e.g. Ukraine), and a couple others. The one front and center must be the American because she looks drunk, or maybe something's going on with the hands that aren't visible. Tough to say for sure.

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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    One thing I have always found very effective as a response to browbeating, bullying, high-pressure tactics of any sort... Is the simple question:

    What is so important TO YOU, about me doing X?

    That almost always leads to stuttering, back-pedaling, aggression... People are knocked off balance, hard, when their motives are directly questioned like that. Sometimes they have a good answer, a real explanation... which leads to an honest discussion.

    Often though, they toss out some flimsy rationalization (usually involving a guilt-trip or "for your own good") and go straight back to the hard-sell. So you hit them with the follow-up question:

    If it's so important, why don't YOU do it? This is a nasty one, cause then they gotta start defending themselves whole-hog. The answer is usually something along of the lines of "that's different"... because ofcourse it's different when it's being applied to -them-!!! LOL...

    By now, they have usually shut the fuck up, but you can always rely on the old stand-by:

    So you gonna pay for all of this? Once you bring their money into it, they shut up real quick.
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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    Fixed !!!

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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Fixed !!!

    lol aint that the truth, fucking parasites...

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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    So just curious, what other things you guys can add?
    When a woman who is not my boss asks me to do anything at all.

    One of the favourite tricks that women like to pull is to get you to agree to open-ended commitments. "Oh, could you just mind this for me for a minute"? If you are callow enough to say "sure!", three quarts of an hour later you'll notice that she's swanning around, socialising, chatting, and leaving you stuck like a chump with her handbag or whatever. In general - never agree to hold a woman's handbag for her.

    One way to prevent this is "how long is a minute?", but that won't work out. You then have to ask "what do I do with this handbag if you are longer?", which is just asking for an argument. The correct method is "No.". Soften it if you like with a "sorry", but don't forget the important bit, which is "no".

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    Re: Generic "Red Flags" in the matrix

    Quote Originally Posted by devilcomeknockin View Post
    One thing I have always found very effective as a response to browbeating, bullying, high-pressure tactics of any sort... Is the simple question:

    What is so important TO YOU, about me doing X?

    That almost always leads to stuttering, back-pedaling, aggression... People are knocked off balance, hard, when their motives are directly questioned like that. Sometimes they have a good answer, a real explanation... which leads to an honest discussion.

    Often though, they toss out some flimsy rationalization (usually involving a guilt-trip or "for your own good") and go straight back to the hard-sell. So you hit them with the follow-up question:

    If it's so important, why don't YOU do it? This is a nasty one, cause then they gotta start defending themselves whole-hog. The answer is usually something along of the lines of "that's different"... because ofcourse it's different when it's being applied to -them-!!! LOL...

    By now, they have usually shut the fuck up, but you can always rely on the old stand-by:

    So you gonna pay for all of this? Once you bring their money into it, they shut up real quick.
    The kind of people who do this sort of thing, almost never end up being in my "social circle"... which is a single digit number INCLUDING all family members I interact regularly with . This does happen though if some relative other than immediate family, visits us (this is common in India, dont know about other countries). In this case though, they are often temporary guests and its better to just "uh-huh okay..." them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    When a woman who is not my boss asks me to do anything at all.

    One of the favourite tricks that women like to pull is to get you to agree to open-ended commitments. "Oh, could you just mind this for me for a minute"? If you are callow enough to say "sure!", three quarts of an hour later you'll notice that she's swanning around, socialising, chatting, and leaving you stuck like a chump with her handbag or whatever. In general - never agree to hold a woman's handbag for her.

    One way to prevent this is "how long is a minute?", but that won't work out. You then have to ask "what do I do with this handbag if you are longer?", which is just asking for an argument. The correct method is "No.". Soften it if you like with a "sorry", but don't forget the important bit, which is "no".
    I've always been a little bit on confrontational and argumentative side when talking to women who are acquaintances, so they generally avoid asking me for random favors, they will get a "WAT ?!?! FK NO !!!" ... no softening, no nothing ... and they sense it !!!

    But yeah it does happen with random stranger women, where "I am sorry, I cant" works. Sometimes they will stare with utter amazement for a second or two, but after that they back off.
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