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    Re: What was your father like?

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    an honorable man, no doubts. My ex girlfriends - they were very trobuled chicks - used to criticise the tight cohesion that exists inside my family. They would get mad with meaningless things and say that I'm some sort of momma's boy, as their families, on the other hand, were always broken. I sort of see that now, that I have to be greateful these days. But I notice that he handles mother quite well, responding in absolute silence when her "women issues" speak too loud. But she is a good mother too. If they pass before me, the grief will be very painfull.
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    Re: What was your father like?

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    Everybody else just cant resist nagging you. I've watched friends get it bad sometimes.
    Oh Frog! Brother.....you have no idea. I am currently at that stage. People constantly use kids against me and even after my bitter and brutal marriage, I get the NAWALT and they want me to marry again.

    But on the other hand when I compliment an attractive woman then its the "she is outta your league". But a single mother with 4 kids who lives off welfare and child support that always wants to go to a bar is top notch to them. Good Lord.........

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    Re: What was your father like?

    To be fair, fathers aren't much better. They don't wash their boys with fairy tales, but they don't give much of a damn either. My father never really cared, no advise, no guidance; he was emotionally distant and put up with a lot of shit from my mother.

    Probably why I turned out to be over-reactive and over-sensitive. This can happen in a household where women take charge and the father takes a more passive role.

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    Re: What was your father like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    To be fair, fathers aren't much better. They don't wash their boys with fairy tales, but they don't give much of a damn either. My father never really cared, no advise, no guidance; he was emotionally distant and put up with a lot of shit from my mother.

    Probably why I turned out to be over-reactive and over-sensitive. This can happen in a household where women take charge and the father takes a more passive role.
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    Re: What was your father like?

    Well my dad died a bit more tham ten years ago of cancer. He was raised in a single mother household because my grandfather (his father) died in WW2, like millions of other young men so he had no father figure to learn stuff. He did it by trial and error on his own. He had 2 younger brothers and him being the eldest forced him to face a reality as a young kid that is completely unknown to me.

    He was a bluepiller and when the relation with my mother deteriorated he found a "safe" habor in drinking. When he was drunk he was really cringe worthy.

    He loved me and my two sisters but when he drank no one liked him. He suffered from the fact that his marriage was dying and he fled in alcohol even more. I personally believe that my mom cut off intimacy at a certain point and I can't blame her for that. My dad digged his own grave when he started drinking

    My mom told me that the years before his death they were fighting constantly. It must have been real hell for both of 'em. My father cried when he died in the arms of my mother so I have been told because I wasn't present when he died. I was also told that he asked my mom for forgiveness and then passed away.

    With that being said I want to conclude that my parents didn't fail me in no way. I grew up in an intact family for which I'm grateful. The problems started to surface when my sisters and me grew up and we left the home of our parents.
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    Re: What was your father like?

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    Well my dad died a bit more tham ten years ago of cancer. He was raised in a single mother household because my grandfather (his father) died in WW2, like millions of other young men so he had no father figure to learn stuff. He did it by trial and error on his own. He had 2 younger brothers and him being the eldest forced him to face a reality as a young kid that is completely unknown to me.

    He was a bluepiller and when the relation with my mother deteriorated he found a "safe" habor in drinking. When he was drunk he was really cringe worthy.

    He loved me and my two sisters but when he drank no one liked him. He suffered from the fact that his marriage was dying and he fled in alcohol even more. I personally believe that my mom cut off intimacy at a certain point and I can't blame her for that. My dad digged his own grave when he started drinking

    My mom told me that the years before his death they were fighting constantly. It must have been real hell for both of 'em. My father cried when he died in the arms of my mother so I have been told because I wasn't present when he died. I was also told that he asked my mom for forgiveness and then passed away.

    With that being said I want to conclude that my parents didn't fail me in no way. I grew up in an intact family for which I'm grateful. The problems started to surface when my sisters and me grew up and we left the home of our parents.
    The family life if concentrated in a hour and a half movie would be the nastiest horror movie ever made

    My parents fought every minute they were in the vicinity of each other all my life . And keep doing it .

    Thats why i am not normal . I can see through walls of things to come . When i used to card gable in my late teens i almost literally could see my opponents cards , well not see but i felt them . Maybe because i dealt them i dont know
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    Re: What was your father like?

    Well my father is still alive so I will refer to him in the present tense. Anyway he is a good man and did a reasonably good job of raising me and my siblings. His first marriage was to an absolutely terrible harpy who weaponized her kids against him. He married her mostly out of ignorance given he was a first generation immigrant. After this awful bitch tortured him for 10 years they divorced, he eventually met my mom. They had a kid and eventually separated. While separated he had another kid, then my mom took him back and had me.

    When he was younger he was basically the man when it came to attracting women (I think that trait skipped a generation though ;p). But it caught up with him as he had to pay for a grand total of 5 kids. It didn't stop him from achieving his dreams as he is probably one of the smartest men I know. While working full time in education he had his own private business on the side which matured nicely along with his other investments. For some insane reason, whatever adversity he faced he would overcome that shit like it was a joke. Whether it was a lawsuit, insurance fuckup, surprise city inspections whatever, he always came out on top.

    Even though he retired about 15 years ago, he works every day on his private business. It doesn't matter if its physical work or office stuff, he's consistent in getting shit done. Once back home he's doing shit around the house or hitting the gym. He legit looks 20 years younger than he is suppose to. He doesn't even walk or move like an old man, he's pretty solid.

    Now he's not perfect. He's computer illiterate, is kinda grumpy and a little left wing. He also likes to treat me as if I'm still a teenager even though I'm in my 30's. But shit man my dad is my hero. Without him I would not be half the man I am today.

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    Re: What was your father like?

    For me this thread has become a good example of "be careful what you wish for." I'm truly humbled by both the small and the large dirty deeds you've endured. And your not serial killers either. Imagine that.

    I guess our fathers rate higher than our mothers, but only because our moms won the race to the bottom. Oh well, at least some of us had good dads.

    Most of my friends fathers were like Opaque's, not really there. When a guy turned sixteen he'd got a job pumping gas or bagging groceries. Then he'd get some old junker and as long as he finished school and kept out of serious trouble, he was pretty much on his own two years early. Not me though, the old man watched me like a hawk from when I was born till the day he died. I wasn't grown up enough at sixteen anyway, so it was no big deal.
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    Re: What was your father like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    To be fair, fathers aren't much better. They don't wash their boys with fairy tales, but they don't give much of a damn either. My father never really cared, no advise, no guidance; he was emotionally distant and put up with a lot of shit from my mother.

    Probably why I turned out to be over-reactive and over-sensitive. This can happen in a household where women take charge and the father takes a more passive role.
    I can relate. But I was more passive. I was raised to stand up for myself but avoid conflict if that makes sense. In other words, It was okay for me to be told to stand up for myself but when I did it then I was in trouble. If the conflict involved a female then forget it. I lost before anything even started. Nobody took my side.

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    Re: What was your father like?

    Quote Originally Posted by samael View Post
    an honorable man, no doubts. My ex girlfriends - they were very trobuled chicks - used to criticise the tight cohesion that exists inside my family. They would get mad with meaningless things and say that I'm some sort of momma's boy, as their families, on the other hand, were always broken. I sort of see that now, that I have to be greateful these days. But I notice that he handles mother quite well, responding in absolute silence when her "women issues" speak too loud. But she is a good mother too. If they pass before me, the grief will be very painfull.
    Thats so rare . I personally literally do not believe you .

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    Re: What was your father like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Target View Post
    Well my father is still alive so I will refer to him in the present tense. Anyway he is a good man and did a reasonably good job of raising me and my siblings. His first marriage was to an absolutely terrible harpy who weaponized her kids against him. He married her mostly out of ignorance given he was a first generation immigrant. After this awful bitch tortured him for 10 years they divorced, he eventually met my mom. They had a kid and eventually separated. While separated he had another kid, then my mom took him back and had me.

    When he was younger he was basically the man when it came to attracting women (I think that trait skipped a generation though ;p). But it caught up with him as he had to pay for a grand total of 5 kids. It didn't stop him from achieving his dreams as he is probably one of the smartest men I know. While working full time in education he had his own private business on the side which matured nicely along with his other investments. For some insane reason, whatever adversity he faced he would overcome that shit like it was a joke. Whether it was a lawsuit, insurance fuckup, surprise city inspections whatever, he always came out on top.

    Even though he retired about 15 years ago, he works every day on his private business. It doesn't matter if its physical work or office stuff, he's consistent in getting shit done. Once back home he's doing shit around the house or hitting the gym. He legit looks 20 years younger than he is suppose to. He doesn't even walk or move like an old man, he's pretty solid.

    Now he's not perfect. He's computer illiterate, is kinda grumpy and a little left wing. He also likes to treat me as if I'm still a teenager even though I'm in my 30's. But shit man my dad is my hero. Without him I would not be half the man I am today.
    In his age 30 is a teenager in his early fucking teens
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    Re: What was your father like?

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post

    I guess our fathers rate higher than our mothers, but only because our moms won the race to the bottom. Oh well, at least some of us had good dads.
    I love my mom but I am so pissed off at her for brainwashing me.

    She always raised me to be nice to women no matter. If a woman was stabbing me and I kicked the knife out of her hand then I was the wrong one. Never hit a female no matter what. There would be no "Mom!! Im fucking bleeding to death! She punctured my liver!!!!"

    Always take a female out. In other words give and give! But I look back and think of her. She cheated on my dad. None of those guys ever took her out to dinner. Only took her out to bang her. My father was rarely home cause he was a merchant marine. But when he came home, there was nothing but constant yelling & fighting. He was a great provider without a doubt. But he let the old lady push him around and take advantage of him.

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    Re: What was your father like?

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    I love my mom but I am so pissed off at her for brainwashing me.

    Unlike most of us, I had a good mom that deserved our love. Was I ever lucky.

    Nagging though, is hard for me to understand. For one thing, it seldom gets you the outcome your looking for. I got showed this at an early age.

    I was a kid, winter was coming and I wanted a sled. Not a completely unreasonable request, but truth is, most of our snow is in the surrounding hills, with the town not getting that much. That sled would of hung on the garage wall most of the time. But I was eight, what did I know?

    Instead of saving my allowance and looking for odd jobs, I srarted working on the old man. I thought things were ok till the day I came home from school and put my hand on the doorknob. Then I heard the old man at the kitchen table say " if he asks for a sled one more time I'm going to..." Instead of making myself scarce I stupidly opened the door. Dad started talking about something else and all three of us pretended I didn't hear anything. Needless to say he heard no more about a sled! The old bastard had actually done me a favor though I would have to grow up before realizing it.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    Re: What was your father like?

    My father was my best friend, witty, intelligent, crafty, and all around brighter than most. I lost him a few months ago and the emptiness is real, he's missed by everyone that knew him (except a few assholes, but they don't matter anyway).

    I would not be where I am, or who I am, if not for him, he made our lives better and left the world a better place than when he found it. I was blessed to know such a man.

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    Re: What was your father like?

    Its a tough one to answer and I really don't know. I know me (and thats more than most folks know of themselves) and they say "The apple never falls far from the tree" so perhaps, know yourself and know your father maybe?...I don't know.

    I'm not going to judge what was a different society in a different age that had seen so many technological and social changes since the war but who were still in the midst of a tech revolution since it wouldn't seem fair to do so.

    I was left alone to self-develop but in what seemed to be idyllic environment (British Cotswolds) however, in maturity it transpires that the same cunts, thieves, psychos, sociopaths and perverts were still a-prowling but they'd not touch the policemans son....a blessing.

    He was a drinker, a shagger (womaniser), a gambler but also a thinker and a realist. He tried to make sure my brothers and sisters were educated and could defend ourselves so its not easy to see what more it could be given the era, social attitudes and knowledge of the time.

    One of the toughest lessons in life is that one has to take responsibility for developing themselves, learning 'how to learn' and how to detect and avoid bullshit and self-deception so its really hard to pin that onto someone else even if it was ones dad.

    I don't know.

    He left when I was 8 or 9 so there was some...stuff, but now? not so much.

    I think he still tried. In the 1980's he wrote that he thought I should learn business sense and put every effort into real-estate so there's a bit of fore-sight...duly ignored by yours-truly.

    Also there was http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...xplained-7648/ but not much else.

    I don't know, I cannot judge.

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    Re: What was your father like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    In his age 30 is a teenager in his early fucking teens
    Well shit I guess relative to a guy in his mid 70's I am pretty young.

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    Re: What was your father like?

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    I can relate. But I was more passive. I was raised to stand up for myself but avoid conflict if that makes sense. In other words, It was okay for me to be told to stand up for myself but when I did it then I was in trouble. If the conflict involved a female then forget it. I lost before anything even started. Nobody took my side.
    All this. Though I was often told that I needed to stand-up to people, and to "toughen up", any situation in which I did so was violently punished, both physically and emotionally. My brother did the former, and my mom the latter. Neither of them understand or take any responsibility for this. In their minds, violence has no consequences if it doesn't happen to them. Jerks.
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    Re: What was your father like?

    Interesting thread.

    My father divorced my mother and married his mistress when I was about 15. I don't remember him ever speaking a kind word to me after then, but he apparently tolerated me for the sake of public appearances. When I was finishing school and living in his house to save expenses, I signed up for the military (USMC) to start serving after graduation. He'd never mentioned working for him or anything, but he came home that day and told me to move out. We never spoke again (more than thirty years), and he died a few years ago. I was a better father to my kids than he was to me. I eclipsed his accomplishments by far. I don't miss him. I don't allow toxic people in my life.
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