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    The fall of the west

    So most of us MGTOW sense that western society is in decline. Let's go over the reasons.
    1st is feminism which is aided by the capitalist elite.

    Aided also by the abandonment of Christian morals. Weather u believe in God is another topic. Fact is in the Christian morals which western societies were formed on women were forced to remain faithful. She'd be stoned to death if she monkey branched.

    Another reason is nuclear weapons.
    Man has always been in war for land and resources. So there was always a surplus supply of women. But since WW2 there has been no direct wars involving the big nations. Why? MAD. Mutual Assured Destruction.
    Basically means once u push the button u destroy both Russia and America.
    Every nuclear country knows this even Nth Korea.
    So now there is a huge surplus of men. The world has never been so peaceful.

    I remember I almost joined the army in my 20s. Why? I don't know. I just had the urge to fight in a war and despised this peaceful state were in now. Is that weird or wat.

    So wat does this mean. It's almost like the fall of Rome. They said Rome ruled the world but women ruled Rome in its final generations. They also dropped marriage and allowed promiscuous women to be sluts. The birth rate dropped. The famous Roman Legions which were so reveared got smaller and smaller. Meanwhile the northern tribes kept procreating and built big armies like the Goths, Francs and Vandals which eventually sacked Rome.

    We are Rome. The tribe that will one day take the west is Islam I think. It may take another 100 years but look at how they keep their women, no chance of a feminist revolution. Look at how many kids they have.
    Eventually their armies will be spread world wide. They will take America and Europe including Russia sorry Alik. They will aquire the nuclear arsenal. China will be the only society that will not be taken. Maybe India as well.

    The bonobo monkeys are a good example of a matriarchal society. Their so weak only a tiny society of them remain. Their at the mercy of the chimp patriarchal armies

    Interested to hear how people think it's gonna happen. I know this won't interest everyone but I know there are some political, social and philosophical minds here. Will it be like a sudden burst of the bubble?
    Will be have the pleasure of witnessing it?

    Interesting description on civilization which is quite accurate I think. There's 4 parts
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    MGTOW chanel gives his description on how societies which I like
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    A description on how transgener mania is a sign of collapse in society by former feminist Camille Paglia who I think is bisexual ironically.
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    Re: The fall of the west

    I think you're spot on with your prediction that Islam will conquer the western world that (ridiculously and wrongly) calls itself "Christian." But I believe it'll be a "soft" invasion and a "soft" takeover. By that I mean no armies, but massive civilian influxes over many decades. Once that population establishes a comfortable representative majority, law enforcement and the court system are going to look a lot different than they do now. There will be good and bad sides to that. Part of me wishes I could be around to see it. Part of me is grateful that I won't.

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    Re: The fall of the west

    They can certainly *try* to enforce their garbage on me, but they'll leave in a bodybag.
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    Or leave you in one. But that solves the problem as well. At this point in time I wouldn't care either way. It's the thots that'd be put to the sword, not me. And I am seriously beginning to doubt how much more or less "Free" I would be in a theocracy at this point. I sure as hell will not be signing up to defend the "freedom" of my "nation", such as it is. And that, I think, will be the true downfall. The lack of a common ground among the western population - if a determined enemy (Russia? Mideast?) invades, defense response will be lackluster due to a complete lack of morale.
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    Well you know what they say. Better to die like a man than to live like a dog. I will never bow to some stoneage pedo desert deathcult.
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    Re: The fall of the west

    I just hope, when I go, I'm knee deep in brass.
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    Re: The fall of the west

    OK, we're broke. But the US is still unbelievably wealthy compared to most places.


    If we were to use that wealth wisely, it would at least lessen the crash. Maybe stop it, but that's not likely. But it would be a lot better than having the big boys playing Monopoly with the whole damn country like we do now.
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    Re: The fall of the west

    Naah, they won't take Russia. Russia and eastern Europe have been dealing with Isamic adventurism for about as long as Islam has been a thing. They know.

    You know Vlad the Impaler? Interesting story. He was sent to the Ottomans as a hostage as a boy - spent his boyhood and young adolescence there. The people who he impaled later in life were the vanguard an invading muslim army. All along the roads, muslims on pikes. It worked - the rest of the army were spooked and turned back.

    (Bit of a double meaning there, I suspect. A man who had spent his youth as a prisoner of the Ottomans paid them back with pikes up the ass. Apparently, he also impaled a couple of monks. Are we detecting a pattern, here?)

    The point being: these people have been fighting invading muslims for a long, long time.

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    Re: The fall of the west

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    I think you're spot on with your prediction that Islam will conquer the western world that (ridiculously and wrongly) calls itself "Christian." But I believe it'll be a "soft" invasion and a "soft" takeover. By that I mean no armies, but massive civilian influxes over many decades. Once that population establishes a comfortable representative majority, law enforcement and the court system are going to look a lot different than they do now. There will be good and bad sides to that. Part of me wishes I could be around to see it. Part of me is grateful that I won't.
    Makes me wonder how non-Christians feel about that, generally. Also makes me wonder how some atheists feel about that, specifically, those who have a known animosity towards Christians/Christianity, to have their, uh, favorite annoyance replaced by a different one? Are these atheists facilitating a changeover if only by sharing a common desire with Islam that Christianity must go?
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    Re: The fall of the west

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkncheese View Post
    So most of us MGTOW sense that western society is in decline. Let's go over the reasons.
    1st is feminism which is aided by the capitalist elite.

    Aided also by the abandonment of Christian morals. Weather u believe in God is another topic. Fact is in the Christian morals which western societies were formed on women were forced to remain faithful. She'd be stoned to death if she monkey branched.

    Another reason is nuclear weapons.
    Man has always been in war for land and resources. So there was always a surplus supply of women. But since WW2 there has been no direct wars involving the big nations. Why? MAD. Mutual Assured Destruction.
    Basically means once u push the button u destroy both Russia and America.
    Every nuclear country knows this even Nth Korea.
    So now there is a huge surplus of men. The world has never been so peaceful.

    I remember I almost joined the army in my 20s. Why? I don't know. I just had the urge to fight in a war and despised this peaceful state were in now. Is that weird or wat.

    So wat does this mean. It's almost like the fall of Rome. They said Rome ruled the world but women ruled Rome in its final generations. They also dropped marriage and allowed promiscuous women to be sluts. The birth rate dropped. The famous Roman Legions which were so reveared got smaller and smaller. Meanwhile the northern tribes kept procreating and built big armies like the Goths, Francs and Vandals which eventually sacked Rome.

    We are Rome. The tribe that will one day take the west is Islam I think. It may take another 100 years but look at how they keep their women, no chance of a feminist revolution. Look at how many kids they have.
    Eventually their armies will be spread world wide. They will take America and Europe including Russia sorry Alik. They will aquire the nuclear arsenal. China will be the only society that will not be taken. Maybe India as well.

    The bonobo monkeys are a good example of a matriarchal society. Their so weak only a tiny society of them remain. Their at the mercy of the chimp patriarchal armies

    Interested to hear how people think it's gonna happen. I know this won't interest everyone but I know there are some political, social and philosophical minds here. Will it be like a sudden burst of the bubble?
    Will be have the pleasure of witnessing it?

    Interesting description on civilization which is quite accurate I think. There's 4 parts
    https://youtu.be/b4-Od8cq5Gk

    MGTOW chanel gives his description on how societies which I like
    https://youtu.be/xiMmVVdOTak

    A description on how transgener mania is a sign of collapse in society by former feminist Camille Paglia who I think is bisexual ironically.
    https://youtu.be/I8BRdwgPChQ

    Damn wrote a book. Ah well. LoL
    Thanks!You are spot on! I saw a video, from Stefan Molyneux,taking about this topics few years ago.He drew parallels with todays western society, and Rome in its heyday.He is a very smart guy, and a great philosopher.Rome may have been one of the biggest/greatest empires pf all time, but all things, has an end,So will western society.

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    Re: The fall of the west

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Naah, they won't take Russia. Russia and eastern Europe have been dealing with Isamic adventurism for about as long as Islam has been a thing. They know.

    You know Vlad the Impaler? Interesting story. He was sent to the Ottomans as a hostage as a boy - spent his boyhood and young adolescence there. The people who he impaled later in life were the vanguard an invading muslim army. All along the roads, muslims on pikes. It worked - the rest of the army were spooked and turned back.

    (Bit of a double meaning there, I suspect. A man who had spent his youth as a prisoner of the Ottomans paid them back with pikes up the ass. Apparently, he also impaled a couple of monks. Are we detecting a pattern, here?)

    The point being: these people have been fighting invading muslims for a long, long time.
    The charming lad is my avatar. Vlad the Impaler is also known as Vlad Dracul, aka Dracula.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    You know Vlad the Impaler? Interesting story. He was sent to the Ottomans as a hostage as a boy - spent his boyhood and young adolescence there. The people who he impaled later in life were the vanguard an invading muslim army. All along the roads, muslims on pikes. It worked - the rest of the army were spooked and turned back.

    (Bit of a double meaning there, I suspect. A man who had spent his youth as a prisoner of the Ottomans paid them back with pikes up the ass. Apparently, he also impaled a couple of monks. Are we detecting a pattern, here?)
    I think the message was "Shove your backwards religion where the sun don't shine, or I'll shove something else there instead."
    Message was received loud and clear...

    Also, Unboxxed, as an atheist I prefer to keep religion where it belongs: In anyone's private life. I see religions as nothing more then big control schemes, with doctrines for man spoken by men, written in the past by men, translated and reinterpreted by men. Nothing divine about any of that. But right now as an atheist MGTOW, I'm just no longer able to give a crap about that. Worship of the cross, the sickle or the cervix - it's all equally insane. I'll never turn religious, not even just lip service, that'd be hypocritical. But if Russian or Saudi tanks come barreling down the streets? At the moment it's just one army replacing another. And I'm in the mood to fight neither.
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    Re: The fall of the west

    We are Rome. The tribe that will one day take the west is Islam I think. It may take another 100 years but look at how they keep their women, no chance of a feminist revolution. Look at how many kids they have.
    The feminists are already campaigning in muslim countries, it will just take a little longer to 'flourish' than in the west. It is only a matter of time.

    But I believe it'll be a "soft" invasion and a "soft" takeover. By that I mean no armies, but massive civilian influxes over many decades. Once that population establishes a comfortable representative majority, law enforcement and the court system are going to look a lot different than they do now
    Nothing will change. The muslims will shut up and accept it.
    It doesn't matter how much of a macho muslim you are, if your wife can pick up the phone, say she is 'uncomfortable' and have you thrown in jail whenever she pleases.

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    Re: The fall of the west

    I can see that possibility. However, it'll depend on whether the new majority is nominally Islam or authentically Islam. It might be a mix that has regional leanings one way or the other, so the "nominals" would have to be careful where they travel on vacation. Authentically Islam regions would probably have their own well-armed enforcers that fly under state and local police "radar," so to speak, would be fully capable of destroying any opposition from traditional law enforcement, and wouldn't be shy about doing just that at the slightest provocation. (You don't mess with people who are one hundred percent engaged with a strict, intolerant religion and, moreover, aren't the least bit afraid to die for it. There's always a huge attrition imbalance. The Japanese theater of operations in WWII is a prime example.)

    There would also be sea changes in how crime is defined, especially in the areas of morality and standards for proper behavior. More-specifically, relative to female morality and female behavioral standards. Summary elimination and disposal of offenders, rather than court trials, may become the rule in extreme cases, such as the young thot with the sex diary/gradebook whose video appeared in this forum a couple days ago. Without any warning whatsoever, she'd just go missing. But again, I see this happening regionally, not necessarily country-wide. Or at least starting out that way.

    Should be an interesting time. None of us will still be around by then, thank God.

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    Re: The fall of the west

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    The feminists are already campaigning in muslim countries, it will just take a little longer to 'flourish' than in the west. It is only a matter of time.



    Nothing will change. The muslims will shut up and accept it.
    It doesn't matter how much of a macho muslim you are, if your wife can pick up the phone, say she is 'uncomfortable' and have you thrown in jail whenever she pleases.
    Well we've had such cases in Germoney. The dudes just ended up killing their wives/gfs. One particularly fucked guy beheaded his one year old daughter on top of that.
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    I think I understand your point. Yes, police may turn a blind eye because they don't want to be called racists.

    The point I am making and I am speaking from personal experience, is that a woman, if she lives in the western gynocracy has to simply pick up the phone and say that she feels 'uncomfortable'. Good luck trying to be macho when the British, Australian or Canadian police arrive. They will make sure you get a nice cell and they will gleefully watch you get anally raped.

    My mother and sister both did this to their husbands and now both men are living in rented/shared accommodation and have their lives ruined.

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    Re: The fall of the west

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    I think I understand your point. Yes, police may turn a blind eye because they don't want to be called racists.

    The point I am making and I am speaking from personal experience, is that a woman, if she lives in the western gynocracy has to simply pick up the phone and say that she feels 'uncomfortable'. Good luck trying to be macho when the British, Australian or Canadian police arrive. They will make sure you get a nice cell and they will gleefully watch you get anally raped.

    My mother and sister both did this to their husbands and now both men are living in rented/shared accommodation and have their lives ruined.
    Police aren't respected here. You're from the middle east right? They're different over there. Police here are pussies. They're only "strong" against their own countrymen. They shit their pants when they have to confront migrants, especially North African migrants. They regularly get attacked by migrant mobs and chased away.
    Just to showcase my point:
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EG5Nl37RsE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZTQDUnv2JE
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...lent-offenders

    Police officers could start letting violent suspects go if they do not get the backing of the public, a federation leader has warned.
    And even when they do arrest them, the leftist courts in the west almost always give migrants a "migrant bonus" because they "come from a different world and don't understand our values".
    And even if they actually make it into a prison cell, they're usually among their friends.

    Absolutely, the average western straight white man will get assfucked by the system if he puts himself in that position (cohabitation/marriage , kids etc.). The average migrant? Hell even if he gets arrested and put in jail, he likely just won't care.
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    Police here are pussies. They're only "strong" against their own countrymen.
    I'm not so sure about that sir.

    My mother and sister both accused their husbands falsely; this was in the UK. The police came quicker than medical emergency and kicked the men out of the house immediately, I haven't even seen my father or know where he is because of how detrimental the allegation has affected him.

    You're quite right about the migrant situation; the courts may let them off on the grounds that 'they don't understand our culture'; which is ridiculous.

    But if you are non-white living in the west for many years and assimilated; I would doubt the law would see you differently to a white man; unless of course, the issue becomes politicised and the police start covering things up because they don't want to appear 'racists'.

    But I would definately agree that being a straight white man is the worst category to be in the modern western gynocracy; especially if you're from white working class background.

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    Re: The fall of the west

    I think we're basically not disagreeing. Yes, I guess assimilated migrants won't really get much of a different treatment. I don't want to put salt in the wound here, but neither should they expect it. Most men these days are aware that western gynocentrism is a corrupting force. A filipina wife is unable to divorce in the Phillipines, it's actually illegal afaik. Move her to the USA and boom she will soon realize the many new opportunities she has regarding fucking over her husband.
    Not that this changes their nature. They were always kind of vile in nature, they were just forced to cover it in certain situations or environments.
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    Re: The fall of the west

    I will be the contrarian and say there will be no fall due to demographic changes but due to economic collapse due to robotics. To build wealth/spending on consumer goods you have to reduce number of children on average a family has so what you see in MDC countries has already started to mirror in the LDCs that are trying to become MDCs. Even the migrants fleeing the LDCs are realizing this and that they will eventually go back to their home countries. A similar phenomena happens when the US economy heads south and many Mexican illegal aliens head back to Mexico.

    Religion is a strong motivator for large families but it is always competing with the human need and desire to build wealth. Italians for example used to be a country with big Catholic oriented families and they are now facing a demographic time bomb. Many of the more developed Islamic countries show reducing number of children and rising spending rates along with cost of living (eg Singapore).

    The common denominator in all of this is that MDCs have less women giving birth to less children, and spending goes up. Once the LDCs transition to MDC the women in those countries will continue that same trend.

    Right now the early migrants are mainly men and because the men are the ones most willing to take the risk for greater economic opportunity. But unfortunately if the women and children are let in due to chain migration what ends up happening is that the men lose incentive to work hard and revert to living on the government dole cradle to grave.

    In the end, what it all comes down to is that consumer spending that is limitless is not sustainable especially when robotics is around the corner.


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