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    Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    "A biblical scholar has suggested that due to an unfortunate mistranslation in the Bible, God did not create Eve from Adamís rib but rather from his penis. Needless to say, several historical purists are up in Ė arms.

    Professor Ziony Zevit from the American Jewish University in Maryland has proposed his theory in a new book, ďWhat Really Happened in the Garden of Eden.Ē According to Zevit, the Hebrew word Ďtselaí in the Old Testament does not translate as Ďrib.í Rather, Zevit believes that Ďtselaí means a limb sticking out sideways from an upright human body, and contextually translates this to penis. Furthering this hypothesis, Zevit uses his new translation to explain why man is the only mammal without a penis bone Ė because Adam used his to make Eve . . . "
    https://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/20...m_content=link

    Commenters: "So ... every time I kiss my wife Iím giving myself head ?"
    "san fran figures, heís probably gay or in the closet . . . " "Gov. Northam said ďAdam couldnít have been black. Have you ever tried taking a rib from a black man?í"

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    I love the implications for the Whimyn's Studies Departments.

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    Well, this is a hoot. The author Ziony Zevit discusses this in an article, “Was Eve Made from Adam’s Rib—or His Baculum?” in the September/October 2015 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review. It is presented in the Biblical Archaeology Society Online Archive but you have to subscribe there to read it:

    Was Eve Made from Adam’s Rib—or His Baculum?

    Here are a few other links, in response to Zevit's claim:

    From the staff of the Biblical Archaeology Society, originally published September 15, 2015:

    Of the 40 appearances of tsela‘ in the Bible, the Adam and Eve story is the only place where it is translated as “rib.” Usually it means the side of something. Zevit explains the nuance of this word:

    This Hebrew word occurs some 40 times in the Hebrew Bible, where it refers to the side of a building or of an altar or ark (Exodus 25:12; 26:20, 26; 1 Kings 6:34), a side-chamber (1 Kings 6:8; Ezekiel 41:6), or a branch of a mountain (2 Samuel 16:13). In each of these instances, it refers to something off-center, lateral to a main structure. The only place where tsela‘ might be construed as referring to a rib that branches off from the spinal cord is in Genesis 2:21–22.

    According to Zevit, “rib” is the wrong translation for tsela‘ in the Adam and Eve story in the Bible. Zevit believes that tsela‘ should be translated as “a non-specific, general term,” such as one of Adam’s lateral limbs, in the Adam and Eve story. Thus, it refers to “limbs lateral to the vertical axis of an erect human body: hands, feet, or, in the case of males, the penis.

    December 21, 2017 - The Adam and Eve Story: Eve Came From Where?
    This next article tells us the author first presented his argument in his 2013 book “What Really Happened in the Garden of Eden?” and offers some public reaction:

    Christian readers tell periodical where to get off after Dr. Ziony Zevit argues that Hebrew word ‘tsela’ refers to penile bone which humans no longer possess

    December 29, 2015 - Claim Eve came from Adam’s penis dismissed as phallacy
    And from Haaretz, Israel's Daily Newspaper, with pictures of baculi:

    Rib theory of Creation prevails: Ancient linguistics provide no support for the theory that Eve was fashioned of man's mysteriously absent penis bone.

    December 29, 2015 - Why God Didn't Use Adam's Penis Bone to Make Eve
    Some pretty stiff opposition to his idea.
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    Suitable for bookmarking: www.fakehatecrimes.org and www.breitbart.com/tag/hate-crime-hoax

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    If God wanted to be understood clearly he should have written his book in clearer terms. Or at least found a scholar who wasn't going to go off on their own and make shit up.

    That said, I doubt this stuff anyway.

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    If Eve was made from Adam's dick instead of his rib, it explains why women can be such pricks. It just comes naturally.
    "Don't follow in my footsteps. I stepped in something."

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    Quote Originally Posted by CPRA View Post
    "A biblical scholar has suggested that due to an unfortunate mistranslation in the Bible, God did not create Eve from Adam’s rib but rather from his penis. Needless to say, several historical purists are up in – arms.
    Yeah, I've been saying this for a while.

    Remember, guys: ex christian here.

    Most ancient myths are little just-so stories to explain stuff about the natural world. Here in Oz, the aboriginals explain that the hills came about because the great rainbow serpent was, like, slithering about. The greek myths explain where daffodils come from, why spiders spin webs, how come we have fire, all kinds of random stuff. We learn from genesis 1-3 why snakes have no legs; why farming is such shitty work; why women are so contrary; why childbirth hurts; and yes: why humans, unlike almost every other mammal, lack a bacculum - a penis-bone.

    Yeah, I shouldn't be spruiking my lack-of-religion, but I didn't start it. Anyone who thinks that Gen 3 is a literal record of something that actually happened on a Tuesday thousands of years ago is going to have to explain exactly how a snake, of all things, managed to talk intelligibly. They don't have lips, you know. Not to mention how Moses (who totally wrote the Pentatuech) came to have a record of the actual conversation.

    Permit me to recommend "Some Mistakes of Moses", Robert Ingersoll, 1879.

    At infidels.org or project gutenberg.

    I ask again, how were Adam and Eve created? In one account
    they are created male and female, and apparently at the same time.
    In the next account, Adam is created first, and Eve a long time
    afterwards, and from a part of the man. Did God simply by his
    creative fiat cause a rib slowly to expand, grow and divide into
    nerve, ligament, cartilage and flesh? How was the woman created
    from a rib? How was man created simply from dust? For my part, I
    cannot believe this statement. I may suffer for this in the world
    to come; and may, millions of years hence, sincerely wish that I
    had never investigated the subject, but had been content to take
    the ideas of the dead. I do not believe that any deity works in
    that way.

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    Interesting. According to some people Adam's first wife was not Eve but a woman named Lilith.
    https://www.disclose.tv/lilith-was-a...-secret-315540

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    Lilith? Oh no! Adam was married to Niles' ex from Frazier? No wonder he left the garden.
    "Don't follow in my footsteps. I stepped in something."

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    Brought to you by the same folks who calculated the Earth to be 6000 years old by adding up the ages of people in the Bible…

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    This is a stupid issue. They are discussing the meaning of ONE WORD?

    There are plenty of problems in the Bible, starting front the very beginning, where it says: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

    The original Hebrew word used for God is "elohiym", that is a PLURAL word (no semantic doubt about THAT)! So it really says:"In the beginning the Gods created the heavens and the earth."

    That is a good start for the fundamental book of a monotheistic religion.

    Check this link, they dont even address the blatant use of the plural form:
    https://biblehub.com/lexicon/genesis/1-1.htm

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    This is a stupid issue. They are discussing the meaning of ONE WORD?

    There are plenty of problems in the Bible, starting front the very beginning, where it says: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

    The original Hebrew word used for God is "elohiym", that is a PLURAL word (no semantic doubt about THAT)! So it really says:"In the beginning the Gods created the heavens and the earth."

    That is a good start for the fundamental book of a monotheistic religion.

    Check this link, they dont even address the blatant use of the plural form:
    https://biblehub.com/lexicon/genesis/1-1.htm

    I don't know why but I've noticed u like launching senseless attacks on religion whenever possible. But...
    Your criticism here is irrelevant to the topic. We weren't discussing the meaning of God or advocating for the bible...

    Anyway...
    I noticed this passage a long time ago which seems to support your claim.
    "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

    For me religion isn't about God. Its about why humans created religions in the first place?
    Every civilization that rose on every part of the earth did so with their own religion/ideology. Why?
    Why don't we see any successful secular civilizations rising throughout history?

    Im currently reading a book called "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind" by Yuval Noah Harari.
    He has some interesting views...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Porkncheese View Post
    Your criticism here is irrelevant to the topic. We weren't discussing the meaning of God or advocating for the bible...
    Not sure what the topic actually is, if we aren't shooting the breeze about religion, Christianity in particular.

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkncheese View Post
    Anyway...
    I noticed this passage a long time ago which seems to support your claim.
    "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
    The earlier parts of the bible make much, much more sense when you appreciate that the ancient Hebrews were polytheists just like everyone else at the time. Gen 1 explains how the Elohim, the gods, the spirits, made the earth and everything in it. Gen 2 zooms in on one particular one of those Elohim, named Jehovah, and talks about his particular little corner of the world. This neatly accounts for the two different accounts of creation, and explains - for instance - where Cain's wife came from. He travelled to the land of Nod. What's that? Well, the tribe on the other side of the mountain had a god named Nod, who created them, and Cain went there. Simple.

    It also neatly explains the "image and likeness" verse. Each god created a people that looked like him. This is why we have different races. And the proof that this is true is dead simple - just check out the images that people make of their gods. All the egyptian gods look egyptian. All the african gods are black. QED.

    This, incidentally, explains why we should obey God - or at least why the hebrews should obey Jehovah. God made them, he is their father, they look like him for the same reason that any child looks like his father - they came from him. God's authority is the paternal authority.

    Anyway.

    Monotheism only becomes a thing after the Babylonian captivity. Zoroastrianism and all that. Prior to that, the other gods were perfectly real. Even the 10 commandments only stipulate that Jews are to keep Jehovah as their primary god. If you have other household gods or whatever, that's perfectly fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkncheese View Post
    Why don't we see any successful secular civilizations rising throughout history?
    What, like this one? The one that went to the Moon, that might colonize Mars?

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    Quote Originally Posted by porkncheese
    Why don't we see any successful secular civilizations rising throughout history?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    What, like this one? The one that went to the Moon, that might colonize Mars?
    My bad I ment the early civilisations which u spoke of. All polytheists apart from east Asia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Not sure what the topic actually is, if we aren't shooting the breeze about religion, Christianity in particular.
    Im agnostic by the way. The OP reminded me of Adam and Lilith. I found a brief clip to summarize it.
    Its a pro feminist clip but u can translate it through ur red pill knowledge.
    Basically they say the first version of Christianity up untill about 800AD had this story about Adam and Lilith.

    God allegedly created Adam and Lilith both from dust, to be equal...But guess what...
    Female nature is a bitch... Lilith was a feminist... Hehehe...



    This is me just thinking/theorizing now. Its probably why humans were in the dark ages for so long. Trying to preach equality wasn't working.
    The Arabs got fed up and created Islam which exploded basically overnight. Much stricter on women.
    And the Christians finally changed the story and spun the Adam and Eve yarn.

    And so to drive home the message
    "woman u wer made from mans penis therefore u will submit to ur mans penis"
    Scholars might have thought it was a bit much and so opted to go with the rib intead

    The woman only has to do one thing to uphold the marriage agreement. Spread her legs.

    These religions are woke when it comes to female nature. Theres no mix up of gender roles.
    They demand that women submit to their husbands, that men are to lead and not be led by women.

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkncheese View Post
    I don't know why but I've noticed u like launching senseless attacks on religion whenever possible. But...
    Your criticism here is irrelevant to the topic. We weren't discussing the meaning of God or advocating for the bible...
    You have noticed something that does not exist, and I would like you to point out were I did this. I did not "attack" a religion by pointing out a word present in the Bible. I simply stated that one word was plural. I even provided an external source for reference, and therefore I cannot also understand your qualification of "senseless". If THAT kind of argument does not make sense, then what does?

    Obviously anything would be problematic to someone that reads the Bible to the letter and believes it to be the "Absolute Truth". People do not deal well when you point out inconsistencies on their world view.

    Therefore, my understanding of this thread is that we are talking about people that are to literal in reading the Bible - as it is the case with the word "rib" or "penis". Or is it the discussion about what is the best part of a man to build a woman?

    Regarding the feminists, they do not care if it is the word means "rib" or "penis", they are already triggered by the fact that the Bible claims women where made after man, and from a man. I doubt they would take well most of the Bible, and probably cherry pick only what interests them.

    And I do not understand how you can be an atheist and accuse me of "attacking religions"... Something I do not do, because I actually consider God as a fact, not a belief.

    I can be critical about the way organized religions operate, and the way people deal with religion. And I only do so with people of open mind (like this forum), without resorting to demeaning or insulting arguments. Each person has the right to believe whatever they want, if they want to discuss it we can do it peacefully.

    This whole issue is a clear example of what I think is the wrong way to look at a Holly Book like the Bible. Because it was written by men, copied by men, translated by men and is interpreted by men: it should not be interpreted literally. Whatever divine inspiration present in the words is simply subjected to the (lack of) understanding of those making all these changes throughout time.

    To understand the creation of men, it is to understand God and how God does what He does. And I risk no heresy by saying man cannot do that.
    Therefore, to expect a correct explanation of the creation is similar to expecting kindergarten kids to understand and explain quantum theory and its mathematical formalism. And that example does not come close to the difference between man and God...
    Last edited by Manfred; February 6, 2019 at 1:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred View Post
    You have noticed something that does not exist, and I would like you to point out were I did this. I did not "attack" a religion by pointing out a word present in the Bible. I simply stated that one word was plural. I even provided an external source for reference, and therefore I cannot also understand your qualification of "senseless". If THAT kind of argument does not make sense, then what does?

    Obviously anything would be problematic to someone that reads the Bible to the letter and believes it to be the "Absolute Truth". People do not deal well when you point out inconsistencies on their world view.

    Therefore, my understanding of this thread is that we are talking about people that are to literal in reading the Bible - as it is the case with the word "rib" or "penis". Or is it the discussion about what is the best part of a man to build a woman?

    Regarding the feminists, they do not care if it is the word means "rib" or "penis", they are already triggered by the fact that the Bible claims women where made after man, and from a man. I doubt they would take well most of the Bible, and probably cherry pick only what interests them.

    And I do not understand how you can be an atheist and accuse me of "attacking religions"... Something I do not do, because I actually consider God as a fact, not a belief.

    I can be critical about the way organized religions operate, and the way people deal with religion. And I only do so with people of open mind (like this forum), without resorting to demeaning or insulting arguments. Each person has the right to believe whatever they want, if they want to discuss it we can do it peacefully.

    This whole issue is a clear example of what I think is the wrong way to look at a Holly Book like the Bible. Because it was written by men, copied by men, translated by men and is interpreted by men: it should not be interpreted literally. Whatever divine inspiration present in the words is simply subjected to the (lack of) understanding of those making all these changes throughout time.

    To understand the creation of men, it is to understand God and how God does what He does. And I risk no heresy by saying man cannot do that.
    Therefore, to expect a correct explanation of the creation is similar to expecting kindergarten kids to understand and explain quantum theory and its mathematical formalism. And that example does not come close to the difference between man and God...

    Perhaps my claim of "launching senseless attacks on religion whenever possible" is a bit exaggerated but its regarding various posts iv seen made.

    On this post u start with "This is a stupid issue. They are discussing the meaning of ONE WORD?"
    And then proceed to give an interesting example of another word which was plural.
    And I supplied evidence to that from a suspicious bit of text in Genesis.

    Im not sure why discussing the meaning of one word is stupid but anyway. My post wasnt discussing the meaning of any words really.

    As for the rest of your post i have no issue with any of it but i never said i was an atheist. I said i was agnostic

    Anyway enough of religion i want to see feminists in tears...

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    Re: Was Eve created from Adamís penis? Cal PhD is seriously arguing just that

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkncheese View Post

    On this post u start with "This is a stupid issue. They are discussing the meaning of ONE WORD?"
    [...]
    Im not sure why discussing the meaning of one word is stupid but anyway. My post wasnt discussing the meaning of any words really.
    You are right, calling it a "stupid" issue was uncalled for. Thank you for pointing it out.

    "People discussing the meaning of ONE WORD in the Bible are engaging in a unproductive discussion." That should have been my opening argument.


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