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    I don't know how many of you have been present the moment somebody has died. Grief aside, it's a very surreal experience in some ways. One moment the person you know is present. In a split second, they are not. It's hard for me to not at least consider the possibility of the existence of the human soul. The moment someone dies, their viable organs are all still living to the point they can be transplanted into a person who needs them. In fact, the majority of their cells continue to live on, at least until they run out of glucose and oxygen. I think it is safe to say that at the very instance of death, not much changes on a cellular level. At the macro level however, everything has changed. Something that was once present is no longer present, never to return. Even if you are not religious, you have to admit, at least some sort of organizational intelligence has ceased to operate.

    That is how I view the west right now. The whole of the body is already dead. Something has changed and will never return. Different organs and vestiges of the body continue to function, at least for a little while. It give the appearance that things are still running, but that very special organizational intelligence is gone forever. The thing that made it unique no longer exists.

    I wonder if nations or cultures also have souls. What is it that binds a collective zeitgeist? What exactly is it that no longer exists?

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    Re: A death analogy

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    I don't know how many of you have been present the moment somebody has died. Grief aside, it's a very surreal experience in some ways. One moment the person you know is present. In a split second, they are not. It's hard for me to not at least consider the possibility of the existence of the human soul.

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    This reminded me of a little thing, experiment you can say, I did on myself sometime ago. My room has several lights, but there is a very dim bulb at a corner. Its a tradition here that when a person dies, his/her room is kept lit for a day or two. So I sat there imagining my room if I die that day. I turned off all fans, AC, computer, everything, except that dim bulb. And I stood there and watched my room as someone else. Looking at the stuff lying all around, whose owner is never coming back. Stuff that will soon be all packed into a box and removed from the room. The furniture will be removed. The room will then be cleaned, and eventually some new owner will occupy it.

    After a minute or two, I went back to normal life, but one day, it will be a reality. There is no escape. Not saying it saddens me or discourages me from working for whatever goals I have in life, its just a different feeling. Like you said, surreal.
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    Re: A death analogy

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    I don't know how many of you have been present the moment somebody has died. Grief aside, it's a very surreal experience in some ways. One moment the person you know is present. In a split second, they are not. It's hard for me to not at least consider the possibility of the existence of the human soul. The moment someone dies, their viable organs are all still living to the point they can be transplanted into a person who needs them. In fact, the majority of their cells continue to live on, at least until they run out of glucose and oxygen. I think it is safe to say that at the very instance of death, not much changes on a cellular level. At the macro level however, everything has changed. Something that was once present is no longer present, never to return. Even if you are not religious, you have to admit, at least some sort of organizational intelligence has ceased to operate.

    That is how I view the west right now. The whole of the body is already dead. Something has changed and will never return. Different organs and vestiges of the body continue to function, at least for a little while. It give the appearance that things are still running, but that very special organizational intelligence is gone forever. The thing that made it unique no longer exists.

    I wonder if nations or cultures also have souls. What is it that binds a collective zeitgeist? What exactly is it that no longer exists?
    I hear what you're saying, and I think it is remnants of past generations fading into the background or dying off, with only a few left to 'run the store.' Those generations & leaders that made this country what it was. Now the spoiled kids are running amok, trashing everything built by previous generations - positioning themselves for the kill, so to speak. It reminds me of a once magnificent Blue Whale, getting weighed down with barnacles and other parasites - becoming a shadow of its former self, and struggling to function. They did experiments back in the day on people on death's door. They would put the bed on a scale and at the moment of death, the weight would decrease by 2 - 2.5 oz on average. I believe that is our essence, our soul leaving the body....FWIW. I am certainly no expert.
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    America was buried with JFK. Look at how life was so much different. Families were bigger, kept in touch, and things were just more peaceful. You didn't have to wonder if someone was going to kill you over nothing. All these social justice groups killed America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    America was buried with JFK. Look at how life was so much different. Families were bigger, kept in touch, and things were just more peaceful. You didn't have to wonder if someone was going to kill you over nothing. All these social justice groups killed America.
    Astute observation. There have always been conspiracies I suppose. "War is a racket" by Smedley Buttler detailed stuff pre-JFK. That being said, JFK getting taken out was probably when the deep state really did kill the US. An actual sitting president was assassinated and the official story is as nonsensical as building 7 coming down. Think of everything after. The golf on Tonkin never happened. The whole Korean war... It's all been engineered since then. We've been in a perpetual state of unwinnable wars ever since.

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    Re: A death analogy

    I wonder if it is death throes or demoralization? Those are not mutually exclusive conditions either.

    What I have seen is that we no longer value community and family. Individualism has never been more rampant; given current social conditions, it is really the most rational choice. Why work and sacrifice for a community or family that takes your resources and labor but continually denigrates you for your existence? Then the lawmakers got in on the act with their laws and the family court system. That alone has destroyed any illusion that you can have a family. All you really have is financial duties that will be enforced.

    Our work ethic has been murdered by wealth transfers. Why make when you can just vote and take? Except that the makers are tired and are leaving the plantation. And the takers refuse to go on a fiscal diet. They would rather vote themselves large doles of junk money than earn a modest healthy income.

    Toss in social media where it is all about 'me' instead of 'we' and the worldview of most people will shrink to become 'The Grand Movie of My Life.' We broadcast, we do not connect. Why have conversations when you have to defend your position? You can just broadcast it out there and let others deal with it or fail to deal with it. Trigger warnings anyone?

    We have also lost the ability to tolerate any opposing views. This is so critical that it was made the first passage of the Bill of Rights. Except now, we are undermining that on a continual basis. Shadow bans, closed comments, shouting down speakers, etc. We have conflated our Right of Comfort with our duty to be civil and open. Free speech is now hate speech.

    We have diluted the value of history, which is a foundation stone of identity. We were never a perfect country, we did appalling things, but we need to be honest about our history if we want to be honest with ourselves. Pulling down statues does not change history, it changes how we value history. And thanks to revisionist history, everyone can have their own personal version of history. Forget the past and you can be whoever you want to broadcast.

    And most damaging of all: we have lost our resilience to recover from failure. We are no longer instilling the 'can do' attitude in our citizens. It is now the 'You should not have to' mindset. Work hard? No, that is for others. Tolerate opposing views and put forth rejoinders? That would only encourage more 'hate speech.' Try to start a new business? Nah, too much risk and I have to sell a kidney for the child support payments. How about learning to do something hard? That would take too much time. Learning from failure is one of the most important aspects of personal development. But when you fail to even try, you learn nothing.

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    I dwell on politically, judicially, and legally condemned and necrotic land where civilization perished by corruption and still people carry on and go through the motions of citizenry and membership in spite the fact they're entombed in a massive wildlife forest surrounded by nature where people once congregated. The United States for all its worth is deceased and decayed by my recollection by the adverse conditions I endlessly struggle with in day to day living. America has many forms of cancer and no remedies or remediation have or shall ever take place, it's the nature of the beast when a people stray off course and into the darkness...

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    I always noticed that something in America was never quite right again after Kennedy's death. I also find it very suspicious that Bobby Kennedy was assassinated when it looked like he would win. Then, Ted Kennedy's career was derailed when he tried to run. Somebody none of us know decided for us that no Kennedy would ever sit in the White House again.
    America kept shooting itself in vital organs after World War Two. We lost the war in Korea and called it a draw. We lost in Viet Nam because we saw the world through cold war eyes. I think the cold war was dying of old age and our leaders were blind to it. We overthrew regimes all over the world and propped up dictatorships like Marcos in the P.I. or the Shah of Iran, and Noriega. Our leaders told us those were democracies, but the people in those countries knew better. We were lied to.
    America is on her death bed now with self inflicted wounds all over her. I see a slow suicide taking place. When she spends her last breath will she go out with a bang or a wimper? And...will any of us realize she's passed? Our leaders will lie to us and tel us she is alive and well...and then we will be introduced to the "new America". I hope I'm already gone by then.
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    I grew up in an America that was great, a bastion of liberty and a land of opportunity. A land where anybody could get ahead if they wanted to. New discoveries and inventions were a weekly thing back during the 1960's. Seems like every few days there was news of the latest and greatest gadget just coming out that would vastly improve our life on a daily measure. New and great kitchen appliances that would help Mom and reduce her work. Wonder drugs hitting the market to combat the Ill's of the day. Americas military strength and cutting edge weapons were without peer... Hell we even put men on the moon. We were the greatest..Or not! It's been smoke and mirrors for a LONG time.

    It never was about we the people...that was just heart warming slogans and lies told to gullible folk to pacify them and develop a land while nefarious assholes in power went about their dastardly plans of control.
    And like a long term disease that kills the body slowly,everyday life for most folks changed just a little here and a little there. Nothing big or In Your Face......just subtle changes.....by incremental steps.
    We were lured into laziness and indifference by "the good life" with toys and trinkets while our unknown enemy destroyed us from within. And like that long term illness.....the danger and damage is usually undetected until the bitter end.

    I don't see it getting better, all I see is more and more decay and rot until we come to a RESET.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boar View Post
    I wonder if it is death throes or demoralization? Those are not mutually exclusive conditions either.

    What I have seen is that we no longer value community and family. Individualism has never been more rampant; given current social conditions, it is really the most rational choice. Why work and sacrifice for a community or family that takes your resources and labor but continually denigrates you for your existence? Then the lawmakers got in on the act with their laws and the family court system. That alone has destroyed any illusion that you can have a family. All you really have is financial duties that will be enforced.

    Our work ethic has been murdered by wealth transfers. Why make when you can just vote and take? Except that the makers are tired and are leaving the plantation. And the takers refuse to go on a fiscal diet. They would rather vote themselves large doles of junk money than earn a modest healthy income.

    Toss in social media where it is all about 'me' instead of 'we' and the worldview of most people will shrink to become 'The Grand Movie of My Life.' We broadcast, we do not connect. Why have conversations when you have to defend your position? You can just broadcast it out there and let others deal with it or fail to deal with it. Trigger warnings anyone?

    We have also lost the ability to tolerate any opposing views. This is so critical that it was made the first passage of the Bill of Rights. Except now, we are undermining that on a continual basis. Shadow bans, closed comments, shouting down speakers, etc. We have conflated our Right of Comfort with our duty to be civil and open. Free speech is now hate speech.

    We have diluted the value of history, which is a foundation stone of identity. We were never a perfect country, we did appalling things, but we need to be honest about our history if we want to be honest with ourselves. Pulling down statues does not change history, it changes how we value history. And thanks to revisionist history, everyone can have their own personal version of history. Forget the past and you can be whoever you want to broadcast.

    And most damaging of all: we have lost our resilience to recover from failure. We are no longer instilling the 'can do' attitude in our citizens. It is now the 'You should not have to' mindset. Work hard? No, that is for others. Tolerate opposing views and put forth rejoinders? That would only encourage more 'hate speech.' Try to start a new business? Nah, too much risk and I have to sell a kidney for the child support payments. How about learning to do something hard? That would take too much time. Learning from failure is one of the most important aspects of personal development. But when you fail to even try, you learn nothing.
    It seems to me that the only people that still talk about community are the parasitic class that depend on it for survival. The producers are well tired of that kind of community.

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    Re: A death analogy

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Astute observation. There have always been conspiracies I suppose. "War is a racket" by Smedley Buttler detailed stuff pre-JFK. That being said, JFK getting taken out was probably when the deep state really did kill the US. An actual sitting president was assassinated and the official story is as nonsensical as building 7 coming down. Think of everything after. The golf on Tonkin never happened. The whole Korean war... It's all been engineered since then. We've been in a perpetual state of unwinnable wars ever since.
    Can't go into too much here but most of what the media feeds you is garbage. Take the JFK MURDER. There was obviously multiple shooters. But the media told us some guy with piss poor gunmanship in the miltary was able to take out JFK from multiple angles. Yeah right.


    All these social justice groups destroyed America. Arent we supposedly America:United We Stand? But yet these SJW groups single themselves out and wonder why people don't take them seriously. Look at the bullshit the president is going through. Love him or hate him, I find it fucked up that people threaten him out in the open(Social Media, TV, etc) but yet nothing is done. Look at the 4 cupcakes that are trying to mess with him over tweets. Aren't they supposed to be state representatives or something but yet down 'American First'? I can't wait for 2020 and my main man Trump is re-elected in a total landslide. Hope you wear rubber boots cause the SJWs are literally going to shit themselves! Women were always nuts but in the days of our grandparents, the family stood together no matter what. Now women have so much pull with lies its not even worth it to check them out anymore. USA is gone.

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    Re: A death analogy

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Can't go into too much here but most of what the media feeds you is garbage. Take the JFK MURDER. There was obviously multiple shooters. But the media told us some guy with piss poor gunmanship in the miltary was able to take out JFK from multiple angles. Yeah right.


    All these social justice groups destroyed America. Arent we supposedly America:United We Stand? But yet these SJW groups single themselves out and wonder why people don't take them seriously. Look at the bullshit the president is going through. Love him or hate him, I find it fucked up that people threaten him out in the open(Social Media, TV, etc) but yet nothing is done. Look at the 4 cupcakes that are trying to mess with him over tweets. Aren't they supposed to be state representatives or something but yet down 'American First'? I can't wait for 2020 and my main man Trump is re-elected in a total landslide. Hope you wear rubber boots cause the SJWs are literally going to shit themselves! Women were always nuts but in the days of our grandparents, the family stood together no matter what. Now women have so much pull with lies its not even worth it to check them out anymore. USA is gone.
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    Re: A death analogy

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    America was buried with JFK.
    You know I tend to blame the change on the British Invasion (The Beatles, et al)!! I wonder what life would have been like had Pat Boone and The New Christy Minstrels had still flourished in America into the late 60s. LOL.

    Christy who, you ask? That's what I'm talking about!

    Although people were upset about Elvis the Pelvis and he came earlier.

    Please, nobody get mad, I only pick on the British Invasion because music was the biggest influence of which I was aware when I was a kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    You know I tend to blame the change on the British Invasion.
    I never understood America's obsession with the Brits in general. Didn't we fight 2 wars to get away from them? One war was even called INDEPENDENCE! But yet when they have singers, movies, weddings, births, a fart in the wind ,etc, America becomes obsessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    I never understood America's obsession with the Brits in general. Didn't we fight 2 wars to get away from them? One war was even called INDEPENDENCE! But yet when they have singers, movies, weddings, births, a fart in the wind ,etc, America becomes obsessed.
    I have a friend who visits me (Seattle) from London and, every time he is on the phone with someone here, or at a restaurant, he can persuade anybody to do just about anything. We've talked about it, that his British accent hypnotizes people into agreeability!
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