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    Culpable vs Responsible

    I was just reading the comments in a Jordan Peterson video about men who marry bitchy women. Basically, the lions share of people where bagging on the men for making bad choices. They were doing this, largely because that is what Peterson basically says. It's their fault for picking a bad woman, therefor they deserve what they get. There is a serious lack of nuance in this though.

    Personally, I have found it therapeutic to identify the cause of my misery. It is helpful to acknowledge that you have been wronged. The danger, is obviously in not taking responsibility for your circumstances. As much as the SJWs overuse the term, victim blaming is a real thing.

    This is where I find the underutilized term "culpable" useful. Understand that you as a man are always the responsible party. You alone must find a fix for what ever predicament you are in. This fact is inescapable. Nobody is going to rescue you. The culpable party however, is the person that hurt you.

    A child raised by a narcissist, will simply not recognize the trait when picking a mate because the behaviors seem normal. Narcissism in women is way more common than most of society thinks. IMHO, it is in fact, only distinguishable from normal female behavior by a matter of degree.

    So the JP video blames the men for their situations because they chose badly. This is an error. It doesn't identify the problem which is why these men chose poorly. Calling them stupid fails to recognize the original problem, so any solution found will be imperfect. The original problem is they married these women because to them, the narcissistic behaviors are simply seen as normal. It's how they grew up seeing their mother treat their father.

    Identifying the culpable party, like their mother, is like a release valve. It lets you identify the root cause and any bad actors in your past that may have caused you harm. It does not however release you from your responsibility of fixing your situation. The conflation of these two similar but distinct concepts is causing great harm.

    If you are going through some shit, you must identify the bad actors in your life. JP can be so smart sometimes, but then he just simply misses stuff like this some times. Just calling guys stupid for marrying wrong is simply not helpful.

    1) Name the villains in your life and in your past. Identify every way in which you have been harmed and then go through all 7 stages of grief with regard to this harm. Get through it. Don't get stuck in the anger phase.

    2) Now go about the business of fixing yourself.

    It seems that most people focus only on one aspect of this two part solution. I've found both to be necessary. Hippies and SJWs never leave stage one. They can't face the responsibility of fixing themselves. People who are overly stoic skip step one. They never pull it apart to identify the why. They just push all that emotional shit down and die 10 years too early as a result.

    Do both. Process that shit, and then get on with your life.

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    Of course there is such a thing as victim blaming. The way SJW's and feminists use it is for a political goal however, not because they truly care about creating a better society.

    With regards to men marrying bitches, I am guessing by that you mean men marrying women who will exploit them. Well female manipulation is high quality and it takes many long years of life and self reflection to figure it out.

    Also, do not forget, in most cases, mothers hate their sons; which leads them to wilfully hide useful info about female manipulation. Why? Because if said mother teaches her son about female manipulation, he will become suspicious of not only females, but his mother/sister/aunt intentions as well. And he should be - because they are no different.

    With regards to JP, and with all due respect to you sir, I think he is an undercover professional paid troll.

    Proof is in the pudding, when was the last time he actually shared information about female manipulation? He always talk about 'taking responsibility' 'men need to become men' 'clean your room' 'take the hard path'.

    All this leads men to 'chase' women and 'better' themselves, which leads the individual man to fight himself and be overly critical.
    It doesn't work and never has.

    Instead, how about women become more understanding, more patient, more caring and just generally more willing to be with average everyday men?

    You'll never get the from tradcons, because they believe that a certain level of hypergamy is 'a good thing' for society. I bet if some average Joe like me, where to ask JP's daughter for a date, he would probably go mental and would definitely not allow it; that is assuming his daughter where to even acknowledge me as a potential suitor.

    The only way for men to get out of the gynocentric tyranny we live in and achieve true freedom, is to understand societal manipulation AT ALL LEVELS.

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    Narcissism in females is all I see anymore, is it the red pills that I swallow and adore? My basic assessment of westernized women is confirmed in all the knowledge that I learn, for instance, the St. Laurence river in Canada is toxicified downstream from Toronto with psyche meds from the sewage treatment plants, they're finding it in the fish. Toronto is one of feminism's four strongholds, California, Massachusetts, and Stockholm being the others, it's a fact that western women consume copious amounts of psyche meds, most around here are psychotic and unpredictable, honestly, they're fucking weird, they're the outcome and end product of feminism, they have zero social skills, they're lethargic, and not pleasurable the least. You'll never hear men asking where are all the good women, we got our answer, there are none.

    Great thread pbisque! You're absolutely right about wrenching your own head, nobody's gonna do it for you, it all needs processing and closure, I've swallowed some mighty big humility that washed away my pride>>>(narcissism) then accepting things as they are and moving on to the next adventure in life. A newborn is the biggest narcissist there is, all they do is cry until they're attended, and offer nothing but shit in return.

    Those that focus on the past cannot navigate the present, and have little chance of a future. I found that confronting those that done me wrong to be a waste of time and effort, it's better to walk away than to discipline or revenge, I pragmatically leave them there like spoiled screaming brats they are. They're void of consideration by the fact they intentionally did you wrong, I box them up and ship them out of my life on a one way trip to Tahiti! I've become quite proficient at processing bad people and spotting them by their narcissistic traits. There's no room for a psyche med induced narcissist anywhere in my life.
    Adopting another man's wife and family as your own is an abomination unto eternity. Don't be a Mumford O'Crowley, draw the line!

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    The tribe doesn't want to hear men complain about unfaithful, abusive, nagging, or crazy women. The tribe just wants the tribe to keep on fucking and partying and having good times. When men are complaining, they could be doing something more useful for the tribe. The tribe knows on some deep level what astonishing cunts women can be, hell, even WOMEN themselves will admit how horrible women can be. And we ALL know that people change, sometimes twice over, between the time we meet to the time it all ends.

    Just remember that the blue-pill bullshit they lay onto you will be the same blue-pill bullshit they themselves will be handed when it's THEIR TURN to pay the blue pill bill. And ALL men paying the blue pill game eventually get a blue pill bill.
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    People can change so even blue pillers agree that you can never pick the right one. Best advice I ever received was if you have doubts now, tomorrow or the future don't do it.

    Some will call that timid but it is better to safeguard what you believe is your future than to feed the ego of the present to appease others.

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    To be fair to Peterson, he does compare women to Chaos, as in they are the embodiment of it. The feminists hate that. He also calls the patriarchy "order". In his world view, men bring order to chaos. He certainly isn't perfect, but in the field of psychology, he is the closest your going to get to a red pill anything.

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    With regards to JP, and with all due respect to you sir, I think he is an undercover professional paid troll.
    This is what I think too. His skill in using clever academic jargon often ends up hiding that quite well, unless he faces his equal. I once saw him debating David Benatar on antinatalism, his tricks didnt work. Even his fans were pissed off at his behaviour, judging from some of the comments on that video. And we mgtow already know this side of him, because he keeps dismissing us all the time, except some half hearted apology he done some time ago.
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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    This is what I think too. His skill in using clever academic jargon often ends up hiding that quite well, unless he faces his equal. I once saw him debating David Benatar on antinatalism, his tricks didnt work. Even his fans were pissed off at his behaviour, judging from some of the comments on that video. And we mgtow already know this side of him, because he keeps dismissing us all the time, except some half hearted apology he done some time ago.
    All this really means is that he is deeply flawed. You won't get an argument from me there.

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    This is what I think too. His skill in using clever academic jargon often ends up hiding that quite well, unless he faces his equal.
    It really shows you the level of intellect men are at when they admire someone like JP who has nothing profound to say apart from 'clean your room'. It's good for a lot of fatherless men who can't afford professional help though.

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Of course there is such a thing as victim blaming. The way SJW's and feminists use it is for a political goal however, not because they truly care about creating a better society.

    With regards to men marrying bitches, I am guessing by that you mean men marrying women who will exploit them. Well female manipulation is high quality and it takes many long years of life and self reflection to figure it out.

    Also, do not forget, in most cases, mothers hate their sons; which leads them to wilfully hide useful info about female manipulation. Why? Because if said mother teaches her son about female manipulation, he will become suspicious of not only females, but his mother/sister/aunt intentions as well. And he should be - because they are no different.

    With regards to JP, and with all due respect to you sir, I think he is an undercover professional paid troll.

    Proof is in the pudding, when was the last time he actually shared information about female manipulation? He always talk about 'taking responsibility' 'men need to become men' 'clean your room' 'take the hard path'.

    All this leads men to 'chase' women and 'better' themselves, which leads the individual man to fight himself and be overly critical.
    It doesn't work and never has.

    Instead, how about women become more understanding, more patient, more caring and just generally more willing to be with average everyday men?

    You'll never get the from tradcons, because they believe that a certain level of hypergamy is 'a good thing' for society. I bet if some average Joe like me, where to ask JP's daughter for a date, he would probably go mental and would definitely not allow it; that is assuming his daughter where to even acknowledge me as a potential suitor.

    The only way for men to get out of the gynocentric tyranny we live in and achieve true freedom, is to understand societal manipulation AT ALL LEVELS.
    I wonder about that... I introduced two girlfriends to my parents. My dad was kinda okay with it, just saying "nice", but my mom was thrilled and never EVER told me how evil women are/can be. With the first gf I introduced, she spent many hours talking one-on-one at our place while dad and I watched football or something else. Granted, I never gave in to gf's manipulation, atleast not the most obvious ones (I can't go there because I'm sick so you should stay home too, or, I have to work the entire summer so you can't go to your favorite multi-day metal festival... yeah right!), but not a single word from mom, who was positively thrilled that I got a girlfriend.

    Adding to that: I already told my parents about my visions on my future at the age of 16. I didn't see a "huisje, boompje, beestje"-future for myself, which literally translates to "house, tree, animal", aka "married life with kids and a nice garden and a labrador/golden retriever", and my dad just slowly nodded, haha. Mom was kinda worried as to why I wouldn't want that life. Told her I wanted space for myself, the idea of living with a gf/wife 24/7 would drive me mad, and instead of saying something like "well, if that's what you want, you go for that", she said "you'll think different 10 years from now."

    To use a sentence from a 70+ year old gay man: it's still not just a phase, mom!

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    This is what I think too. His skill in using clever academic jargon often ends up hiding that quite well, unless he faces his equal. I once saw him debating David Benatar on antinatalism, his tricks didnt work. Even his fans were pissed off at his behaviour, judging from some of the comments on that video. And we mgtow already know this side of him, because he keeps dismissing us all the time, except some half hearted apology he done some time ago.
    Thank you for sharing - as I thought Benatar swiped the floor with JP. Good work

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    I wonder about that... I introduced two girlfriends to my parents. My dad was kinda okay with it, just saying "nice", but my mom was thrilled and never EVER told me how evil women are/can be. With the first gf I introduced, she spent many hours talking one-on-one at our place while dad and I watched football or something else. Granted, I never gave in to gf's manipulation, atleast not the most obvious ones (I can't go there because I'm sick so you should stay home too, or, I have to work the entire summer so you can't go to your favorite multi-day metal festival... yeah right!), but not a single word from mom, who was positively thrilled that I got a girlfriend.
    Same here - my bitch mother was so happy I bought an Arab girl once who I picked up somewhere and she was discussing how to 'convince' me into marriage.

    Always maintain your suspicions when it comes to cunts.

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Same here - my bitch mother was so happy I bought an Arab girl once who I picked up somewhere and she was discussing how to 'convince' me into marriage.

    Always maintain your suspicions when it comes to cunts.
    This made me chuckle

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    Re: Culpable vs Responsible

    Though they never would of said anything, or done anything, I don't think my parents would have liked having a minority daughter in law. Not much chance of that with us living in a state full a honkies, but they wouldn't a liked it. Different times back then. But except for that, my mom would of welcomed any crack whore I wanted. But it never happened.
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