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    Conjecture: Birth of the New Woman

    Disclaimer: It is based solely on projections/extrapolations of MGTOW/red pill's slow spread in male psyche over the next decade or two. Please provide your thoughts.


    So the birth of the new female. As time goes by and many among us, once having been slaves to blue pill ideology, have embraced and rejoiced in the freedom of discarding gynocentric norms. I think of the effects it could have on the evolution of female biopsychology.

    Having men pursue these females for millennia, women have grown accustomed to function on the premise of disqualification - she collects qualifying points but also deems any predetermined disqualifying aspect of a male as a striking force in rejecting the man.

    As men slowly wake up and discard - including myself (being a former blue pilled cuck) - the female pedestal, women will find themselves in a quarry. When cultural norms start to reflect blue pilled men's attitude and behavior as simping, women will quickly integrate that in their list of disqualifying prospects. I wouldn't be surprised dating sites to say 'no simping' as women now have 'no hook ups/players'. It will effectively rule out a lot of blue pill men out of dating market. At this point these men still get to play the role of beta bux and clean Chad's crusted cum with their loyalty and resource providing skills. But what if more masculine men (as I suppose they will) just start ignoring women and going their own way? I suspect women have no option but to chase men they desire and face rejection themselves. They don't want simps and masculine men don't want them.

    Seems far fetched as the simping is ingrained in male psyche but the tides are turning. Am I being too optimistic here?

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    As long as the government is there to give them money and to support their illusions of independence, I don't think the wimminz have any reason to change. Chads will keep on Chadin', the Simps will keep on simpin'. Sure, there will be a reduction of Beta Wallets, and an increase in Cat Ladies, but unless society collapses, I don't see any major changes on the horizon.

    I think you are being unrealistic, not optimistic. From the MGTOW perspective, it doesn't matter all that much whether or not there is a minor shortage of Beta Wallets. (As long as you aren't one of the wallets, that is.)

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    Re: Conjecture: Birth of the New Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    As long as the government is there to give them money and to support their illusions of independence, I don't think the wimminz have any reason to change. Chads will keep on Chadin', the Simps will keep on simpin'. Sure, there will be a reduction of Beta Wallets, and an increase in Cat Ladies, but unless society collapses, I don't see any major changes on the horizon.

    I think you are being unrealistic, not optimistic. From the MGTOW perspective, it doesn't matter all that much whether or not there is a minor shortage of Beta Wallets. (As long as you aren't one of the wallets, that is.)
    Dramatic fall in purchasing power reduces beta wallets not MGTOW . And money starts from 40k a month !

    Dramatic fall in purchasing power and that it is ridiculous thats the reason
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    Re: Conjecture: Birth of the New Woman

    I had to pause here:

    > When cultural norms start to reflect blue pilled men's attitude and behavior as simping

    I'm not sure it's safe to assume that. In fact, I'd go so far as to replace "simping" with "desirable and normal." I think western culture will continue to push the expansion of the plantation ever forward, to the point where the term "plantation" no longer reflects reality. It will have to be replaced by something a little more-accurate, such as "Nazi Germany Jewish ghettos." We must never lose sight of the fact that women want us a) controlled, b) confined, and c) miserable. All three. That's their end game.

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    Re: Conjecture: Birth of the New Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    I had to pause here:

    > When cultural norms start to reflect blue pilled men's attitude and behavior as simping

    I'm not sure it's safe to assume that. In fact, I'd go so far as to replace "simping" with "desirable and normal." I think western culture will continue to push the expansion of the plantation ever forward, to the point where the term "plantation" no longer reflects reality. It will have to be replaced by something a little more-accurate, such as "Nazi Germany Jewish ghettos." We must never lose sight of the fact that women want us a) controlled, b) confined, and c) miserable. All three. That's their end game.
    Very true. I think women are going to be upset when there's a shortage of simps around to do that heavy lifting they always seem to need help with. Look at how those Jewish ghettos got built. It started with the Nuremburg laws. VAWA looks awfully similar.
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    Basically what will happen is what is happening now; women will all flock to the absolute hottest, most attractive guys. The girls will have sex with the top guys quickly and easily in a vain attempt to capture their interest, but they will never get these guys to commit. So they will just get pumped and dumped by dozens, if not hundreds of guys, until their ability to pair-bond with a man is damaged beyond repair.

    The major shift will come after they hit the wall. Instead of having a good man locked down, they will still be "dating" and single. Except no one will fucking want them anymore. The masculine guys they wasted their best years having casual sex with will move on to younger girls, but the beta's they rejected in their youth will want nothing to do with them either. There will be no bail out for them.

    When you have so many disenfranchised guys in their 20's and MGTOW growing at an exponential rate, you know that's a sign of serious trouble ahead. By the time those guys reach their 30's and older, they will have absolutely zero interest in marriage. The women those men would have married are fucked. They are on their own, and will probably have to work until they die. There will be no welfare or social security checks for them. Even the most miserable, poor, and lonely old spinsters today have it good compared to what the current generation of broken females will have.

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    Re: Conjecture: Birth of the New Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthine View Post
    Basically what will happen is what is happening now; women will all flock to the absolute hottest, most attractive guys. The girls will have sex with the top guys quickly and easily in a vain attempt to capture their interest, but they will never get these guys to commit. So they will just get pumped and dumped by dozens, if not hundreds of guys, until their ability to pair-bond with a man is damaged beyond repair.

    The major shift will come after they hit the wall. Instead of having a good man locked down, they will still be "dating" and single. Except no one will fucking want them anymore. The masculine guys they wasted their best years having casual sex with will move on to younger girls, but the beta's they rejected in their youth will want nothing to do with them either. There will be no bail out for them.

    When you have so many disenfranchised guys in their 20's and MGTOW growing at an exponential rate, you know that's a sign of serious trouble ahead. By the time those guys reach their 30's and older, they will have absolutely zero interest in marriage. The women those men would have married are fucked. They are on their own, and will probably have to work until they die. There will be no welfare or social security checks for them. Even the most miserable, poor, and lonely old spinsters today have it good compared to what the current generation of broken females will have.
    Excellent synopsis Xanthine.

    As long as Beta Males are thirsty and have money to spend, females will have them around. Females are always angry at men because females have no personal accountability, being over-grown narcissistic entitled children.

    1. Beta boy is annoying because he's not hawt and it's nice to have a guy around for rides, free food, and serve as an emotional tampon, but NICE guys are GROSS! EW!
    2. Alpha boy is so amazing GUSH GUSH, I mean, I gets Muh Chemistry and vagina tingles... maybe he'll call? Oh, look it's 3:30am and Chad is on the phone. Oh... sure! Come over!

    Then, she says ALL MEN are PIGS because, well, in her solipsistic world view, Men = Chad. The other guys are just girlfriends with dicks*.
    *When polled, most men say they would sleep with a female friend. We go to women and say "Your male friends want to sleep with you."
    They're response... "Nooooooooo!" Um, sorry. Yes.

    Lurkers:
    Do not be that guy. Do NOT be a girlfriend with a dick. It's *not* progressive or cool or hip. It's weak and pathetic and soy-worthy.

    If she doesn't do for you what your *true* male friends do (give YOU rides, buy YOU booze, ask YOU what YOU'd like to do) then she's not a FRIEND she's a FEMALE you want to FUCK and you're trying to navigate the friend-zone maze for a whiff. Keep score. If she was a MALE and treated you this way, would you still be "friends"? Ever notice that your hip cool feminist girlfriends kind of treat men like shit and call it fair? And then they go off and fuck the very type of guys they moan about on their feminist blogs and vlogs? And then project the bad behavior (aloof, noncommittal) behavior of 10% of the male population (Chads and Cads) onto the REST of men?

    Just take a break from chasing pussy and just think about it for a while.
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Re: Conjecture: Birth of the New Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthine View Post
    Basically what will happen is what is happening now; women will all flock to the absolute hottest, most attractive guys. The girls will have sex with the top guys quickly and easily in a vain attempt to capture their interest, but they will never get these guys to commit. So they will just get pumped and dumped by dozens, if not hundreds of guys, until their ability to pair-bond with a man is damaged beyond repair.

    The major shift will come after they hit the wall. Instead of having a good man locked down, they will still be "dating" and single. Except no one will fucking want them anymore. The masculine guys they wasted their best years having casual sex with will move on to younger girls, but the beta's they rejected in their youth will want nothing to do with them either. There will be no bail out for them.

    When you have so many disenfranchised guys in their 20's and MGTOW growing at an exponential rate, you know that's a sign of serious trouble ahead. By the time those guys reach their 30's and older, they will have absolutely zero interest in marriage. The women those men would have married are fucked. They are on their own, and will probably have to work until they die. There will be no welfare or social security checks for them. Even the most miserable, poor, and lonely old spinsters today have it good compared to what the current generation of broken females will have.
    There is a little more to it , they go for broke , because locking a good man down would still mean misery for them .

    Women is misery .

    To appreciate what you have takes some serious life lessons but the problem is that after those lessons people usually never get up . Especially women .
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    Re: Conjecture: Birth of the New Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    If she doesn't do for you what your *true* male friends do (give YOU rides, buy YOU booze, ask YOU what YOU'd like to do) then she's not a FRIEND
    Sid, I think that's brilliant. A friend should be a friend and behave like one irrespective of either person's sex.

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    Re: Conjecture: Birth of the New Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Sid, I think that's brilliant. A friend should be a friend and behave like one irrespective of either person's sex.
    Yep ! I wanted to give rep for the second time but Unboxxed wouldnt let me as usual
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    Re: Conjecture: Birth of the New Woman

    I remain a bit skeptical of pair bonding. I can understand bonding as a survival strategy for females. Perhaps it should be renamed as survival bonding? There would be many examples of female survival bonding: possibly children bonding (old age security), transfer payment bonding (entitlement), smart phone bonding (social survival), shoe bonding (hedonic survival), etc.

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    Re: Conjecture: Birth of the New Woman

    Is guitar bonding normal for MGTOs? I sure hope so, or I might need help.
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    Joe, only if hide glue is part of the process.


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