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    A common error in red pill tropes.

    A common red-pill trope is that the individual male shouldn't get married because half of all marriages end in divorce and you will loose half of your shit. Although this is certainly true, it is only the surface of the problem. It is in fact a serious understatement.

    The real tragedy is that if you get married, at best, you will only become half as great as you could have been. This is 100% fact!

    At least half of your energy will be spent making her "happy". This includes all of the "successful" relationships you see. Bill Burr, god rest his soul, once said something to the effect of "I wonder how much cool shit never got invented because the guy that could have invented it got married." No truer words have ever been spoken. Sadly, Bill married a feminist. Old Bill is now quickly disappearing, although red-pill Bill comes screaming out every now and then. Bill is in fact, only about half as funny as he used to be. A perfect illustration of this point.

    In any event, what ever you could have been will have been cut in half, just by committing yourself to a woman. Even a good woman, especially in today's world. Instead of staying on your mission, you will spend the weekend repainting the spare bedroom because the Taupe color she bought the first time had a little too much blue in it. Alternatively, you will hire the job out. This obviously further depletes you financially, substantially decreasing your ability to invest that money elsewhere.

    You will pay in either time or money. Money of course is really just time stored up.

    Walk away.

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    There is one problem with the above logic, which makes it very difficult, if not impossible, to explain that to a purple pilled man. I say purple pilled because I am assuming that the guy is willing to listen and reason with you, instead of just getting triggered and running away. I said something similar to a friend to which he replied, not actual quote but the tldr gist :

    ... but then men will feel useless.
    He then continued to tell me how his wife brought mental stability to his life. This is the problem, this guy wasnt going to invent anything to begin with. People like him have only one singular purpose in their life, and that is to be a dog to a woman. This may not be on the conscious level, but subconsciously its very much there. This line of reasoning, that they could've achieved great things if they didnt get involved with women will lose any logical meaning under this circumstance.

    I am an introvert, a rather extreme one. I dont need to talk to people to survive. Loneliness doesnt cause any problems to me, in fact it has the opposite effect on me, I feel reinvigorated. So I instinctively understand what you are trying to say, but when talking things like mgtow to others, they will combine "need for women" with "loneliness" and then the debate will become unwinnable for me.

    Last, but not least, divorces arent very common in India, yet. So things doesnt look as bad, atleast not on the surface. But your argument is true regardless of that fact. Even if all women are unicorn nawalts, its still better to just continue with your interests and passion, the available time, money, energy will be higher, several times in most cases.
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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    I see older married couples in my line of work all the time. The men are fucking miserable for the most part. The women are always miserable too, but they have their poor husbands spending massive amounts of cash to try to make them happy anyway.

    You should see how expensive these women are. The amount of money their husbands spend on their medications, medical treatments and office visits, insurance premiums, etc is often in the THOUSANDS every month. And that's just getting started. They are usually driving expensive cars, wearing expensive clothing and jewelry, carrying expensive handbags, and caking their faces in expensive cosmetics even though they still look like the crypt-keeper. I'm sure there are also lots of other huge expenses, such as the size of house the woman demands or vacations that I cannot see. These women are EXPENSIVE, and they continue to get MORE expensive as they age.

    There is NO return on investment for these men. What they get is a nagging, criticizing harpy who controls every aspect of their lives. They don't get to enjoy their hobbies, especially if those hobbies cost ANYTHING. They don't get sex, as you all know sex for married men dries up very quickly in the vast majority of cases. They don't get emotional closeness or companionship, as most of these women are nearly unbearable to be around. They don't even get a single evening of peace and quiet, without having to hear any nagging or complaining. Their entire lives are consumed by a futile effort to keep their wives happy, and they get nothing in return for it; not even a little respect or gratitude.

    Marriage, whether it works out or not, will cost a man HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. Just think about that for a second. Is there any woman you would pay over a hundred thousand dollars to be married to? The other thing you have to consider is the value of your time and energy. Even if you get a few good years out of your marriage, you'll be responsible for her and her declining happiness for DECADES, or until she divorce rapes you. That's time and energy you will never get back, that you could have used for yourself instead and had something to show for it later on. But instead what you get is a bitter, resentful wife who hates you and spends your money, or a divorce rape that leaves you financially devastated for the rest of your life.

    Either way you look at it, marriage is a lose-lose scenario for men.

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    I abandoned the plantation from the misery it truly is!

    Happiness? My happiness was never a consideration in any of the women I dated and attempted to cultivate a positive relationshit, one after another were too self absorbed to see any and all of my needs, like a vending machine that's broken, no matter how much I put in, nothing came out in spite of the products I could see, to put it simple, women don't serve men, they expect us to serve them and tend to their every need until they realize they're unhappy in that unnatural role.

    Modern women have ruined themselves by narcissistic consumption, they will only turn more devious and decietful as time goes on, it's up to us to end this cycle by abstaining and abandoning any thought of a long term relationshit or tempering one's self to endure the endless narcissistic supply demanded of us.

    They have no idea where all the good men have gone, nor why we left the plantation, it's long past time for men to give up and let the chips fall wherever they may and ignore the ramifications to society, women, children, and family, it's time to step back and let the fires of feminism and gynocentrismn to consume them.

    Sometimes it's better to let the fire consume all so the cleanup doesn't drag out too long, however, we're not cleaning up their mess, that's their responsibility, or dwell in the filthy ashes for all I care, they brought this upon themselves by stepping out of line and becoming utterly outrageous without repercussions as men have been used and abused as blast-bags to absorb all their wrong doing, it's about time the shock wave is allowed to hit and hurt them as it's already ruined us for all practical intents and purposes in regards to relationshits, marriage, and community.
    A woman wanting respect is a person void of the concept.

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I am an introvert, a rather extreme one. I dont need to talk to people to survive. Loneliness doesnt cause any problems to me, in fact it has the opposite effect on me, I feel reinvigorated. So I instinctively understand what you are trying to say, but when talking things like mgtow to others, they will combine "need for women" with "loneliness" and then the debate will become unwinnable for me.
    I am also a very solitary individual for the most part but rarely feel lonely. In fact being around people that do not share my MGTOW outlook is more likely to make me feel lonely than being on my own.

    I believe this concept of loneliness is perhaps one of the biggest drivers for men to pursue relationships with women, maybe second only to lust. Society repeatedly administers the notion that men need women to be happy and reinforces that notion with tales of happy families. It is a difficult concept to divest yourself of – you’ll never be lonely if you’re not alone makes sense before experience shows you the total nonsense of it.

    The men who feel this way have based most of their lives on what they feel is important to attract women, and in doing so have totally neglected personal interests. They therefore have none, other than going out on the pull. Why wouldn’t they feel lonely when they’re alone with no interests or hobbies of their own.

    The “getting a woman will fix this for me” attitude is what these people believe and no amount of discussion will change that. Even after multiple bad experiences this idea is so engrained they do not even question it.

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    For generations men have been taught to ignore or deny self and put all their energy into providing for the family.

    Get married and have a family....forget your needs and desires just go bust your ass at the salt mines. Make plenty of money to house that bitch in a castle, give the crumb-snatching kids all they want. Man up and do this, and while you are at it, pay your damn taxes and just shut the F up about things. Forget what you want or need.....pay up!

    This attitude has been the Norm for many many years in regards to what a Man/Husband/Provider should be and do.
    And multitudes of men will brag to their peers about how good a job they do of it. Many of us were taught these same values... It really is pathetic when you think about it.

    Thank God MGTOW is becoming a beacon of light

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    Well this is a post on a MGTOW forum after all. It is for those who have ears to hear. I wouldn't post any such thing on facebook because of the blue-pill screeching it would produce, especially by the good ol' white knights out there.

    The red pill sounds like it might be different for me than some of you. If a woman of blue-pill myth did exist, I would love to be pair bonded with one. I'm not a loaner like some of you. Everything spelled out in the blue-pill fantasy is very appealing to me.

    When you realize the true nature of women though, you realize you are in love with a fantasy that can not be realized. It with a great deal of regret that I embrace solitude, but I am getting used to it. My father dying brought so many things into focus for me. He died alone in a room surrounded by his "loved ones". It is very much like the Robin Williams quote,
    "I used to think that the worst thing in life was to end up alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone."

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    Like any addictive poison that works on the central nervous system, modern women use this to their advantage against the psychologically we possess called logic, they marvel in their mastery of emotional psychology and how they make drone fools of us with the ability to possess many opposing emotions like a lighting effects switchboard controller and DJ at a disco-tec! A good women would and should follow a man's logic to guide her through her emotional tempest, but they don't, they lean on their own understanding and bring that tempest out into the world of gynocentrism, like a monster coming to life it becomes it's own creature!

    The only remediation we have is to break that cycle by following our logic and the absolutes it offers. They're afraid of us now that we've morphed into such hardened creatures filled with absolute resolve and tempered in the fires of indifference.

    We regain all lost ground and territory stolen by modern women misusing their nature for purposes of malice, gain, and majesty over us. We've broken FREE of the generations of men that fell for it giving ear and obedience to emotion over logic instead of the other way around, they fell for gynocentrism and lost their way.

    These masters of emotional psychology have inundated every bastion of masculinity and perverted in front of us! Telling us what masculinity should be! They even gave Spock a girlfriend and made him cry, I saw that as more perverting and obscuring masculinity and the logic that's inherently built into us! Emotion over Logic= FRUSTRATION! Who wants to lap that up?

    If you think about it, MGTOW is the only logical choice. All other roads lead to the plantation and a world where emotions are the law and logic a 2nd. class citizen! Sound familiar?

    MGTOW: Natural law obeyed to the letter as logic is placed over emotion and the chips fall in proper order and a man can move freely forward.

    MGTOW: We're a broken arrow straight and mended, we fly straight, fast, and uninterrupted! We fly straight through our opposition!
    A woman wanting respect is a person void of the concept.

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    Very good topic gentleman, in a nutshell
    1) 50% will end in divorce, and the man will be divorceraped
    2) A Majority of the other 50% will be miserable, working their arses off as a slave on a plantation

    Looking back at my youth, I was PROGRAMMED to be blue pill. I allowed a gynocentric society to program me. I didn't know any better

    Looking back at these last 12 months, I have learned so much. And to be on topic, is the shocking revelation I had. My married male friends ask me for advice. Their owners might not let them hang out with me, but they look up to me. Im not the loser that allowed myself to be divorceraped, I am the successful prisoner that escaped the plantation. Where I am now, is far better than where they are now, and they realize it every night when they go home to their slaveowners.

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    Yes, how many man lead soul-draining lives, trying to keep the happy lights blinking on that pussy-equipped never-happy machine?
    Women are a poorly designed creature with totally fucked up firmware - it's the price they pay for wanting to reproduce.

    I always ask the question: of the 50% who do NOT see the divorce meat grinder... how many are happy? Fulfilled?
    How many get *good* regular sex? Enjoy doing things with their partner?

    Here is the BIG question: How many remain DEAD SILENT to avoid disturbing or triggering "IT"? How many are living false lives, putting on heirs just for a social puppet show? I've BEEN to these BBQs... all the men acting so cocky and aloof... and I'm like: "Yeah, all these guys are NOT HAPPY! LOL". And I listened to their harpie bitch wives moan and groan about all the shit they want, despite all they shit they have.

    Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe some men like the comfort and consistency of sexless indentured servitude.

    For many, the Blue Pill mantra runs deep, all the way to the bone.

    I know it did for my father.
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    Frank's second point is crucial. Even if you don't get no-fault divorced, you're still miserable. And I think a lot of that misery comes from the realization that you were gamed. Women are great fishers of men. They know exactly what lure each man responds to, and if they don't, they'll dig and dig in every conversation with him to find out what it is, but they'll do it in a way that throws a smokescreen over what's really going on in those exchanges. Unfortunately, men find this out too late -- after the rings are on. Say a marriage lasts for forty years. Say it's satisfying for, I don't know, the first three. So, that's thirty-seven years of realizing every single day that you were played for a chump and that now there's no way out.

    I know almost no married couples who are truly happy. I'm talking about prince-and-unicorn happy. At best, they tolerate each other and try to make the best of it going from one shit situation to the next shit situation every waking minute of every day. Divorce? Nope, because there's no time to be miserable enough to trip that wire. They're just too damned exhausted. Not to mention too damned bored with decades of SSDD. Pathetic.

    Is that any way to live?

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    This thread is one of the best I have seen in awhile. Nothing to add (Except a few of you got more rep!) carry on gents!
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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Sadly, Bill married a feminist. Old Bill is now quickly disappearing, although red-pill Bill comes screaming out every now and then. Bill is in fact, only about half as funny as he used to be.
    I learned of comedian Bill Burr only through youtube where I came to admire him. In a few weeks, I will be attending his show in Las Vegas. I'm flying in that day and flying out the next day. You know, the MGTOW lifestyle. I'll see to what extent Bill still has that zing.


    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I am an introvert, a rather extreme one. I dont need to talk to people to survive. Loneliness doesnt cause any problems to me, in fact it has the opposite effect on me, I feel reinvigorated. So I instinctively understand what you are trying to say, but when talking things like mgtow to others, they will combine "need for women" with "loneliness" and then the debate will become unwinnable for me.
    To me, the word loneliness has always connoted a deficit, a need gone wanting, whereas the words aloneness or solitude did not. I've told people that "I'm alone, not lonely."
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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    I'm not alone, I'm not miserable.

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    To ask to be special to someone means essentially to be bound to the task of making yourself pleasing to this person and therefore to lose your freedom. Take all the time you need to realize this.

    Maybe you now are ready to say: Id rather have freedom than your love. If you either could have company in prison or walk the earth in freedom all alone, which would you choose?

    Anthony de Mello, The Way to Love
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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    First of this thread is a gem, hardly a thread is so clear when it comes of learning how things work...actually I believe it should be a sticky.

    I never been married so unlike many of you I cant really tell how it works except from direct observation.

    The only thing I notice is that marriage is a hard deal mostly in western countries with westerns laws and western culture.

    I believe marriage for many third worlders is actually what blue pilled men try to convince us of.

    As many of you know Europe is currently flooded from middle eastern and africans which clearly live by their own set of rules in most of the cases, well many of those really benefit from marriage.

    How? well they basically have a woman that not only doesnt create problems nor expect the world, instead they just expect to be fed and protected while basically taking away from their men most of the everyday hassles in terms of house cleaning, groceries, shopping, cooking and ironing shirts.

    In those particular cases I believe SOME men may find it useful given the positive cost/benefits ratio and you can be sure that if she becomes unbearable WWE will be in their house and not on TV.

    I believe its not only rotten women the problem despite being it the main reason but the whole setting in which we live that combined really makes it a nightmare.

    I'm cleary avoiding the wall/post wall argument cause you cant cleary fire your kids mom while they still live at home, so again those women really understand that they are bearable as long as they provide something.

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    This is indirectly a comment.
    Today while waiting to check out at the store, I was listing to the two guys in front of me talk about new boat one of them wanted to get. The other replied with this,
    Just follow the 3F rule.
    If it Flies, Floats, or Fucks Rent It.

    Thought on it for a while. Keeping yourself out of expensive entanglements. Marriage being the most costly of all.

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    Blue Pill - relationships are SO MUCH WORK and SO WORTH IT!
    That's the female perspective. She always thinks she's worth it, no matter how much crap she doles out, or how much she costs you.
    Men parroting this notion are just projecting like the penis-equipped ball-less b1tches they are.

    Red Pill - relationships are SO MUCH WORK and not even close to being worth it.
    Most times, you'll bust your ass trying to keep her happy and she just won't be happy.

    Women are broken unhappy machines who want men to make them happy.
    It's like trying to fix an old car with no parts. It just doesn't work.

    Stop trying to make women happy - it's a total waste of your three most precious resources:
    Time, energy and money.

    She's bitchy because she's spoiled and thinks she's equal now. Her innate entitlement has gone malignant.
    She's like a spoiled child who needs not more love, attention and things, but to be sent to her room to sit alone.

    Today's women don't deserve any affection from men.

    But, men stlil dole out affection and the Big Three resources for access to that musky axe wound.

    Men could be so great if it were not for that one Achilles heel that makes too many of them SO pathetic.
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    There is a ton of nuance that is difficult to convey in the soundbyte version of modern red-pill philosophy. The return on investment for the average society conditioned individual is going to be a personal net loss.

    Consider the man who walks in the footsteps of his elders only to realize he is walking on a thin ice lake. Though he could fall through to his death at moment he sees the other footsteps and continues his walk on the lake.
    He bought into the lie, and to a great extent failing to figure out himself before stepping onto the ice.

    The travesty here is exactly what you stated......how many aborted dreams transpired due to misdirected energy? I'm not sure if this is a solvable feature of society.
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    Re: A common error in red pill tropes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Free and Clear View Post
    There is a ton of nuance that is difficult to convey in the soundbyte version of modern red-pill philosophy. The return on investment for the average society conditioned individual is going to be a personal net loss.

    Consider the man who walks in the footsteps of his elders only to realize he is walking on a thin ice lake. Though he could fall through to his death at moment he sees the other footsteps and continues his walk on the lake.
    He bought into the lie, and to a great extent failing to figure out himself before stepping onto the ice.

    The travesty here is exactly what you stated......how many aborted dreams transpired due to misdirected energy? I'm not sure if this is a solvable feature of society.
    That sir, is the golden nugget, AKA transfused wealth taken from one and given to another on pretenses hatched by moving the starting line and controlling the narrative as to whom has greater needs while arrogantly dismissing the others needs.

    Women are masters of manipulation by positioning themselves and creating wealth with a stick and a carrot in one hand and a legal whip in the other, women have been advantaged over men artificially thereby creating massive social dysfunction from instilled narcissistic personality disorders with psyche meds to lubricate and soften the enormous lack of self esteem as they fill their lives and souls with bitter emptiness as those with half a brain and an ounce of dignity have long abandoned their sick intoxication.

    Yea, I've had a few dreams stolen by bandits full of artificial honor and dignity only to find they are liars and can't be trusted.
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