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    Claim of dehumanising

    Like a mosquito in a nudist colony, I don't know where to start but I suppose I will proceed by first clarifying the title of the thread. I have often seen women fall to the tactic of shifting a conversation about prostitution in the past and in the recent past sex dolls to the hardly defensible position that these things partaken in by men is dehumanising to women as a whole.

    First off, I don't know anything that is more human than sexual intercourse, I think as a defining trait dolphins are ranked second to humans in our recreational use of sex. So it does seem that its actually a defining trait of humanity to have sex and hence it can't be considered otherwise.

    Secondly, they come from some sort of perch of moral superiority by claiming such things are reprehensible if it gives pleasure to men but alright if its a woman getting her rocks off....seems like a double standard to me. Same goes for porn where they claim that the role play done is somehow indicative of the sexual preferences of the majority of men.

    Furthermore, the only reason why sex was frowned upon in most societies and was because of religious perspective that such things required the sanction of the religious leaders to be deemed acceptable but that is a position they clearly despise,so I am left to wonder from where they get this perception that intercourse is always about some evil man using his genitals as a weapon to intimidate women.

    Hence, I have come to the only rational conclusion that is possible to arrive at from the observations made and that is the reality that their goal is not to prevent women from being dehumanised (as that is evidently a none argument) rather it is to control male sexuality, its expression and consequently male sovereignty. What do you guys think I know I didn't do a complete job so would love to see your perspectives.

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    When you throw female perspectives in the trash where they ought to be, all the mental knots become untied to proper perspective and rational thinking. He who follows a women has a fool for a guide!
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    African Daoist, I share your conclusion, ultimately it is about controlling men. The women are fearful of losing the only thing they have left to offer, the vag. On some level, they see a future of poverty and misery looming while men go their merry way.

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    Doggy style will become illegal but woman will continue to fuck dogs .

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    Women rely on persuasion but of course how long does that last? An older and wiser man will covet freedom the older he is in my opinion. Such techniques don't work on older men as time becomes more precious on earth.

    You stop worrying about what others think of you less and less which actually leads to greater growth as a man paradoxically. And as a man you move away from the high school mentality that you must be liked by everyone and seek approval by everyone.

    They can't control male sexuality when it is leveraged with resources and experience. All they can do is use persuasion, false masks, and other illusions. That is why you have to laugh how overt and obvious the chain that they try to use to bind men onto. Not just women in general but all of society that assumes men are not capable of critical thought. But critical thought springs into motion when a man looks at his bank account and realize he is trading time for money but how do you gain back time lost?

    Seeking pleasures in life is paramount to freedom as a man IMVHO.

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    Intercourse used to be the ultimate population control of nature .

    It made sure only the strongest procreate and then never live past 30 yo because of STDs preventing overpopulation .

    And the weakest thus the most intelligent would live longer and become the intellectual leaders of progress .
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    When you throw female perspectives in the trash where they ought to be, all the mental knots become untied to proper perspective and rational thinking. He who follows a women has a fool for a guide!
    Said by someone that believes in god

    For women their logic makes perfect sense and is the only right way to live without suffering . They have completely different set of rules they live by .

    If the womens` rules began to apply to you tomorrow you would think and act exactly like women do .

    Women could never compete with males for food straight .
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    I agree with the other who've stated that it's all about control. The idea is to control anything+everything men do.

    But a darker side of control is subjugation. Women want men under their jackboots. They view them as nothing more than useful (and inferior) life forms, exactly the same way the Nazis -- and the "closet Nazis" that sill exist in some parts of Western Europe -- viewed and still view Jews. They view men as things with resources to drain for their own security and amusement, and then to dispose of before moving on to their next victims.

    As more and more men wise up to this conspiracy, fewer and fewer will marry and have children. Societies will age, fewer and fewer people will be around to work, and their economies will stagnate and eventually collapse. This will be a snowball process, because who wants to start a family in a country that's already well on its way to the dumpster? That will mean less and less young, employable people, which will accelerate the decay, because those would've been the ones to start families and keep the societal framework viable.

    In parallel with this, foreigners with far different moral codes will begin to flow in, either by purchase (e.g. the Chinese with its staggering trade surplus), by "soft invasion" (e.g. Mexican and middle-eastern invaders conquering the United States), or by direct assault the same way Nazi Germany invaded Poland.

    Terrible, terrible things are going to happen to individuals during that time. Which sex is going to get scuffed up worse as this process unfolds? Take a guess. I guarantee that "hate speech," for example, which is nothing more than truth that women prefer not to hear, will quickly fall off their list of top concerns. Same thing for "safe spaces," sex-neutral pronouns, and the rights of homosexuals and lesbians and people who undergo surgical mutilation to attempt to look like the opposite sex. None of that will be even a blip on the radar of someone's daily priorities. There will be far more-urgent matters to attend to.

    Some of us are safe, and some are not, depending on individual age. Those 40 years old and under are going to be in for a rough ride in their senior years, I'm sorry to say.

    The effects of today's actions can be disastrous down the road. That's my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    I agree with the other who've stated that it's all about control. The idea is to control anything+everything men do.

    But a darker side of control is subjugation. Women want men under their jackboots. They view them as nothing more than useful (and inferior) life forms, exactly the same way the Nazis -- and the "closet Nazis" that sill exist in some parts of Western Europe -- viewed and still view Jews. They view men as things with resources to drain for their own security and amusement, and then to dispose of before moving on to their next victims.

    As more and more men wise up to this conspiracy, fewer and fewer will marry and have children. Societies will age, fewer and fewer people will be around to work, and their economies will stagnate and eventually collapse. This will be a snowball process, because who wants to start a family in a country that's already well on its way to the dumpster? That will mean less and less young, employable people, which will accelerate the decay, because those would've been the ones to start families and keep the societal framework viable.

    In parallel with this, foreigners with far different moral codes will begin to flow in, either by purchase (e.g. the Chinese with its staggering trade surplus), by "soft invasion" (e.g. Mexican and middle-eastern invaders conquering the United States), or by direct assault the same way Nazi Germany invaded Poland.

    Terrible, terrible things are going to happen to individuals during that time. Which sex is going to get scuffed up worse as this process unfolds? Take a guess. I guarantee that "hate speech," for example, which is nothing more than truth that women prefer not to hear, will quickly fall off their list of top concerns. Same thing for "safe spaces," sex-neutral pronouns, and the rights of homosexuals and lesbians and people who undergo surgical mutilation to attempt to look like the opposite sex. None of that will be even a blip on the radar of someone's daily priorities. There will be far more-urgent matters to attend to.

    Some of us are safe, and some are not, depending on individual age. Those 40 years old and under are going to be in for a rough ride in their senior years, I'm sorry to say.

    The effects of today's actions can be disastrous down the road. That's my point.
    There are no jobs for those young people and will be less and less .

    Add to that that companies completely stopped training on the job from zero without prior qualifications . 15 years ago every job ad was we train from zero .

    Its a good thing that people are not having children .

    The people that write in calligraphy will make up for that dont worry

    The economies will not collapse , they already collapsed 11 years ago and now they are putting make up on the corpse so it looks good for the fun-eral
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    There are no jobs for those young people and will be less and less .

    Add to that that companies completely stopped training on the job from zero without prior qualifications . 15 years ago every job ad was we train from zero .

    Its a good thing that people are not having children .

    The people that write in calligraphy will make up for that dont worry

    The economies will not collapse , they already collapsed 11 years ago and now they are putting make up on the corpse so it looks good for the fun-eral
    They already have something new for us and it will be very nice im telling you

    You will see what was it like in Soviet Union . It started with prohibition of plastic straws , soon the plastic bags will follow cause we are littering the oceans . And so on ...

    Soon you will be wearing the same clothes for 5 or 7 years lol just like it was in Soviet Union . Children of today will see it
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    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    I agree with the other who've stated that it's all about control. The idea is to control anything+everything men do.

    But a darker side of control is subjugation. Women want men under their jackboots. They view them as nothing more than useful (and inferior) life forms, exactly the same way the Nazis -- and the "closet Nazis" that sill exist in some parts of Western Europe -- viewed and still view Jews. They view men as things with resources to drain for their own security and amusement, and then to dispose of before moving on to their next victims.

    As more and more men wise up to this conspiracy, fewer and fewer will marry and have children. Societies will age, fewer and fewer people will be around to work, and their economies will stagnate and eventually collapse. This will be a snowball process, because who wants to start a family in a country that's already well on its way to the dumpster? That will mean less and less young, employable people, which will accelerate the decay, because those would've been the ones to start families and keep the societal framework viable.

    In parallel with this, foreigners with far different moral codes will begin to flow in, either by purchase (e.g. the Chinese with its staggering trade surplus), by "soft invasion" (e.g. Mexican and middle-eastern invaders conquering the United States), or by direct assault the same way Nazi Germany invaded Poland.

    Terrible, terrible things are going to happen to individuals during that time. Which sex is going to get scuffed up worse as this process unfolds? Take a guess. I guarantee that "hate speech," for example, which is nothing more than truth that women prefer not to hear, will quickly fall off their list of top concerns. Same thing for "safe spaces," sex-neutral pronouns, and the rights of homosexuals and lesbians and people who undergo surgical mutilation to attempt to look like the opposite sex. None of that will be even a blip on the radar of someone's daily priorities. There will be far more-urgent matters to attend to.

    Some of us are safe, and some are not, depending on individual age. Those 40 years old and under are going to be in for a rough ride in their senior years, I'm sorry to say.

    The effects of today's actions can be disastrous down the road. That's my point.
    Case in point:

    Dealing with western women is like playing Russian Roulette with a Colt .45 model 1911 (automatic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    They already have something new for us and it will be very nice im telling you

    You will see what was like in Soviet Union . It started with prohibition of plastic straws , soon the plastic bags will follow cause we are littering the oceans . And so on ...

    Soon you will be wearing the same clothes for 5 or 7 years lol just like it was in Soviet Union . Children of today will see it
    Alik is right. Consider Moldova. It used to be a vacation spot for rich Russians. Now it's poverty-stricken and in an advanced state of decay because of political corruption and outright theft of public funds. Know what young women are used for? Sex slavery. No worries there about hate speech or gender equality in Moldova, I guarantee you. Venezuela, same deal; it used to rich with oil, and now it's just another shithole because some morons whose only interest was themselves decided to mess with the successful status quo. No worries about safe spaces or those evil men in Venezuela, I guarantee you. North Korea, same deal. Some people eat grass as their diet, and are routinely less than 24 hours away from death by starvation. No worries about too few women in management or engineering in North Korea, I guarantee you.

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    We need a huge montage* of dildos, vibrators & the whole plethora of sex toys for women. Then we can just point all hypocritical bitches to it every time they complain about men fucking sex toys/dolls.

    * A quick and dirty version:

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    Re: Claim of dehumanising

    I agree with Tower. If how I choose to amuse myself is offensive to someone then they don't need to participate. If what I do bothers them, that's their personal problem not mine. You don't like football because it's too violent, then don't watch football. You don't want me banging your sister? Then don't watch! And if your sister is a snow-blower...
    "Don't follow in my footsteps. I stepped in something."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Alik is right. Consider Moldova. It used to be a vacation spot for rich Russians. Now it's poverty-stricken and in an advanced state of decay because of political corruption and outright theft of public funds. Know what young women are used for? Sex slavery. No worries there about hate speech or gender equality in Moldova, I guarantee you. Venezuela, same deal; it used to rich with oil, and now it's just another shithole because some morons whose only interest was themselves decided to mess with the successful status quo. No worries about safe spaces or those evil men in Venezuela, I guarantee you. North Korea, same deal. Some people eat grass as their diet, and are routinely less than 24 hours away from death by starvation. No worries about too few women in management or engineering in North Korea, I guarantee you.
    Thanks god its a very slow process .

    We hope it is
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    I was reading a writeup by andrea dworkin where she was trying to equate sadomasochism perpetrated I some pornography as somehow indicative of the sexual preference of all men. But every normal person knows that its a niche sexually and the percentage of individuals that participate in it of both sexes is miniscule compared to the general population. And also what of the women who enjoy being dominatrix' are they also going to be tarred with the same label as the evil menz?


    Personally I believe most mgtow can easily see through the bullshit for what it is but the lurkers may gain a thing or two by weighing our input on the subject matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoidberg View Post
    We need a huge montage* of dildos, vibrators & the whole plethora of sex toys for women. Then we can just point all hypocritical bitches to it every time they complain about men fucking sex toys/dolls.

    * A quick and dirty version:

    There is no outcry of dehumanisation when its a male anatomy or body under consideration though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    When you throw female perspectives in the trash where they ought to be, all the mental knots become untied to proper perspective and rational thinking. He who follows a women has a fool for a guide!
    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    African Daoist, I share your conclusion, ultimately it is about controlling men. The women are fearful of losing the only thing they have left to offer, the vag. On some level, they see a future of poverty and misery looming while men go their merry way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Women rely on persuasion but of course how long does that last? An older and wiser man will covet freedom the older he is in my opinion. Such techniques don't work on older men as time becomes more precious on earth.

    You stop worrying about what others think of you less and less which actually leads to greater growth as a man paradoxically. And as a man you move away from the high school mentality that you must be liked by everyone and seek approval by everyone.

    They can't control male sexuality when it is leveraged with resources and experience. All they can do is use persuasion, false masks, and other illusions. That is why you have to laugh how overt and obvious the chain that they try to use to bind men onto. Not just women in general but all of society that assumes men are not capable of critical thought. But critical thought springs into motion when a man looks at his bank account and realize he is trading time for money but how do you gain back time lost?

    Seeking pleasures in life is paramount to freedom as a man IMVHO.
    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    I agree with the other who've stated that it's all about control. The idea is to control anything+everything men do.

    But a darker side of control is subjugation. Women want men under their jackboots. They view them as nothing more than useful (and inferior) life forms, exactly the same way the Nazis -- and the "closet Nazis" that sill exist in some parts of Western Europe -- viewed and still view Jews. They view men as things with resources to drain for their own security and amusement, and then to dispose of before moving on to their next victims.

    As more and more men wise up to this conspiracy, fewer and fewer will marry and have children. Societies will age, fewer and fewer people will be around to work, and their economies will stagnate and eventually collapse. This will be a snowball process, because who wants to start a family in a country that's already well on its way to the dumpster? That will mean less and less young, employable people, which will accelerate the decay, because those would've been the ones to start families and keep the societal framework viable.

    In parallel with this, foreigners with far different moral codes will begin to flow in, either by purchase (e.g. the Chinese with its staggering trade surplus), by "soft invasion" (e.g. Mexican and middle-eastern invaders conquering the United States), or by direct assault the same way Nazi Germany invaded Poland.

    Terrible, terrible things are going to happen to individuals during that time. Which sex is going to get scuffed up worse as this process unfolds? Take a guess. I guarantee that "hate speech," for example, which is nothing more than truth that women prefer not to hear, will quickly fall off their list of top concerns. Same thing for "safe spaces," sex-neutral pronouns, and the rights of homosexuals and lesbians and people who undergo surgical mutilation to attempt to look like the opposite sex. None of that will be even a blip on the radar of someone's daily priorities. There will be far more-urgent matters to attend to.

    Some of us are safe, and some are not, depending on individual age. Those 40 years old and under are going to be in for a rough ride in their senior years, I'm sorry to say.

    The effects of today's actions can be disastrous down the road. That's my point.
    In this day and age consequences are considered sexist or old fashioned

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    When you throw female perspectives in the trash where they ought to be, all the mental knots become untied to proper perspective and rational thinking. He who follows a women has a fool for a guide!
    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    African Daoist, I share your conclusion, ultimately it is about controlling men. The women are fearful of losing the only thing they have left to offer, the vag. On some level, they see a future of poverty and misery looming while men go their merry way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Women rely on persuasion but of course how long does that last? An older and wiser man will covet freedom the older he is in my opinion. Such techniques don't work on older men as time becomes more precious on earth.

    You stop worrying about what others think of you less and less which actually leads to greater growth as a man paradoxically. And as a man you move away from the high school mentality that you must be liked by everyone and seek approval by everyone.

    They can't control male sexuality when it is leveraged with resources and experience. All they can do is use persuasion, false masks, and other illusions. That is why you have to laugh how overt and obvious the chain that they try to use to bind men onto. Not just women in general but all of society that assumes men are not capable of critical thought. But critical thought springs into motion when a man looks at his bank account and realize he is trading time for money but how do you gain back time lost?

    Seeking pleasures in life is paramount to freedom as a man IMVHO.
    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    I agree with the other who've stated that it's all about control. The idea is to control anything+everything men do.

    But a darker side of control is subjugation. Women want men under their jackboots. They view them as nothing more than useful (and inferior) life forms, exactly the same way the Nazis -- and the "closet Nazis" that sill exist in some parts of Western Europe -- viewed and still view Jews. They view men as things with resources to drain for their own security and amusement, and then to dispose of before moving on to their next victims.

    As more and more men wise up to this conspiracy, fewer and fewer will marry and have children. Societies will age, fewer and fewer people will be around to work, and their economies will stagnate and eventually collapse. This will be a snowball process, because who wants to start a family in a country that's already well on its way to the dumpster? That will mean less and less young, employable people, which will accelerate the decay, because those would've been the ones to start families and keep the societal framework viable.

    In parallel with this, foreigners with far different moral codes will begin to flow in, either by purchase (e.g. the Chinese with its staggering trade surplus), by "soft invasion" (e.g. Mexican and middle-eastern invaders conquering the United States), or by direct assault the same way Nazi Germany invaded Poland.

    Terrible, terrible things are going to happen to individuals during that time. Which sex is going to get scuffed up worse as this process unfolds? Take a guess. I guarantee that "hate speech," for example, which is nothing more than truth that women prefer not to hear, will quickly fall off their list of top concerns. Same thing for "safe spaces," sex-neutral pronouns, and the rights of homosexuals and lesbians and people who undergo surgical mutilation to attempt to look like the opposite sex. None of that will be even a blip on the radar of someone's daily priorities. There will be far more-urgent matters to attend to.

    Some of us are safe, and some are not, depending on individual age. Those 40 years old and under are going to be in for a rough ride in their senior years, I'm sorry to say.

    The effects of today's actions can be disastrous down the road. That's my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joetech View Post
    I agree with Tower. If how I choose to amuse myself is offensive to someone then they don't need to participate. If what I do bothers them, that's their personal problem not mine. You don't like football because it's too violent, then don't watch football. You don't want me banging your sister? Then don't watch! And if your sister is a snow-blower...
    Under normal circumstances with a rational actor that should be the case however they deem themselves arbitrators of all male-female interactions and as the new priesthood they are the only ones who can state what us lowly plebs can engage in for recreation. These females are truly deluded but they keep getting positive reinforcement for their poor arguments from society....meanwhile things are crumbling in the background.

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    It's totally about controlling and limiting male sexuality. In fact, I would take it one step further, and say that it is straight up hatred towards men.

    Anything that men enjoy, whether it's sexual or not, is under constant attack. Masculinity itself is under constant attack. They don't just want to keep our options limited so that we continue transferring our resources to them. They want to completely emasculate and destroy us. They want to eliminate any source of happiness, and strip us of our legal rights and protections.

    Western society has become toxic to males. It's insane what a man has to go through these days just to live a healthy life and protect himself. MGTOW is not just the answer; it is the only way forward, and the only choice left for rational men. If anyone is being dehumanized in society today, it is MEN.


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