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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by ubermensch View Post
    I'll be fine with making sandwiches for my hypothetical (mythical) wife, as long as she's happy to die, writhing in flames, after being subjected to a flame thrower assault during the upcoming global war in the Middle East.

    I'll stay home.

    And not be on fire.

    Making sandwiches.

    It's only fair, after all ...
    ubermensch, I don't know you, but really? Here in the states, out of a country of 310 million people, less than a million serve in the military. Talk about the 99%..... Even your flame thrower reference is about 60 years out of date. We are not about to draft women....heck we are not even going to draft men.

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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    But you already are taking care of somebody else's children. You know all those single moms? Who had children from guys that gave them the tingles? Whose money is pay for their food stamps, health care, and subsidized rents? Yours.
    True, but I don't have a choice in that. I pay my taxes and, unfortunately, I have little control over how they are spent.
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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    More on this today: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2015/0...-her-feelings/
    Gregoire lists a variety of punishments wives should use against their husbands whenever their feelings are hurt. These range from the wife breaking things she associates with her hurt feelings (like the TV), to making him sleep on the couch, denying sex, or leaving with the children. She also does a dance around threatening divorce. She doesn’t say to threaten divorce, but she strongly suggests that not imposing these other punishments will ultimately lead to divorce. This leaves divorce as the reserve threat while claiming not to be supporting divorce

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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Not that I would get married with US law as it is, but I'd love to see the reaction on a woman's face when a man tells her he won't get married because it is actually women who fear commitment.

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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    ubermensch, I don't know you, but really? Here in the states, out of a country of 310 million people, less than a million serve in the military. Talk about the 99%..... Even your flame thrower reference is about 60 years out of date. We are not about to draft women....heck we are not even going to draft men.
    It was meant to be tongue in cheek to make a point.

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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    ubermensch, I don't know you, but really? Here in the states, out of a country of 310 million people, less than a million serve in the military. Talk about the 99%..... Even your flame thrower reference is about 60 years out of date. We are not about to draft women....heck we are not even going to draft men.
    they will have to draft women during the collapse.

    they'll be the only ones who haven't renounced their citizenship and went inna woods.

    I was gonna say the men would also declare war, but that would preclude the fact that war has already been declared on men to begin with.
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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Running Man View Post
    Dalrock wrote a lot about the gynocentrism of the modern religion and church. His articles are great. I don't always agree with him on everything, but I have to say, he's one of my favorite bloggers.
    Yep - I'm agnostic, leaning towards atheist, but Dalrock's articles and many of the comment there are gems.
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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by ubermensch View Post
    It was meant to be tongue in cheek to make a point.
    I'll re calibrate my sarcasm meter.

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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    I'll re calibrate my sarcasm meter.
    I really need one of those. Where did you get yours?

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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by KingofWisdom View Post
    Not that I would get married with US law as it is, but I'd love to see the reaction on a woman's face when a man tells her he won't get married because it is actually women who fear commitment.
    yeah... you got a very good point there, Program..... why else would they seem to need an "exit strategy"??? (as if they expect the marriage to fail in the foreseeable future -- then again, I see "no-fault" divorce as a mark of unwillingness to "work" on the marriage... I may have no dates to my credit, but to me.. a marriage is always going to be "a work in progress".... at least, until the "'til death do you part" bit comes to pass...)
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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by KingofWisdom View Post
    Not that I would get married with US law as it is, but I'd love to see the reaction on a woman's face when a man tells her he won't get married because it is actually women who fear commitment.
    Women can't KEEP a commitment, so why should men MAKE one? Ha! I like that one!

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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Churches desperately want to believe their flocks marry more and divorce less, but the truth is they're about 8% or so lower in the divorce rate numbers. It's statistically significant, but only if you ignore the church group-think and "shame factor" that divorcing people go through. Basically, if you were "doing church right" and "worshiping and obeying god right" and "living according to scripture" and "blah blah blah" you're going to have a joyful marriage full of piss and bliss. If you're getting divorced, it's your fault, and if you're the man, you get 90% of the blame for not running a proper Catholic or Christian household. I would imagine divorcing couples often leave the church, or the man leaves giving the woman the option to stay. I would never tolerate the staring and whispering if I was divorcing and showed up alone, or started sitting on the opposite side of the church.

    Lucky for me, I stopped going to church a long time ago, so I didn't have to face the whole "divorcing at church" scenario. I've heard it can be very alienating. It's another liability for a man really. As friends will divide, perhaps the congregation will as well. If she puts word on the street you drank too much, or were abusive, or sexually deviant, or used porn, or or or .... it would be very easy for her to destroy your reputation among the congregation. I found divorce to be a very lonely process, but it was because I had little or no social connections beyond my own family and the extended family. My family is very small compared to the extended family. That said, I was not in a lot of social groups "as a couple" outside of the extended family. This includes sports teams, clubs, church, organizations, etc. So, there was no "division of friends" in that regard (aside from one circle of friends that was no great loss anyways). There was also no "Who gets to stay in the ___________ club." Game going on.

    One day I had a wife and family and two kids and the next day I was a single dad with shared custody of two kids. So, in my case there were advantages and disadvantages to having few social connections outside of the extended family unit.

    In any case, back to the 8% statistic. I believe that "divorce shame" in churches means a few more people on the churchgoing side are going to stay married even though divorce is wanted or even unavoidable. They stay miserable in marriage to avoid losing that social connection, or perhaps they really do believe that divorce is just wrong and that "good people" stay miserable and fight the good fight, but never divorce. I'm not putting these people down, per se, but I am suggesting that "divorce shame" could well be a factor in the 8% statistic. The other factor could be the emphasis on "not divorcing" because good Catholics / Christians don't do that.

    I've always thought of marriage this way. 50% end in divorce.

    So let's take the remaining 50%. How many of those are happy marriages? How many are BAD? How many are loveless/sexless "tolerate you / room-mates agreements"?

    I think maybe 5 - 10% of married couples have two happy people in them. At best.

    Since women initiate divorce 75% of the time, one could postulate that in marriages where one partner is "not happy", 75% of the time it's HER. She's not haaaaaapy.

    Anyways, fuck marriage. Never doing that shit again. Worst idea I've ever had in my life.

    Instead of making a woman happy, I'll just move a badger into my house and try to make THAT creature happy.
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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    @sid
    Program... you do pose some good arguments... in fact, I'm someone who thinks that the pro-marriage "Life Script" might have outlived its usefulness.. or has simply become no longer functional in the wake of women having more options in life than they did just over a century ago......
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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    This is just it. Women have careers now and can support themselves, in between male partners anyways. Women talk about "wanting to be in that special relationship with their best friend" tripe that you read on dating sites. Thing is, they all seem to still have this idealized fairy-tale view of marriage or cohabiting: happily ever after. There is no happily ever after because intelligent people know relationships take quite a lot of work, effort, and this terrible little word called *compromise*. I was dating a woman a long while ago who said that she compromised in her first marriage and would "never compromise again". Um. Okay. So don't compromise, but then your partner won't either, and you're going to bail.

    The bottom line is that women will leave now for the most frivolous of reasons, but the man is still bound to the contract he entered into with her and the state.

    People should be allowed to live together and opt out of these contracts, and not just passively. They should be able to basically call themselves room-mates who fuck. You'll still have child support because it's designed for the children, but child support should be handed out in vouchers that have a limited scope of use. You can't buy alcohol, cigarettes, shoes and little black dresses with child support money. Women on Facebook have been known to show off "baby I'm worth it" purchases they used child support money for, and even admitted to where the money came from. That should be completely illegal.

    But this idea the state can say that I am entering into a state-defined marriage contract by cohabiting is just insanity. This needs to end. If a man wants to sign his life away and pay alimony for his unfaithful housewife, then that's his business.

    Another (insane) law that any children she conceives from adulterous affairs are the responsibility of the home's PATRIARCH! Well, if feminism really wants to smash patriarchy this is the absolute first thing they should be lobbying against. France abolishing paternity testing is a convenient way around the fact that men have wised up and realized far too many of us are raising other men's children. Chad's children.

    There is just no way to spin marriage/cohabitation with a "modern" woman - especially in North America - that makes it an acceptable risk.

    I know in life you need to take risks to get ahead, and to find happiness. For me, living with a woman has some perks, but MOSTLY it's a rather large pain in the ass. I mean, doing activities is nice, cuddling nice, sex is nice... companionship - it's all good. The wanton spending, the arguments over money, her always wanting more more more bigger better nicer. Gotta reno the shit out of a perfectly good house - and then move to a new house. And then reno the shit out of THAT house. Why. For woman feelz and "nest building" instincts. Fuck me, kitchen cabinets are never the wrong color. Any color is a nice color. Women around here make it sound like if you have an older house with golden oak cabinets you're a second class human being. Gotta have the 2" granite. Why? All the shit they want to spend on... and they're making all of the financial demands but hypergamy says in most cases he's bringing home the lion's share of the family income. He earns it, she allocated it. He provides the financial resource, she burns it away and even more on credit. Taking out loans to renovate kitchens, buy vehicles and have wardrobes full of clothes. It's just a financial fucking nightmare for a middle to upper/middle class man. We make decent money, okay. Six figures and change. So what? The cost of everything is so fucking high that our dollar buys less than ever before.

    So, if a guy can have relationships with women that involve activities, dating, movies, snuggles, camping, biking, doing stuff with kids... sure why not. Meet up and play. But go home to your own homes at the end of the day.

    Any woman who says "Where is this relationship going?" is saying "When are we moving in together so I can increase my spending power by 300%".

    Also note that her spending power (accessing a HOUSEHOLD INCOME woo hoo) is going to more than double, while you wanting a new set of "stupid" golf clubs is going to cause a fight. In that year, she'll spend more on purses and shoes that your golf clubs cost.

    From a financial standpoint alone, it's just a total shit sandwich of a deal. Hugs and feels are nice. Don't marry or cohabit to get them. If anything, the hugz and feels stop after 6 months once there are "his and hers" keys to the place. Does this mean that for many women sex, love and intimacy is really just a bait for snagging a resource provider?

    Sadly, that's the way it looks if you scrape the blue pill icing off the cake.

    Anyways, back to work.
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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Sid , of course all the hugs and kisses and some sex is just a trap . Love.

    Nature doesnt care about you ...nor your laws , wishes , dreams .
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    Sid , of course all the hugs and kisses and some sex is just a trap . Love.

    Nature doesnt care about you ...nor your laws , wishes , dreams .
    Yep. Love is conditional. Very, very conditional. And the conditions suck as they are unfair. That's the biggest side effect of the red pill.
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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    here is a long paper on single people by asbury seminary. http://place.asburyseminary.edu/cgi/...=asburyjournal

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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by jso View Post
    just another way in which religion is a ruse. big santa claus living in the sky, judging you invisibly but letting your wife do whatever the fuck she can think up. a man who is working his entire life away doesn't even realize the viper living in the home he pays for.
    this paraquote sums it up nicely..
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    Re: christian wives giving up on this whole marriage deal (awalt)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangent View Post
    thats not a "man"... thats a slave...
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