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    Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    I read a comment to an article on Dalrock's very Christian themed site that I just had to repeat here. He was referring to the constant man up and step up rituals being pushed in evangelical circles; prompted by fathers day exhortations to do better as men and as fathers. Here it is:

    "These ostensible Christians have all found or soon will, that there is no level of groveling self-abasement or man hating that feminists will consider adequate. All men can be sacrificed on this altar without gaining one ounce of righteousness before the women they seek to conciliate. It will never be enough. Never.

    Wake up boys. There ain’t no end to this ride. You’ve got to jump off."

    I can't think of a better MGTOW exhortation. You can't do enough for women to ever have them treat you as a human being, so just abandon hope and jump off the ride. We who have jumped off the ride will welcome you.

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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    I red the same article, I think it was called "Hair shirts and Chest thumping". Anyway you're quite right, there is no limit to the humiliation a feminist will impose on men under their influence. If I had to explain why, I think its because feminist women hate themselves. Thus they hate any man who pedestalizes them since they view that man as under them. I don't even think they view these so called good men as human beings.

    As much as I hate to say it modern churches are nothing more than tinder for reformed sluts. The women sin and who gets the blame? The man that led them astray. But the men who try their hardest to live up to the virtues promulgated by the bible get the fire and brimstone.

    If you have pride as a man don't give even a damn millimeter to a feminist, they'll take a mile.

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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    Years ago, back when I was married, I remember the pastor of the megachurch we were attending referring to single mothers as "heroes" and saying how we should "consider it an honor to help them." The entire place erupted with applause. Even in my blue pill haze, this didn't sit right with me.

    Now that I'm an deconverted outsider, the whole bash men/praise women dichotomy makes a lot more sense. In short, church women are a bigger source of revenue than men are. I would guess that in the majority of mainstream churches, women are contributing 75% of the tithe dollars that come in on Sundays. So from a pastor's perspective, it makes complete sense to placate the twats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Years ago, back when I was married, I remember the pastor of the megachurch we were attending referring to single mothers as "heroes" and saying how we should "consider it an honor to help them." The entire place erupted with applause. Even in my blue pill haze, this didn't sit right with me.

    Now that I'm an deconverted outsider, the whole bash men/praise women dichotomy makes a lot more sense. In short, church women are a bigger source of revenue than men are. I would guess that in the majority of mainstream churches, women are contributing 75% of the tithe dollars that come in on Sundays. So from a pastor's perspective, it makes complete sense to placate the twats.
    I hate to say it but the bulk of the money in the tray is from men; deluded, mangina, blue pill men. These males (not really men) are so deep in the blue pill matrix that they think bash men and praise women is absolutely correct. That women are more spiritual and closer to god than men is obvious. That leader servant is the way to be a good father and husband, so you must do what ever the woman wants to properly "lead" her.

    The pastors know that in almost all cases it is the wife that is deciding to attend church, and which church to attend. It is the same as why TV caters to women's delusions; women make 80% of the purchasing decisions in the US. Advertisers don't give a shit about the male demographic, since they don't spend the money. Men may make a dollar for every $.77, $.85, or $.70 a woman makes (depending on the lie the feminist chooses at the moment), but she spends 4 times as much as that same guy. Inter-gender transfers of money are always ignored in feminist circles. Of course for most of them they get no voluntary transfers from men so they may have overlooked it. They do get their share of the forced transfers extracted from men by the government at the pointy of a gun. That is why the feminist movement strives to ever increase the size and reach of government; it is the way they get served by men that would otherwise not piss on them if their guts were on fire. They forget that a government that is big enough to give you everything you need, is big enough to take all you have.

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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    I have religious friends who have been deeply burned by following their faith "doing the right thing" and wife-ing up someone who later ruined their life. On the bright side word is getting out there and as a selling point long term commitments are losing ground.

    One thing worth paying attention to is an increase or changes to the codified tax systems in place. I predict the shortfall from dudes refusing to pay for women's shit is going to be the catalyst for welfare reform at least in western nations. Any of us that make a decent living will be targets for involuntary wealth transfer.
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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    As an ordained Christian minister, and an active member of some Christian groups, I can attest that more and more Christian men are waiting much longer to get married or are deciding to be like Paul and be single and celibate for the remainder of their lives.

    There are far too many false doctrines in this modern day and age that give young Christians that they can "live like the world" and still be right in the eyes of God because "Jesus died for my sins, so as long as I confess them, I'm good". WRONG. This, unfortunately, translates, especially for young Christian women, to hopping a ride on the cock carousel once they leave home to go to college. Then after they are done with college and somehow back under the influence of their families, they decide to "play Christian" again. The damage is already done though. Even with forgiveness in their hearts, many Christian men find it difficult if not impossible to look at a woman who has lay with many men and consider her wife material.

    The result is more and more Christian men holding out looking for a "pure" woman to make a wife of, and holding out takes years and years and years...and eventually it's just too late. Fortunately for we aging Christians, life brings experiences and learning and we understand the benefits of being single and celibate and giving our devotion to God, not to the institution of marriage. Paul was definitely on to something.

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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Free and Clear View Post
    the shortfall from dudes refusing to pay for women's shit is going to be the catalyst for welfare reform at least in western nations. Any of us that make a decent living will be targets for involuntary wealth transfer.
    Do you mean more tax, or something more sinister?
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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    In respect of doctrine, Mt 5:8 makes it clear that a woman gets married once - once - in her life. Remarriage, in the eyes of God, simply doesn't count as a marriage at all and is adultery.

    Therefore, any church performing weddings for divorced women is a false church. It's a simple litmus test. Furthermore, any remarried divorced woman and any subsequent husband of one is living in unrepented sin and will go to hell along with all the other adulterers.

    The fact that they do it anyway demonstrates that they, quite simply, don't really believe it. Not really.

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    What I do not understand is why do a lot of these Christian churches advocate for legal marriages recognized by the state when a ceremonial, religious marriage is all that is necessary?

    The fact that a state has to come in to recognize a marriage (again) which is already recognized by an authority, body, church, etc makes no sense. So, what is the deal? Are the tax benefits and partner privileges that important to keep western economies going? Don't they realize that there is diminishing returns by going to this well one too many times?

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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Unwanted View Post
    Do you mean more tax, or something more sinister?

    I meant more tax; usually it's easier to justify taxes in a crises situation (healthcare; affordable housing) and stick the bill on anyone who can afford it. Although it's illegal to make a man-tax, when you hit certain income thresholds in a progressive tax system you get a defacto tax on the higher earning gender.


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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    On Father's Day, I was at church. The preacher was an old man with a good low voice. He was not being factual; he was entertaining in an understated and caring tone.

    He was saying a lot of stories. He was combining facts and feelings; very inconsistent. He was like Johnny Cash.

    There are a lot of old men at church. Many old men still like church. Like them, I enjoy church. Church is a familiar environment.

    The men at church should not be respected. They are old and irrelevant. Many of the old men are married. I think most old men are not single. Single old men do not go to church.

    Many old married men are not able to use the Internet to learn things or share information. They are accustomed to going to church. Men should not be social to learn information; rather, men should simply learn information.

    I think there is more to say about conservative, traditional men and information. Some conservative pop-culture talks about how traditionalism is about remaining in same profession ('same thing I've always done') with the same ideas. Many military songs are also about fighting for freedom, despite the fact every war since Vietnam has used soldiers for foreign policy and "geopolitical" decisions. (This is how a prefer to think about it: Every war since Vietnam has been another Vietnam.)

    There is truth to some stereotypes. Stefan Molyneaux recently talked about men with better bodies are more often conservative. According to this inforation, these body types (and hormonal compositions) are often correlated with brain ability or types (and these decisions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Free and Clear View Post
    I meant more tax; usually it's easier to justify taxes in a crises situation (healthcare; affordable housing) and stick the bill on anyone who can afford it.
    Extra tax can be coped with. As everyone knows, increasing the rate of taxation lowers the return. Work becomes pointless and the whole system grinds to a halt. They still haven't figured out how to tax free time.

    No, I was worried about Sharia or the State allocating you a wife whether you wanted one or not. "Here is a bloated hate pig and her six chadspawn. You are now responsible for them!"

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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    The reason why a lot of Christian churches require an interview before they marry a couple it is to see if the couple are on common ground for a holy union. Often times when a man is marrying a lower status woman the church priest will conduct a thorough interview. The priest has the right to decline to perform the ceremony for the couple for any reason he sees fit.

    If you think about marriage it is often discussed from the business side of things with arranged marriages as a contract between two families. But marriage from a religious point of view isn't a contract between two families but a contract with the church and the divine.

    I find it interesting that a church is more willing to do vetting of potential couples to marry compared to the state which will marry anyone off (sadly necrophillia/pedophillia is probably coming up next).

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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    I know of one church that did non-official marriages but when it came to relatives of the preacher, then the official legal marriage was required for the daughters. Have to give them credit - they did look out for male members of the church by doing religious marriages only but when it came to their own female relatives getting a legal / financial advantage over the husband, they became feminist . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    What I do not understand is why do a lot of these Christian churches advocate for legal marriages recognized by the state when a ceremonial, religious marriage is all that is necessary?

    The fact that a state has to come in to recognize a marriage (again) which is already recognized by an authority, body, church, etc makes no sense. So, what is the deal? Are the tax benefits and partner privileges that important to keep western economies going? Don't they realize that there is diminishing returns by going to this well one too many times?

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    The only surface conclusion I can come to as to why there is overlap in agreement when it comes to religious institutions pushing for state sanctioned marriage along with the state is due to child well fare costs.

    Single mothers are not only a burden to the state but also religious institutions. As others have pointed out already it is the men that bring the financial clout to prop up a lot of these religious institutions. It is disgusting that it is one giant racket where they are colluding with each other to keep the gravy train going.

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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    Sometimes I think that single mothers (together with drug addicts, the "deprived", and the unemployable) ARE the State.

    We need that MGTOW Republic.
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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    My favorite is the born again slut who allegedly has an epiphany and DECLARES her secondary virginity.

    Conveniently in her post-wall phase. When her SMV value has tanked and the Alpha Fucks are DONE with her. Now she is, of course, looking for some Beta Provider Boy.

    Secondary virginity?! Ha ha ha, make me laugh!!!

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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    I am atheist, but I am pretty sure the bible says, "I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. the man who pleases god will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare."

    Any time some preacher says to get married or whatever, tell him to quote Ecclesiastes 7:26 and then say that practically every woman fits that category.

    Hell, they've become so bad that even a supposed sinner like me chose to avoid them.
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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    What I do not understand is why do a lot of these Christian churches advocate for legal marriages recognized by the state when a ceremonial, religious marriage is all that is necessary?

    The fact that a state has to come in to recognize a marriage (again) which is already recognized by an authority, body, church, etc makes no sense. So, what is the deal? Are the tax benefits and partner privileges that important to keep western economies going? Don't they realize that there is diminishing returns by going to this well one too many times?
    The church does not have any legal enforcement power, no ability to coerce physically, just morally. When you ask permission to get married from the government, you are not marrying your partner, you are marrying the government.

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    Re: Even Christian Men are taking the red pill

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Ma-Niac View Post
    I am atheist, but I am pretty sure the bible says, "I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. the man who pleases god will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare."

    Any time some preacher says to get married or whatever, tell him to quote Ecclesiastes 7:26 and then say that practically every woman fits that category.

    Hell, they've become so bad that even a supposed sinner like me chose to avoid them.
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