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    I give up on childfree men

    I thought this was an interesting post. It sounds like she knew the guy was not interested in mariage and / or a family but thought she could use her feminine charms to change his mind.

    I just broke up with my S/O of three years. He's childfree strictly by choice, and mine is (not by choice at all but I can't be honest) a bit of choice and circumstances (dodgy genes). At first, he seemed amenable to the idea of getting married or living together (I thought I could change his mind) . He finally told me that he doesn't want to do either (I tried for 3 years) -- that he just can't share his personal space with anyone, that he's too "set in his ways." I'm devastated, because I loved this man (but he turned out to be a damn Mgtow).

    I (need to make myself feel better so will shame him) can't help but to notice that there's almost always something "off" about a lot of childfree men -- not all of them, but a lot. I've been down this road soooo many times before. I have dealt with hermits, men with serious OCD (my ex had this, too), men who couldn't stand their families, men who had no relationship with their families, men who didn't have any friends, men who were socially inept ... there always seems to be something really broken about this group. Detached from the rest of the world. Emotionally unavailable. And I hate to use the word, but yeah, they're selfish. (Two of my exes now have "oops" babies that they don't want, and it hasn't changed a thing about them.)
    I'm a warm, generous person. I love my family and my friends, and I believe in contributing equally and taking care of my mate until the day he dies (I'm not like that). And I keep ending up with these cold, odd childfree men who manage to f*ck my world up. I know some childfree couples who dearly love each other, but they are far and few between.

    I'm crying my eyes out right now. It's a wash. I give up. I used to think that I couldn't date single dads, that it would drive me nuts. Now I'm (running out of options) thinking that maybe I've been too judgmental.

    (And no, this is not a troll post. I really wonder ... are most childfree people like this? Am I one of the exceptions?)
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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    For Whom the Hypergamy Bell Tolls.


    Choosing to disbelieve in gravity as you jump off a ten story building wont make your landing any less messy.

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    LOL! Since she's a 'warm, generous person' then it doesn't matter how many exes she's had or how much emotional baggage she's left with due to all those failed relationships or how old she's gotten. It's that man who's flawed. The Government should make him marry her!

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    They will never understand that they are the selfish ones.
    Marrying a woman is like taking a shit upside down every day for the rest of your life. Don't do it!

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    "They don't serve my purpose" = There's something wrong with them
    It's always that easy for them, isn't it!

    (Two of my exes now have "oops" babies that they don't want, and it hasn't changed a thing about them.)
    It hasn't changed their characters, but it sure has changed their lives -- in terms of finance, in terms of time, and in terms of freedom.
    And when her lips so sweetly move
    The soul such height attain,
    You're free, yet would no longer rove
    But lay you down in chains.

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    funny how she words that.

    "she" is the one "giving up."

    instead of the truth. no one gives a fuck about her.

    she should have thought about that before she made the mistake of turning 30 and hitting the wall.
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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    It never fails. These women who hit the wall always blame men. It is their fault.

    No introspection. No asking what did I do to cause this. They are the victims.

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    Hey I'm a single childless man in my 40's I guess I'm selfish too, well F off cupcake newsflash for ya I'm not selfish because I do not want to provide for your post wall ass and your fuck trophy from another alpha encounter. Quite the contrary instead of wasting resources on you and your alpha spawn I choose to do nice things for family, friends and give to charity, oh and of course treat myself very well. So enjoy your lack of dating options cupcake after all you can always return too carousel riding.

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    I've been down this road soooo many times before.
    And what's the common factor, babe?

    There is a world full of blue-pillers out there who will marry up and give a baby to pretty much anything with a pulse. But this chick just keeps playing out the same script over and over.

    The thing is just how common and ordinary this story is.
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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    I'm not going to reference any of them with links, but there seems to be a larger push for 'childfree acceptance' among women these days. Funny how most of those pieces get a bunch of reciprocal validation about how women don't have to choose marriage and motherhood.

    But Men? What's wrong with us? If men are not looking for a woman to wife up, even if you've been stupid enough to marry before (I was, 1 time, never again), there is something wrong with you and you're just hateful, childish, irresponsible, and obviously not a 'real man' - even if you're divorced (and had children) and are not risking it all for some special unicorn NAWALT a second time.

    If you don't want to date. You're weird. If you don't want to date single/divorced mothers (instant new family to provide for), they criticize as well. Women may hear a lot in their personal lives about all these expectations of marriage and children by their friends and family, but they are getting far more acceptance. How many women are being accused of being hateful and selfish and childish if they don;t want to marry or reproduce? Not many.

    And single mothers? You see little if any criticism of women who do not want to date single fathers. But men, refuse to date a single mother based on that as part or all of your decision, and you are considered as one of the lowest. Cheap. Unwilling to 'give a single mom a chance' - cause their sooooo awesome and amazzing!

    But child free men are a problem. Whatever!

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    Ok. We men who actually have our children don't want an extra one to take care of.

    Yeah, yeah, I know you implied you would "take care" of your man.

    All of you make similar representations. Ready sex. Support. Comfort. That all stops once we're duped into marrying. Unless we're able to locate an actual NWALT, which, let's face it, that's not likely to happen.
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    You just have to love women these days. First off let's look at the obvious, which is women are always trying to change men. A guy says that he does not want kids or to get married. First thing in a woman's head is "Well he will change for me" or "I'll change him". Never satisfied with the way her man is right now, always wanting something different or more. I don't know any man and have only heard of a few that actually sets out to change the women that they are with. What really shows the remarkable brainpower of these women is when they don't get their way they blame everyone else for it. I mean after all I don't think this bitch spent the last 3 years with this guy and just found out he did not want kids or to marry.

    Something these women should try is to not always try and change these men. If she wants marriage and kids, then find a guy that wants the same thing, not all men are MGTOW's after all. However this is far to complicated of a task for some twat that is about as sophisticated as two marbles rolling around in a tin can. So she has to move on to the next step which is shaming. Now thankfully since all the other women will chime in along with a few mangina's to boot, she does not have to place too much attention on this. Truthfully she can have the attention span that most women have, which is that of a monkey chewing on a fly swatter. If a woman takes up with a guy half her age then she is empowered. If a guy takes up with a woman half his age or younger then he is a creep or a perv. If a woman does not get the kids or marriage that she wants, then the man is a selfish pig. If the guy does not get his new car (with his own money) or that fishing trip then he is being a spoiled brat and is a selfish pig. If the guy wants to stay on his own, once again he is the selfish pig.

    Men will often times define success in different ways. One may may define success as having the most stuff, or the most money. Other men will define success in the friends they keep or living out an adventure. Men have all different kinds of things to define success and cheer on another man's success. If I state that my character on Skyrim finally made it to level 50 then any man will cheer my success. The same way I will cheer another man taking a sailing trip up and down the east coast. From what I have noticed women only have two real ways of defining success and both involve men. One is what man did that women get as in having a kid by him or marrying him. The other way is by divorcing him and bragging about what she took from him and how much she will continue to take from him.

    I guess men just think differently than women do. BeijaFlor often posts about his sailing trips which I read with much joy. Not just joy for him that he is able to do that, I also feel joy in that a fellow man has be able to achieve his goal. However some woman out their is looking at BeijaFlor on his sailboat and thinking to herself "that boat should be mine". The sad part is that it is not actually the sailboat she wants, is what she wants is for BeijaFlor to stop enjoying himself without the company of a woman. Some of the best times I have had was simply kicking back with my friends having a BBQ and playing horseshoes. While doing this we often reminisce about the past and even make plans for future stuff. However not one of us are envious or jealous if that reminiscing does not include one of us. We simply cheer each others good fortune and hope for more of that good fortune to fall on all of us. I don't buy a dinner for my friends because I owe it to them, I do it because I have the money and want to. At the same time my friends are not trying to find out how many dinners they can get out of me and will often return the favor in other ways. I just don't see these qualities in women, in fact I see quite the opposite. Think about it this way, if your best friend treated you like any woman you have been with, would you still be friends with the guy? Chances are you would not. Today's woman is not just upset that we are not sharing our loot with them. These women are upset that we have a very full and happy life without them. This is something that most women cannot do on their own.
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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prisoner View Post
    These women are upset that we have a very full and happy life without them. This is something that most women cannot do on their own.
    I'm reminded of the old joke; "Why do women close their eyes during sex? Because they can't stand seeing a man having a good time."

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    My best friend in the world, I've known him for 22 years. That's most of my life. We've been friends since kindergarten and I don't see that trend ending anytime soon.

    Anyway, he was seeing a single mother for a while. This was slightly before I discovered red pill philosophy, but even then I knew that single mothers were bad news, especially the ones in our age bracket. The sad thing is that once you make the decision to not date or deal with single mothers, you have pretty much taken yourself out of the sexual marketplace. At least, around here you have. This woman, she had 3 children by the ripe old age of 29. My friend was unemployed at the time, so he had a lot of time to watch daytime TV (I can already hear most of you puking a little). If I had a day off, I'd come over and we'd watch Bill Cunningham, Maury Povich and the rest of those idiots and have a blast laughing at their "guests". So you'd think he would know exactly the kind of woman he was dealing with, right?

    Nope. Like most young men, the promise of pussy made him put up with a lot of stupid shit. She'd invite him over on a fairly regular basis, but wouldn't go beyond second base with him. I told him exactly why: some other guy was fucking her and she just didn't want him to go anywhere because he served another purpose. Maybe the kids liked him (he's good with kids) and she wanted a babysitter (unemployed, lots of time). Eventually he got sick of it and ended up doing it all over again with another single mother who introduced him to her child right away. That was a huge red flag, prime manipulation tactic. He put up with a lot of shit from her, too, even though the kid cockblocked him every time he went to see her. Poor bastard. And guess who she was seeing that entire time? The kid's father, of course ('baby daddy', as they say around here). Because he was just getting out of jail, you see. And how does he and by extension I know about this? Well, she called him quite a few times for the express purpose of having him tell this guy that she hadn't fucked him yet. Or to prove something else since he was always accusing her of lying (couldn't imagine why).

    To his credit, he doesn't deal with any of them anymore. And if I catch him considering another single mom, I'm not going to hesitate to throw all of this back in his face. 'You idiot, don't you remember when X?! ASMALT!' Go to hell, single mother who wrote that post. You're not worth investing the time, money or effort a single, child free guy has. Go work it out with the child's father if you want marriage, commitment and all that jazz. What's that? He doesn't want you, either? Tough titty. As another member here likes to say: "Bed. Made. Lie."

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    Its strange how these women think that turning you inside out for their own purposes is somehow 'reaching out' to you.

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes View Post
    I'm not going to reference any of them with links
    Link, dude - link away. Every link from here to another site is a google hook that may lead someone here.

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    “I'm crying my eyes out right now. It's a wash. I give up.”

    Typical clueless bitch. Hey sweetheart, instead of following the above recipe for success why don’t you try this one instead:

    Take a hard look in the mirror for the source of past problems. Accept that. Make a DECISION to do something different. Put in the hard work and sacrifices required. Apply perseverance and patience. Realize a different and better outcome.

    Unfortunately, women are intrinsically incapable of such an approach. They make reptiles look like an advanced species.

    Carry on, gentlemen.

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRecipe View Post
    They will never understand that they are the selfish ones.
    A few comments down, she adds this little bit of info:

    I have had wonderful relationships with men who wanted to be dads, or who already were. It just seemed like they were more flexible with their time, more giving of their emotions. I dunno, they were just more well-adjusted and normal. There was one single dad who was awesome.

    But no, stupid me. I told myself that his kids would be too much of a burden on me, so I didn't let myself get involved. Now I feel so judgmental.
    And who's the selfish one? Reading between the lines, she doesn't want to be with a guy who has to share his resources with other people. This limits her options a bit, as I imagine she's well into her 30's.

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    One time I had a first date with a woman I met on match.com in 2004 who had kids with another man. Since I did not drive but used public transit to get to her place that was halfway a between Baltimore and DC. So by the time I get to her place and see she has her teenaged fuck trophies over there, I see that I am basically stuck there for the night.

    Anyway, it irked me to no end that she invites me over for a first date the weekend her teenage fuck trophies are over there. Yeah, I might has well have gotten something out of the date, so I did bang her later that night.

    Anyway, a few days later, I had to ask, "why do you invite me over the one weekend you have your kids?" She says, "we're a packaged deal." I say, "nice knowing you," and throw her number in the trash.

    She knew I was childless and did not make the money to be some provider boy dunce. So for her to have scheduled the one of two weekends she had her fuck trophies over was a deal breaker for me. End of story.

    My preference for dating single Mom's: if I am gonna date one then I prefer their kids are in high school with their lives and all. Otherwise forget about it!

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    Re: I give up on childfree men

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post

    Anyway, a few days later, I had to ask, "why do you invite me over the one weekend you have your kids?" She says, "we're a packaged deal."
    Translate. Single moms' guy times are....
    1. after work before she has to pick up/deal with the kids (1-2hrs weekday) If you are in this class, it's probably for drinks/eat out .. no sex, yet.
    2. weekends she doesn't have the kids. if you are "new" and she has to have childless times to 'get to know you' before screwing you
    3. weekends that she has the kids. last phase. knows you well enough where she can call you over for booty call, and not have to spend childless 'date time' with you anymore. or if she thinks you're not worth being in the #2 class.
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