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    BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    Those who know me here know I'm not a Ghost. Nothing against Ghosts; MGTOW is a large tent. But I want to stay connected to people for work, for finding people to laugh at my stupid jokes, and the rest of it. HOWEVER.... I do want to reduce my connections to toxic elements. I've written about Breeders - the mess of the "modern family", happily inconveniencing others around them - and I've talked about how to avoid/confronting such types. I've spoken about how to spot the signs of a carouseler. Live freely and enjoy the people that matter, even strangers that are promising -- but minimize connection to that blue-pill friend who rhapsodizes women even though he's been burned a few dozen times by BPD chicks, and reconsider supporting organizations like ESPN that talk down to men.

    But in all this, I have ignored the 800 lb gorilla in the room. And that is the State.

    It's the State that has pushed men to the brink of suicide (and beyond) during family court proceedings where a man is torn away from this children and treated like a second class citizen. It's the State that backdoor financed feminism as a means of keeping the population divided and controllable; as a kind of cultural marxism that's part of a much larger repertoire of there's for 'subtle' control of the people in an allegedly free society. There may be a day that men get off their collective ass and learn to fight for themselves the way women have politically, but until then- it's NOW and other feminist orgs that have commanded the attention of the courts, the politicians, and the corporations (like Intel who set aside massive sums to hire ONLY women). The State and the large private entities that together run this country have sided with feminists; and it may be decades before we are able to match their influence.

    Some have thought to retaliate by working less, but while this starves the State, it starves oneself too. No, what we need is a mechanism, a platform that allows us to sit apart from the State and those who manipulate it and those that co-rule with it.

    Bitcoin began in 2008 as a whitepaper by someone with the psuedonym "Satoshi Nakamoto". In this post, I won't go into gory detail about it's nature (there are many, many sources online)- in short, it represents a private, decentralized digital currency - an alternative to State-managed currencies. Technology improves ever year in terms of technology and its use for real-time transactions is not far off.

    More interestingly, the entire field of cryptocurrency (Bitcoin being just one example), is building a WHOLE, NEW ecosystem to parallel the existing one. Their ecosystem is decentralized and respects privacy. Every day, a new app is released built on Crypto- such as instant messaging, or e-commerce. But on these apps, the user is in control. On a site similar to Facebook, the crypto equivalent does not share or sell your private information. YOU earn money when people upvote your posts. The Crypto Universe is turning the existing one on its head; the builders carry the values of freedom, independence seriously and it's baked into every new crypto asset/app I see. For those familiar with how intel agencies have hacked into everything we have including our smartphone cameras (even when they are off), you realize why it's important to draw a line somewhere.

    The State has lost the trust of men.

    I know there are plenty of MGTOWs who've basically given up and want to do bare minimum; they decry every opportunity to improve their lot using some rationalization that boils down to "fuck it" because it's easier that way. So be it. For those ready to embrace change and make the best out of the situation, the new, emerging crypto-ecosystem represents an opportunity not to mutter at the shortcomings of the world as it is, but create a new world, one that respects the individual - that sits OUTSIDE the purview of the State. The Crypto eco-system is global in nature; almost all projects teams are scattered throughout the world. It is not connected to any land and not connected to any State or networks that sit behind the State and control it.

    There will come a time where one's membership to a particular crypto-tribe will supercede one's obligations to the State; where the individual will only perfunctorily do what's necessary to keep the State off his back; but his culture, values, community - in short everything that really matters - will trace back to the crypto-tribe. Our loyalties to our physical nation, and whoever happens to control it and ram their ideology down our throats will matter less and less when we don't use money they can confiscate, and we use applications they cannot monitor.

    We can rebuild our environment and our daily experience without having to contend with the inertia of the modern environment. The Crypto eco-system offers a chance for men to reduce their dependence on the State and on the status quo environment.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    What was I talking about regarding shitposts and brainless responses. The link has nothing to do with cryptography or ANYTHING in the post.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    We know not to sign a marriage license with the State, so if you do ever find a young, impressionable virgin bride to have your children, you need to convince her that having sex IS getting married, the way God meant it to be. A lot of Christians and other believers believe that.

    You also need to convince her to make the promise before God to be married without the State getting involved at all because they just want authority to interfere and take your children and property away. That's pretty much what you're giving them when you sign the marriage contract. Without it, the State won't recognize the marriage, but who gives a shit? God is the ultimate authority for Christians, the States approval isn't needed. Leave out the part that it also makes it easier for her to take all your stuff in a divorce.

    If you are the first to have sex with her and make her orgasm and can do so consistently, all before she hits 25, she should be emotionally attached to you enough to be bonded to you and trust you completely despite your flaws unless you are an abusive alcoholic or something or that puts it on her to be the main breadwinner and head of household and decision maker.

    Obviously, the State can figure out how to screw you over anyway, if they want to take your property and children they can, and some have common law marriage rules to give them the same authority over you anyway, which is why living out in a low population area seems like a good idea. Especially if you can farm. I'm from the Old Confederacy originally so that's kind of how we are, won't work for everyone but it has it's benefits.

    Low property tax and few Police around. Any kind of purple pill relationship counselling to keep the Police form ever being called to your property in the first place is a wise investment because even the best wife is still emotional and irrational at times.


    As far as Bit Coin and other crypto currency, I keep my eye on it, but still prefer silver and gold for now. Last time I checked, a lot of computer nerds were trying to invent their own and flooding the market.

    It's still worth studying, the differences between them. Etherium is one that has people talking because it works a little different. I would invent my own if I had coding skills and market it slightly differently to people like us and Libertarians and Sovereign Citizen types.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangent View Post
    We know not to sign a marriage license with the State, so if you do ever find a young, impressionable virgin bride to have your children, you need to convince her that having sex IS getting married, the way God meant it to be. A lot of Christians and other believers believe that.

    You also need to convince her to make the promise before God to be married without the State getting involved at all because they just want authority to interfere and take your children and property away. That's pretty much what you're giving them when you sign the marriage contract. Without it, the State won't recognize the marriage, but who gives a shit? God is the ultimate authority for Christians, the States approval isn't needed. Leave out the part that it also makes it easier for her to take all your stuff in a divorce.

    If you are the first to have sex with her and make her orgasm and can do so consistently, all before she hits 25, she should be emotionally attached to you enough to be bonded to you and trust you completely despite your flaws unless you are an abusive alcoholic or something or that puts it on her to be the main breadwinner and head of household and decision maker.

    Obviously, the State can figure out how to screw you over anyway, if they want to take your property and children they can, and some have common law marriage rules to give them the same authority over you anyway, which is why living out in a low population area seems like a good idea. Especially if you can farm. I'm from the Old Confederacy originally so that's kind of how we are, won't work for everyone but it has it's benefits.

    Low property tax and few Police around. Any kind of purple pill relationship counselling to keep the Police form ever being called to your property in the first place is a wise investment because even the best wife is still emotional and irrational at times.


    As far as Bit Coin and other crypto currency, I keep my eye on it, but still prefer silver and gold for now. Last time I checked, a lot of computer nerds were trying to invent their own and flooding the market.

    It's still worth studying, the differences between them. Etherium is one that has people talking because it works a little different. I would invent my own if I had coding skills and market it slightly differently to people like us and Libertarians and Sovereign Citizen types.
    A lot of status quo thinking; remember- your assumptions about the State and what it can do are valid for the present-day, but we're not talking about today. The point of a thought experiment is to begin your assessment of what could be possible when the state knew less about us, when people routinely used side-channels instead of the state methods.

    Bitcoin's usage relative to silver/gold really has little to do with the core point; but that's perhaps my mistake of not fully explaining the crypto ecosystem that's forming. The point isn't just hustling around with non-fiat currency; it's to build a new structure parallel to the existing one. That's not possible by walking around with gold bricks.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    OK now I get it. I go off on tangents sometimes. I got into a serious thing about the State and marriage there mostly. LOL.

    Money we have that the State or banks has no clue about or control over that's also virtual. We can use it to buy and sell anything. We can also freely exchange it for cash or numbers on a server in our checking accounts or gold if we want to, giving us total control over it.

    No telling what the State and banks and Federal Reserve would try to do to stop us from having that control.

    What of crypto currency replaces regular money after it all collapses and you can't buy or sell without it so it's the mark of the beast? Christians often ponder such things.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    Certainly. The Fed will not take this sitting down. Crypto has many vulnerabilities- its decentralization is a strength and a weakness as there is no central organizing committee. Consensus can sometimes be too slow to tackle defenses agaisnt the ruling party of govt & bankers.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    If the Fed keeps printing money then Crypto currency becomes more attractive and also the weaknesses of crypto can be overlooked.

    However, governments like China have been involved in influencing bitcoin. But the Chinese government only allows bitcoin to be used if linked with a bank card. So, crypto currency like bitcoin is very attractive in western countries seeing you still maintain anonymity unlike in China for now.

    EU was built upon an economic union and it would not surprise me to see crypto nations being built as a result in a decade or so.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    The new cryptocurrency is the old currency. The almighty vagina. The Elite are played out
    once we refuse to fuck on command.

    The state has been pushing for women to take it over since 1905, first with womens' suffrage,
    then voting rights, then on and on and on with their bullshit. Bankrupting successful men and
    dragging them down to their level.

    There was a reason the Trivium was taken from our private education system in the mid 1800's on a
    nearly global scale.

    If men do not understand nor employ the Trivium (Logic, Grammar, Rhetoric) then the oppressed (feminists)
    become the oppressors(government), whilst those who give all (Men) would be asked for more
    than is possible. Slavery 2.0!

    ibid. Hitlery Goddamn Cunton. The future is female?

    me: I fucking doubt that bullshit.

    Thank the nameless deity who protects and teaches masculinity to men,
    otherwise everyone with a penis which doesn't detach would be a slave by now.

    I've never met a MGTOW who falsely accused another MGTOW unless a woman was involved.

    Just saying....

    Jagr, thank you for this site.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    @Tangent:

    All men ponder such issues, women rarely do when they have a man to dispose of and another on the hook.

    Jesus said, follow me and I will make you fishers of men.

    Lillith said, fuck me and I will make you followers of women you can fuck.

    The difference between Lillith and Jesus is this:

    One came to set you free. The other enslaved you with your desire to use your penis.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    Bitcoin.

    First: bitbcoin is not private or anonymous. The blockchain is public.

    Second: if I were the state, I'd respond to bitcoin by inflating its value with printing-press money and then crashing it. Buy a f-ton of it and then sell it all. Repeat as necessary.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Bitcoin.

    First: bitbcoin is not private or anonymous. The blockchain is public.

    Second: if I were the state, I'd respond to bitcoin by inflating its value with printing-press money and then crashing it. Buy a f-ton of it and then sell it all. Repeat as necessary.
    I read somewhere that the FBI owns the majority stake in Bitcoin. Can anyone else confirm this?

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    wouldn't surprise me. Any virtual money that's anonymous could also be owned by Government and we'd never know. Then they will figure out a way to de-stabilize it and make it worthless.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Bitcoin.

    First: bitbcoin is not private or anonymous. The blockchain is public.

    Second: if I were the state, I'd respond to bitcoin by inflating its value with printing-press money and then crashing it. Buy a f-ton of it and then sell it all. Repeat as necessary.
    It's important not to be glib. Records of transactions/TX are public on the blockchain but those do not contain personally identifying information. You probably should have mentioned that. Concerned about the govt. getting your information from the exchange you bought the coin from; your public address and then tracing your TX from there? Try a distributed exchange like BISQ or buy OTC from localbitcoins and the like. Further, if you actually read what I wrote, it should be clear that Bitcoin is not the end all, be all of Crypto. Take a look at ZCash, Monero regarding crypto that has additional privacy features.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangent View Post
    wouldn't surprise me. Any virtual money that's anonymous could also be owned by Government and we'd never know. Then they will figure out a way to de-stabilize it and make it worthless.
    That's loser talk. Only the ranks of the MGTOW undead think like this because they assume everything will fail. The great thing about Cynics is that they feel content ditching possibilities without even educating themselves. It is the world of "meh. fuck it. everything's going to shit." What a life. Read about the size of the global shadow economy (black market) and its move to crypto; 22% of the WW GDP. Its drift to crypto has the potential to offset artificial gyrations.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    That's loser talk. Only the ranks of the MGTOW undead think like this because they assume everything will fail. The great thing about Cynics is that they feel content ditching possibilities without even educating themselves. It is the world of "meh. fuck it. everything's going to shit." What a life. Read about the size of the global shadow economy (black market) and its move to crypto; 22% of the WW GDP. Its drift to crypto has the potential to offset artificial gyrations.
    Global shadow economy with crypto 22%? That is very interesting because I was under the impression it was under 10%. And it is interesting to note how quickly Japan and Russia moved to accept bitcoin and then China followed suit.

    Bitcoin is merely opening the door kind of like how napster did back in the day. It is going to change everything we know of when it comes to currency.

    Many old timers I talk to lament greatly how the American dollar is not backed by gold and how you can't walk into a US bank to trade in US cash for gold.

    Currency has had a longed storied run in human history but crypto currency is going to change everything we know about currency moving forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    That's loser talk.
    You shouldn't insult fellow members. The mods will ban you. :P

    Southerners have an inherent distrust of Government in general, both State and Federal. I just can't see them not interfering with anything good we have, any kind of freedom, especially if they think we could use it to avoid taxes.

    If crypto currency turns out to be a legit way to fly under the radar, I'll happily join in and eat a big ol' plate of crow.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    still, nobody has any reference to what I disclosed about the FBI owning a majority share of Bitcoin?

    The value of bitcoin is the exchange of work performed, verified by blockchains. (put simply)

    Exactly what work is worth that much money?

    I suspect it is automated cracking of passwords.

    Think this one through for a moment.

    Blockchains verify that valuable work was completed.
    ok. Great!

    What kind of work?

    Fiendishly clever quadratic equations?
    Abstract Polynomials?
    Derivatives?

    Exactly what work is done to bring cryptocurrencies up to the status of being
    worthy of trading has not been specified.

    I'm with Eiji on this one.

    Crypto is not a workable currency.
    Mr. Wombat for the assist.

    "If you think there is such a thing as security on the Internet, get over it.
    It doesn't exist." --Bill Joy.

    The value of the work done will always be determined by the one paying for the work.

    Exactly what does a surveillance state want more than anything?

    All of us, spying on each other.

    Our best course is not to give in to them, but play them out intelligently.

    God, I wish Ace Francis were here.
    I miss that crusty old bastard.

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    If crypto/digi currency is distributed amongst groups of people and the population in general those groups can continue to trade and function EVEN IF the state outlawed (which they will if it threatens their control mechanisms) said crypto/digi currency. IE; a separate economy separate from the state control.

    At that point just buying a mars bar or snickers with crypto/digital currency would be illegal putting crypto/digital currency in a similar position to class a drugs which, if you know the right people, you can pay for all sorts with!

    IE: the moment the state criminalizes crypto/digital currency all holders and traders become criminals and the digital/crypto currency collapses for the average joe!

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    Re: BitCoin, Going Galt, and Loosening the Thread Connecting you and a Hostile State

    So this is an issue I can speak to a bit..

    I have "made my peace" with the State..and mostly use it as a source of housing and paid employment.

    But before I made my peace with the State I was *substantially involved* in the dope game at a point in time when my actions were not actually illegal...though everyone else involved thought we were crooked as hell.

    I had hung up my libertarian notions for society until I ran across MGTOW. Then much more made sense.

    MGTOW is essentially personal libertarianism.. loosely framed as e-brohood.

    Feminism is Pink Communism with extra STDs.

    Bitcoin is huge..NOT because it is the specific cryptocurrency of the future..but because it is a "proof of concept" that cryptocurrency WORKS. Sure it ain't perfect..it will almost certainly be superceded by better concepts..but it's the grand-daddy and it works for hard drugs by mail worldwide despite pighate.

    If you doubt that it works... consider that there are a lot of people..maybe even folks you know online... who danced the Silk Road and got clean away. The only folks who got popped had major major voluntary security failures. Usually got busted selling massively offline, comps and dope seized and THEN it was realized they were selling on darkweb ALSO.

    All the righteous paranoids who kept it TOR af basically got away clean. Or so my...friends... tell me.

    If bitcoin and darkweb can firewall the narcos from the merchants while they feed superb drugs to careful people...it's strong enough to eventually bank with society wide after it has matured.

    Maybe not quickly..but the die is cast. Liberty is in the math.
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