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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Some extra info would be cool before I click on that link.
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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    If you don’t tell them the truth, you are a liar. If you tell them the truth, you are a misogynist. :-\

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    I've had a go on the video. I'm not a big fan of her and especially not of Mr. Jordan Peterson. Seems that everyone is worshipping him which is hardly explainable to me. I've seen pretty much every video I could come across. He makes sense for tradcons and blu pillers. I dropped too many of the red ones to fall for his shit.
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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Jordan Peterson is on the payroll to get men back into the plantation.
    It is a common tactic. Agree and sympathise with the current trend (which is currently red pill/mgtow) but not all the way.

    Then offer a 'light' alternative like Neo - masculinity or some shit. They never offer the hardcore patriarchy, which is not praiseworthy either. Kind of like Cola vs diet cola.

    You see it on this very forum, some dickhead or female empathise and then flip the switch with tradcon rhetoric.

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Women don't want and can't handle the truth. They want men to lie to them. They want to hear what they want to hear and the truth is something they say they want but they are lying.

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Two things when a woman is speaking.

    1. What she is saying isn't necessarily what she wants or needs. She is looking for a desired emotional response, or an emotional reaction. It could also be a classic "shit test".
    2. It could be that what she ISN'T saying is of greater importance. Take for instance the classic "I just want a good guy who won't cheat and makes me laugh"... the 6-pack, 6-feet tall and 6-figure income standard (for top 10% men) is never mentioned, but it's still a requirement.

    Women like confrontation only when it serves them a purpose - a shit test, a social currency test, to test someone else in their social sub-hive. They NEVER like to go anywhere near their innate privileges, or things they use sheer cognitive dissonance to deal with (Honey, you need to be putting in fewer hours with the office and help more with the kids... oh, and tell the boss you need a raise.)

    When you tell women that they're having a hard time finding a "decent guy", for example, because they've sampled high-value cock thanks to Tinder, and now feel entitled to a relationship with a man who is simply out of their league, they eyes glaze over and they look right through you (see: Thousand Cock Stare).

    Simply put, women don't live in the real world - they live in an internal fantasy world full of unusual "rules" (vastly complex and different for everyone), logical fallacies, and a shit-tonne of cognitive dissonance. They can't say what they really mean because to do so would immediately reveal their narcissistic and solipsistic nature - and their vast sense of entitlement. They need to, at all times, appear to be selfless and virtuous which in most cases and situations they are absolutely not.

    This is why women are "so hard to figure out" - because they need to constantly be cloaking their true nature and real intentions. They need to maintain these "healthy relationships" (win-win or win-lose as long as SHE wins) and not drive away people who can be of use to her. That is the reason for her entire complex social network "web" - while she is getting those emotional needs met - guess what? She is by nature also getting her physical needs met in the process . Like I always say:

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    Two things when a woman is speaking.

    1. What she is saying isn't necessarily what she wants or needs. She is looking for a desired emotional response, or an emotional reaction. It could also be a classic "shit test".
    2. It could be that what she ISN'T saying is of greater importance. Take for instance the classic "I just want a good guy who won't cheat and makes me laugh"... the 6-pack, 6-feet tall and 6-figure income standard (for top 10% men) is never mentioned, but it's still a requirement.

    Women like confrontation only when it serves them a purpose - a shit test, a social currency test, to test someone else in their social sub-hive. They NEVER like to go anywhere near their innate privileges, or things they use sheer cognitive dissonance to deal with (Honey, you need to be putting in fewer hours with the office and help more with the kids... oh, and tell the boss you need a raise.)

    When you tell women that they're having a hard time finding a "decent guy", for example, because they've sampled high-value cock thanks to Tinder, and now feel entitled to a relationship with a man who is simply out of their league, they eyes glaze over and they look right through you (see: Thousand Cock Stare).

    Simply put, women don't live in the real world - they live in an internal fantasy world full of unusual "rules" (vastly complex and different for everyone), logical fallacies, and a shit-tonne of cognitive dissonance. They can't say what they really mean because to do so would immediately reveal their narcissistic and solipsistic nature - and their vast sense of entitlement. They need to, at all times, appear to be selfless and virtuous which in most cases and situations they are absolutely not.

    This is why women are "so hard to figure out" - because they need to constantly be cloaking their true nature and real intentions. They need to maintain these "healthy relationships" (win-win or win-lose as long as SHE wins) and not drive away people who can be of use to her. That is the reason for her entire complex social network "web" - while she is getting those emotional needs met - guess what? She is by nature also getting her physical needs met in the process . Like I always say:

    Never listen to what a woman says, but observe what she does and ALWAYS follow the money!
    In the film "What women want" there is a scene that I am sure would not be possible now. When Mel Gibson's character starts hearing women's thoughts he hears one think about how she would like a man to approach her. So he does just that and is rejected.

    They don't actually want to accept or own up to what they want at all. And frequently what they think they want turns out to be not the case.

    The whole gender equality thing is a great example. Notice how men paying for dates, men making the first move has never been changed? This keeps the power in the woman's court.

    I agree, they can't be figured out because there isn't any consistency, no logic, nothing you can predict. Once upon a time this would have been called "Feminine mystique" but I don't think there is any mystery behind it. It all stems from an unbelievable amount of privilege, self entitlement and never being held accountable for their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlock View Post
    It all stems from an unbelievable amount of privilege, self entitlement and never being held accountable for their actions.
    Geez, just keep on killing all of that mystique and intrigue for all of our blue pill friends, would ya?!
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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Quote Originally Posted by Morlock View Post
    It all stems from an unbelievable amount of privilege, self entitlement and never being held accountable for their actions.
    Geez, just keep on killing all of that mystique and intrigue for all of our blue pill friends, would ya?!
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    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Well in this video, she is basically calling him out for supplicating to the feminine narrative.

    Also, I'm not sure why some videos end up a link instead of being embedded. The video title you would have seen is "Jordan Peterson - Wimping out or treading carefully?"

    With regard to tradcons, I think their worldview is correct in a patriarchy. What they don't realize is you can't turn a pickle back into a cucumber. Some level of collapse is going to have to happen for things to go back to the way they should be.

    Also, I'm not afraid to give the .1% of women who are better than the rest a little bit of credit. Yes, she is still a woman, but she is calling Peterson out for being wish-washy with regard to the feminine dark side. Will she ever completely understand the male point of view? Of course not, but she shows more empathy than most. Is she a tradcon? Absolutely, but what alternative does a woman of good heart have? I don't expect them to all go full Gorean.

    Anyway, her criticism of Peterson is on point.

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    Well in this video, she is basically calling him out for supplicating to the feminine narrative.

    Also, I'm not sure why some videos end up a link instead of being embedded. The video title you would have seen is "Jordan Peterson - Wimping out or treading carefully?"

    With regard to tradcons, I think their worldview is correct in a patriarchy. What they don't realize is you can't turn a pickle back into a cucumber. Some level of collapse is going to have to happen for things to go back to the way they should be.

    Also, I'm not afraid to give the .1% of women who are better than the rest a little bit of credit. Yes, she is still a woman, but she is calling Peterson out for being wish-washy with regard to the feminine dark side. Will she ever completely understand the male point of view? Of course not, but she shows more empathy than most. Is she a tradcon? Absolutely, but what alternative does a woman of good heart have? I don't expect them to all go full Gorean.

    Anyway, her criticism of Peterson is on point.
    I think Muslim's have shown that you can turn the clock way back but they also showed you have to take it to an extreme and it requires force.

    How tradcon is Bettina really though? Would she give up her work? There was another vid posted on here recently by a self proclaimed trad con woman. But again, how trad con is she, she was in revealing clothes, make up caked on, tattoos. Not to mention voicing her opinions.

    It seems contradictory to me.

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    I really like Peterson because he went up against the social justice warriors and their 31 pronoun nonsense. I also like his assessments of Marxism and socialism.
    As for his Trad-Con / Blue-Pill "wife up an ex-carousel rider" - yeah it's 1000% pure horseshit.

    The kind of society (and people) he has no use for has made marriage and much of Trad-Con tradition irrelevant to any man capable of critical thought.

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    I really like Peterson because he went up against the social justice warriors and their 31 pronoun nonsense.
    I can't be sure; seems too good to be true that he comes out stronger and more prominent; and in fact is now considered the cultural critic of our times.

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    JBP and other guys like Shapiro and those guys are doomed to fail. You can't argue with these people in debates because their arguments aren't based on reality. None of them actually care what you have to say. These guys are smart enough to know that it's not going to work but they're doing it for a reason.

    It sort of makes me think that the reason he's doing it is because he wants to get the lost sheep, the ones who are undecided. He wants to herd them back into his line of thought whilst keeping the situation exactly as it currently is. This is why he refuses to talk bad about the almighty vagina and shits on any alternate option against feminism that isn't his or is approved by him.
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    The opposite holds true but I would rather be surprised by the truth than a lie.

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    This is why he refuses to talk bad about the almighty vagina and shits on any alternate option against feminism that isn't his or is approved by him.
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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Born MGTOW View Post
    He makes sense for tradcons and blu pillers.
    Agreed, not a Peterson fan either.

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut View Post
    JBP and other guys like Shapiro and those guys are doomed to fail. You can't argue with these people in debates because their arguments aren't based on reality. None of them actually care what you have to say. These guys are smart enough to know that it's not going to work but they're doing it for a reason.

    It sort of makes me think that the reason he's doing it is because he wants to get the lost sheep, the ones who are undecided. He wants to herd them back into his line of thought whilst keeping the situation exactly as it currently is. This is why he refuses to talk bad about the almighty vagina and shits on any alternate option against feminism that isn't his or is approved by him.
    Shapiro is a NeoZionist Identitarian. He is so full of shit, if given a debate with him I would eat his lunch.

    I am no White Nationalist as this fellow is, none the less, this is a valid argument. Why does it take a White Nationalist to point out Shapiro's bullshit? Because Zionism is a mirror of White Nationalism. Same thing, Nationalism based on an identity, the only difference being the identities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjU4m0Hglw

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    There is always something strange about zionism and people who claim to be Jews with the hope that they will be accepted.
    What I suspect about it is that if they do succeed in having their new world order or whatever it is they want, all these extra people who weren't officially part of their group will be purged and killed off similar to Islam's convert or die mantra.

    I actually forgot to add this point about JBP: He claims he's a capitalist. Therefore, anything that he sells you doesn't have to come with any guarantee of working or any emotion or caring attached to it because he already got what he came for, the money. He doesn't have to provide anything in return and at the end, his followers will slowly begin to realize that everything that was given to him is lost.
    If you believe everything you hear is a lie, you have a 100% lie detection rate.
    The opposite holds true but I would rather be surprised by the truth than a lie.

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    Re: Bettina Arndt talks about men not speaking truth to women

    Peterson has the old school ideas of archtypes as his world view. But that is part of the old thinking in that whatever job/career you had that was your identity. The new way of seeing yourself is not linked to your career but linked to what values you stand for. Indeed, there was overlap with career trajectory and the values you held in the past but that is no more in the 21st century.

    As a result I predict suicide rates will go down for men as they decouple from this identity of tying their self worth to their respective careers.

    But women are running head first to defining themselves by their careers and it is having disasterous effects.

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