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    Where have America’s young men gone?

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    These articles always avoid asking why because to discuss that would be a very uncomfortable truth.

    Where have America’s young men gone? According to Erik Hurst, an economist from the University of Chicago, they haven’t gone anywhere—they’re just plugged in. In a recent interview, Hurst says that his research indicates that young men with less than a four-year degree (according to virtually all data, that’s an increasing number) are spending their days unemployed and unmarried, but not un-amused. “The hours that they are not working have been replaced almost one-for-one with leisure time,” Hurst reports. “Seventy-five percent of this new leisure time falls into one category: video games. The average low-skilled, unemployed man in this group plays video games an average of twelve, and sometimes upwards of thirty hours per week.”

    Hurst goes on: “These individuals are living with parents or relatives, and happiness surveys actually indicate that they [are] quite content compared to their peers, making it hard to argue that some sort of constraint, [such as that] they are miserable because they can’t find a job, is causing them to play video games.” In other words, the time these young men spend on Xbox and Playstation does not offer them relief from the stress of joblessness and existential inertia. On the contrary, for them it’s part of Living the Dream.
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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    Oh noes. Young men realize that video game consoles are a much smarter investment than wives and you don't have to give your old video game console half of your shit when you get a new one. Why are people shaming gamers so much? Because gamers are having FUN and saying EFF YOU to society's expectations of them, which is to marry up and pump money into women and children - long after they kick him out of the house. Women and feminism made "the deal" into a "shit deal" and these guys know it. Why kill yourself getting a degree, kill yourself in a thankless corporate ladder job, then get put through the divorce meat grinder?

    They laugh at MGTOW now, but what they don't realize is that more than half of the youngest generations of men are *exactly* MGTOW. They're the first generations of men to say NO to the shit deal before even trying it ONCE. They're bravely putting aside biological imperatives and societal demands and family pressures and say "Sorry, chuck. Don't give a fuck." They're the first generation of men who might actually learn from the mistakes of preceding generations.

    MGTOW is going to echo generations. Feminism was the poison. MGTOW is the cure. Feminism is a cancer that is killing it's host (the working men of society). The host no longer cares and has left the arena, leaving feminism to feed on itself, which it's already doing. The false economies women make in socialist settings are simply not sustainable. Plantation burns, we walk away. Zero fucks given.
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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    It is all about opportunity cost.

    Gaming is a very reasonable cost for fun and passing time with friends or even making new friends. As much as I love outdoor activities, attending a sports events, visiting a museum, or movie watching they have priced themselves out of the ballpark for a lot of people. That is why people are re-discovering old school hobbies like hunting, fishing, carpentry, wood sculpting, surfing, etc.

    Dating has become too politicized as the genders are in a state of cold war with one another..where both are competing against each other instead of just having fun. Marriage has become a means of extraction of resources from .gov. Public discourse is discouraged because of the potential false accusations which shys away men from engaging socially at public events. Or the fear that every man is "bad" portrayed by the media and gynocentric society paralyzes women from interacting with men in public.

    Employers seem to have lost focus on investment of existing and veteran employees and rather waste money training new employees with high churn rates. No stability in the workplace leads to apathy and most workers not caring for the outcome of the company or their employer.

    Social contract is broken across the board.

    Enjoy the decline.

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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    Sid, you really left out some advantages of video games. I mean some of those video games I played stayed with me all my youth. They were loyal. They were reliable, they were fun. They were fun for long periods of time. Some of them had great variety and continued to develop with mods and patches. I mean they were by no means a waste of money. Women are different for some reason. Expensive, only fun in their 20s and only for the first couple of dates.

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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    Employers seem to have lost focus on investment of existing and veteran employees and rather waste money training new employees with high churn rates.
    Even worse, they refuse to invest in proper training for younger staff and try to bring in those "who can hit the ground running". Of course, if you hire nothing but mercenaries, don't be surprised when you have no troops to defend the siege!

    And also, staff churn leads to client churn. A connection a lot of management can't seem to make.
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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

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    Oh, in no way did I mean to disparage video games! I had an Atari 800 and a shoe-box full of games!

    Video games, beer, bacon, porn, sports, hunting, fishing, shooting sports... all better than women.

    Ironic it is that women are incensed that young men "waste" time and money on gaming, while they waste time and money on shopping for clothes they don't need and shoes they will wear once. This is why relationships with women suck: they're so solipsistic - you're an appendage to her life, not in a relationship with *each other*. Women DO look at the relationship as being all about her. You interests, your friends... even your personal fashion preferences. All but a nuisance for her. You need to LOOOOOOVE her. She only needs to barely tolerate you. Would you stay friends with any person under these conditions? Hell no. Without vag factor, women have nothing.
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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    Hell I haven't played my xbox in a while, but that really is true. It's a hell of a good time for such a comparatively low cost.
    Don't really get the shaming that seems to circle it.
    What purpose does that serve women, or anyone?
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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    I mentioned this about 6 months ago, that guys would eventually head the same way as Japanese men have gone. It is interesting to see a study that it is coming true.

    We are currently living in a self-made celebrity culture. Who would blame them? With the amount of adoration and worship women are getting, it isn't a surprise they're all living the goddess lifestyle, pricing themselves out of the dating market for them. As a result, average guys have simply had enough.

    All of the activities that they once did (subconsciously to get laid) they're dropping as they no longer see women as the objective, and with that, no where to be seen.

    Remember my Tyler Durden post on going inwards when you experience pain? This is what is happening with guys who are playing video games. They're reality escaping. Now all of us reality escape, but to play video games for that long you are really escaping something.

    Do I blame them? I do not. What else does society have to offer? Is it bad? Definitely not. Let the MGTOW go his own way....

    A heed to all - this statistic is just evidence and the tip of the iceberg to the eventual society collapse that is coming.

    My next prophecy is women wanting to control the job market...

    When you control the job market, it means that us MGTOWS cannot do what we want if there is more stricter regulations for work/home life. This is something the government will push. Just like being unhealthy, men who are not dedicating most days to work will be covertly media shamed.

    This is the next target gentleman. Women will want to decrease your salaries, demotivate you at work, demean you and keep you from doing your MGTOW activities. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing all female CEO companies that state workers must work 7 days a week.
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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    Women rely on peer pressure, cooperation, and sharing of resources (when they are not throwing dagger stares at each other). So, more likely what you will see in the future is less work hours per week in a female dominated gynocracy. A female dominated gynocracy will see a rise in robotics used in all work industries. These industries are reving up to change the landscape of the workforce just like the jet age of the post World war II era did.

    So fear not, but more likely more free time will be freed up for men to go their own way in the future. With this "free time" you can choose to make more money, manage investments, party hedonistic style, attend to hobbies, travel, etc.

    The carrot currently is rotten, but the stick isn't that powerful, because the governments of the world realize too much force will awaken a sleeping giant. We see this already in the middle east with some men are apathetic to their current existence while other men wage all out vicious war.

    So, while it is not advantageous for governments to see men dropping out of the workforce. The truth is that the alternative is men causing all sorts of havoc, so the governments of the world will accept this status quo of men passively sitting out the shell game for now.

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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    ShogunRonin hits it square on the head, the Grass Eaters have hit the American scene!
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    What does that sound like? It sounds like pornography. Could it be that one reason that millions of young American men feel satisfied with their perpetual adolescence is that their sexual appetites are sated by a steady diet of internet porn? No woman they could meet at the coffee shop or on the church camping trip could possibly compete with these perfectly toned, perfectly undemanding models
    Gimme a fuckin break. Again with the "porn creates unrealistic demands" bullshit.

    No, it's actually NOT hard for women to be more interesting than porn, at all. They just don't want to.

    Here's a simple three step plan - don't be a bitch, don't play stupid mind games, and don't destroy male lives. Shazam, now you're more interesting than porn.

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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggets View Post
    Gimme a fuckin break. Again with the "porn creates unrealistic demands" bullshit.

    No, it's actually NOT hard for women to be more interesting than porn, at all. They just don't want to.

    Here's a simple three step plan - don't be a bitch, don't play stupid mind games, and don't destroy male lives. Shazam, now you're more interesting than porn.
    Most women in porn are of average height and beauty. They conceal their level of natural beauty by layering on makeup which is why women perceive women of porn to be unrealistic. But women that say women of porn are unrealistic fail to point out that they too put on makeup to become unrealistic caricatures of what really women are.

    And moving beyond that, as you said character and level of integrity is just as important but women simply don't have it these days.

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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

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    Even worse, they refuse to invest in proper training for younger staff and try to bring in those "who can hit the ground running". Of course, if you hire nothing but mercenaries, don't be surprised when you have no troops to defend the siege!

    And also, staff churn leads to client churn. A connection a lot of management can't seem to make.
    Managers do not see themselves as " just doing their job " they see themselves as managers of peoples lives , being the BOSS ...

    LOL see connection ? What do you want from them , they read the same Huff Post , they are on the same dating sites and acquired the same education at the same facilities . LOL though i never had a CEO that went to a better college than me ...just sayin`.

    But you can only be the BOSS by sheer brutal force or to unskilled youngsters ... A skilled man will just walk away and in my case i would just tell him that i can wait him outside the office if he wants to talk .

    Of course its very very heavy to run business . I would never do it to myself personally .
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    While I see nothing wrong with playing video games, I do see something wrong with a grown man who will NOT work. Work produces money and money produces CHOICES on what one can buy and things he can do during the weekends and vacations.

    Sell your labor to society but do not SACRIFICE yourself for society or for women. There is a guy in the building I live in who does not work. He is able to live in the unit/apt because it was his grandmothers and when she died, he got it. This parasite doesn't pay the monthly dues and he hasn't paid them in probably 20 years which is how long his granny has been gone.

    He SAYS he finds people occasionally who lets him give vaccine shots to their dogs because he went to vet school but did not finish. This was MANY moons ago. Anyway, this guy has very little food, no money to do shit with...NO CHOICES.

    I'll pass. Don't want to be a part of society or date women? Fine. Understood. But don't shot yourself in the foot by NEVER working. NEVER having money for anything. That's just STUPID. Going ones own way does NOT mean to live in poverty because of women and society.





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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    Over and over, that article equates supporting a woman & sprogs with growing up and being an adult.

    Aww, they closed the comment thread. I wanted to ask this person blathering about sin and "enslavement": how many women at his church were remarried divorcees? How many were single mothers living on CS and alimony?

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    The only thing unrealistic about porn is that modern b1tch women think a man enjoying himself sexually is a sin, as taught by the man-hating lesbians in their gender studies courses.
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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shrug the Script View Post
    While I see nothing wrong with playing video games, I do see something wrong with a grown man who will NOT work. Work produces money and money produces CHOICES on what one can buy and things he can do during the weekends and vacations.

    Sell your labor to society but do not SACRIFICE yourself for society or for women. There is a guy in the building I live in who does not work. He is able to live in the unit/apt because it was his grandmothers and when she died, he got it. This parasite doesn't pay the monthly dues and he hasn't paid them in probably 20 years which is how long his granny has been gone.

    He SAYS he finds people occasionally who lets him give vaccine shots to their dogs because he went to vet school but did not finish. This was MANY moons ago. Anyway, this guy has very little food, no money to do shit with...NO CHOICES.

    I'll pass. Don't want to be a part of society or date women? Fine. Understood. But don't shot yourself in the foot by NEVER working. NEVER having money for anything. That's just STUPID. Going ones own way does NOT mean to live in poverty because of women and society.
    A few years ago i would say the same ...until my first seizure out of the blue ... went through all the medicals and im healthy like a horse . Sometimes you cant . LOL and i was working as a roofer at that time , awesome job , good pay and you can tell your faggot boss to fuck his mouth up and he cant fire you cuz there is no one to replace you .
    But the thought of falling the fuck off the roof ...

    Sometimes you just cant .

    Annnd my best friend never worked a day in his life , lives alone in a huge apartment , been through fire , water and copper pipes , you cant bullshit him on anything and he can knock out 99% of human population with his both hands tied behind his back .

    He just inherited lots of woodland to last a few lifetimes and sells it . Who do you thinks is stoopid ... ?

    Working for a man in most of the situations and countries is hell i wouldnt wish it on my foes .

    Though working for yourself and on yourself ...thats not even work .
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    Re: Where have America’s young men gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shrug the Script View Post
    While I see nothing wrong with playing video games, I do see something wrong with a grown man who will NOT work. Work produces money and money produces CHOICES on what one can buy and things he can do during the weekends and vacations.

    Sell your labor to society but do not SACRIFICE yourself for society or for women. There is a guy in the building I live in who does not work. He is able to live in the unit/apt because it was his grandmothers and when she died, he got it. This parasite doesn't pay the monthly dues and he hasn't paid them in probably 20 years which is how long his granny has been gone.

    He SAYS he finds people occasionally who lets him give vaccine shots to their dogs because he went to vet school but did not finish. This was MANY moons ago. Anyway, this guy has very little food, no money to do shit with...NO CHOICES.

    I'll pass. Don't want to be a part of society or date women? Fine. Understood. But don't shot yourself in the foot by NEVER working. NEVER having money for anything. That's just STUPID. Going ones own way does NOT mean to live in poverty because of women and society.
    The interesting thing is that nobody asks why men leave because they don't want to hear the answer which is the gynocentric system. If you gear everything to one sex than the other will be less successful.

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    I love how gaming for 12 hours a week is dangerous escapism but watching TV for 40 is perfectly acceptable. An olympic gold medalist gets 25k while DOTA 2 tournament winners get 8.5 mil. Ahh why even bother, I've got games to play.

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    So video games and porn are the reason men don't want to marry now. It can't simply be because the deal of marriage is as self-destructive as hitting yourself in the nuts with a 10 lbs. sledge hammer. The only thing I would agree with in that article is that the men living off of other people need to get a job and support themselves, no one owes anyone else a living. However I don't think that happens as much as the article makes it seem like. To me it seems like what the article is trying to do is to direct anger and the very things that makes it easy for men to reject women.

    Porn gives men the visual stimulation that makes rubbing one out more pleasant and less time consuming. After all what man wants a wife that is telling him about her past sexual conquest or how much better the last guy was, what she did before and will not with you. After all at first glance it would appear to be as if she was expecting a guy to live vicariously through her. On the flip side thanks to porn and escorts a man can live out his fantasies any way he chooses. You want to imagine that a 100 women want to bang you all at once, well porn provides the visual fuel for that. No woman can match up to porn only because she gives porn star sex to other men and her future slave, err I mean husband gets that "will you hurry up and finish" sex. So yes porn is a big threat to all of these women that are trying to land a man after being ridden by 20 to God knows how many men.

    Video games is another real huge threat to these women. First off even if the guy is married, that video game gives him a mental break from thinking about the woman he is married to. Likewise that video game for the single guys takes up valuable time that he could be using to look for that woman to marry. When men are playing GTA 5 they are not thinking about if they might get lucky with Suzi rottencrotch or even that they got to finger Sally through her pretty pink panties. Nope we are thinking "I need to buy a shot gun and some armor to do that next mission". We are thinking, "Damn that's a lot of cops, oh shit the FBI is on me now". Hell the wife can be fucking the neighbor and his dog in our marriage bed, however I will complete what I set out to do on this game. Even afterwards I wouldn't be too upset, just pissed because I'll have to burn the mattress, throw her ass out and buy a new mattress. Video games gives a much needed break from the bullshit that you have to face daily with or without a woman.

    Myself I just see this article as a way to misdirect everyone's attention away from the fact that women are toxic and marriage is a bad deal for men. Women are never responsible for their actions, it always has to be something else. Thanks to the internet, porn and video games, men are seeing women less and less as an option. The way I see it is that the only thing that can be done now to save marriage is to have some very radical changes in divorce, alimony and child support laws. Even if they did this, your still going to have about a 30 to 40 year gap of marriage and population recovery. Since they will not be making changes to the law and instead are doubling down on "It's all something else, not women" I see things only getting worse. You can bet your ass that you will see more and more women trying to convince men to take the plunge because "she is different". While being different may be true, what is the same is the laws that will be used against you eventually.

    Bottom line is that if a woman that is over 40 wants a man of her own then she needs to really step it up to catch a willing sucker. First off she needs to get rid of the idea of marriage and having the government involved with the relationship. Next, the bitch should have a good job and at lease a BA to ensure that she will always have a good income (mind you a real degree, not in women's studies or some shit like that). Now she better be able to fuck like a porn star and give her old man porn star sex. Another thing would be is not demanding anything from the guy except for maybe a little attention and/or sex. This is just the start, this is just to get the guy to think for two seconds "okay maybe she would be fun to play with for a bit". Women can not get men to even settle down with them let alone marry them for one major reason. Even though she may now be ready to settle down, she is trying to settle down with a man that has had countless women in his past fuck him over. After all of that and the guy is choosing between video games and porn or taking a chance with yet another woman that will do the same thing as the others. I think we can all see why the video games and porn win out over a woman hands down.
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