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    Wink Lets see if I get this right...

    Relationship history, if you mean romantic relationships there were never many. I was usually friend zoned early on. I was an odd mix of red and blue pill in my late teens and early 20's. I knew a lot of things that other men had no clue about but at the same time I still clung onto some myths. One of those myths being that relationships start as friendships! Ummm, nope. Women would lay their shit on me and I would listen like a dutiful cuck in the hope they would see some kind of inner beauty in me or some shit and I would get laid. So yeah, my motivations were far from honorable. Back then I was a lonely loner as opposed to being a happy loner now.

    Despite that loneliness I was still cautious. As mentioned that mix of blue and red. I was bullied a lot growing up at school and at home so people were never a priority in my life as I found them to be a source of pain and/or confusion usually. I was happiest alone, except when I wasn't.

    I was always aware of the duality at play in society, women/girls getting away with things males couldn't get away with etc. That to me spelled danger as the game appeared to be anything but fair to me. I had enough problems as it was without adding women to the mix.

    At 20 though I finally did get a girlfriend and she cheated on me within a week! So much for that. I think I gave up around age 24 or so, just lost interest in the same way you lose interest in being an astronaut when you realize how unlikely it is to happen for you, especially when the country you live in doesn't have a space program. Although later on I tried a bit on dating sites but also without success. Bullets dodged, all good.

    I am not sure what you really want to know here but lets say that not much happened relationship wise for me. I was also pretty naive about things. When I was about 20 or so I was at a pub one night and being totally clueless I started buying a table of women drinks so I could sit with them. I was being friendly, of course I hoped that at least one would like me but I wasn't being sleazy either. I spent a few hundred on them before realizing they thought I was a sleaze, I had no idea why. I just put it down to them not liking me. As mentioned, I was naive and clueless and thought I was doing the right thing.

    Awareness? I was a mix of both. At school I would see kids go to pieces over absolute bullshit. I still see it now as an adult. The only blue pill beliefs I had were about women, I tended to want to believe they were something special. I clung onto that for a while although I think deep down I knew I was wrong. In the end the evidence just proved overwhelming and I dropped that belief.

    What brought me to MGTOW? I have always been here in one way or another. Not as Red pill as I am now but I have never run with the pack or shared opinions with the majority. I have always been someone who questions everything. I am not confrontational though as it is a waste of time. To me passive resistance is far more effective.

    Who Am I? I am someone who is a loner. I have always been in a position where people rely on me for support and yet I have never felt that I have received much myself. I don't share my problems as in the past I learned it goes against me in one way or another. I like to describe my job as saving stupid people from themselves.

    I like old films, music, guitar, good food and walks along the beach

    I dunno guys, what else would you like to know?

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    You need to be more specific about your relationship history and how it led you to search out MGTOW. Saying that you didn't have many relationships is far too general. By your own statement, you did have a few relationships, so please be more specific about the relationships you DID have.

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    You need to be more specific about your relationship history and how it led you to search out MGTOW. Saying that you didn't have many relationships is far too general. By your own statement, you did have a few relationships, so please be more specific about the relationships you DID have.
    Really? I guess I am going to fail being a part of your forum. Reading the attitude of one of your moderators doesn't encourage me to be very open here. I think I have misjudged the site, I will apply for one of your popular self bans. Just had an aggressive "reputation comment" as well, really odd. No time for silly ego games guys.

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    It's your decision to not follow forum guidelines, not anyone else's. Claiming the mods here have "attitude" when you are not following forum guidelines, is hardly persuasive.

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    It's your decision to not follow forum guidelines, not anyone else's. Claiming the mods here have "attitude" when you are not following forum guidelines, is hardly persuasive.
    I thought I did follow the guidelines. And what is with giving me a rep comment and then complaining that I didn't do an intro even though you are posting on my intro?

    Aggressive site. Forget it.

    As I said, I thought it was a site for men. My bad.

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    If you read other forums member's intros you would see that it is expected for forum members to comment on new member's intro thread. If you have not read other member's intros, I suggest you do so. You still haven't added to your intro as requested.
    Your last few sentences appear to be shaming language, that won't get you anywhere with free men. Only blue pillers are sensitive to shaming efforts. That topic was discussed in another thread.
    You can still read this forum and post in the "Opposing Views" without being a forum member.

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    If you read other forums member's intros you would see that it is expected for forum members to comment on new member's intro thread. If you have not read other member's intros, I suggest you do so. You still haven't added to your intro as requested.
    Your last few sentences appear to be shaming language, that won't get you anywhere with free men. Only blue pillers are sensitive to shaming efforts. That topic was discussed in another thread.
    You can still read this forum and post in the "Opposing Views" without being a forum member.
    Then you and your mod are Blue pillers because you seem pretty sensitive. Funny really as I feel you are attempting to shame me. As I myself am a free man so whatever.

    Anyway, I have no time for this baby shit.

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Asking you to follow forum guidelines like everyone else here does not constitute shaming efforts. Claiming that our efforts to have an orderly forum which follows established forum guidelines which you should have read, is not shaming.

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    Asking you to follow forum guidelines like everyone else here does not constitute shaming efforts. Claiming that our efforts to have an orderly forum which follows established forum guidelines which you should have read, is not shaming.
    I would say leaving stupid comments disguised as rep points and trying to troll me as you are is pretty poor form. As I said, it's all ok. I made a mistake. A lot of forums are run by trolls and this is another one.

    I sincerely apologize for attempting to join your forum. If I knew more about how bad it was I never would have bothered.

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixon Steele View Post
    I would say leaving stupid comments disguised as rep points and trying to troll me as you are is pretty poor form. As I said, it's all ok. I made a mistake. A lot of forums are run by trolls and this is another one.

    I sincerely apologize for attempting to join your forum. If I knew more about how bad it was I never would have bothered.
    DS, I was away on errands and lunch and just got back. I sent you a PM moments ago. Will you reply to it?
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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Hi DS,

    Thank you for replying to my PM. As I replied back to say, I'd like to indicate what I think happened and I'm posting it here for all to benefit. I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm only saying it happened. There has been some offense(s) taken and I'm writing this to solve it. So, please anyone reading this, do not let your quick minds get ahead of me to find in what you read below something new to be offended about. Don't do that.

    Here is the timeline of your posts. Times may not be expressed in your time zone:

    01:32 PM New member posted in New Member Intros forum.
    01:38 PM New member posted in Rant forum.
    01:53 PM New member posted in Lounge forum.
    02:05 PM New member receives first feedback on Intro.
    02:15 PM New member posted in For Ghosts forum.
    02:19 PM New member receives neg rep with comment "This poster did not fill out an intro and continues to post."
    02:32 PM New member posted in Opposing Views forum.
    02:33 PM New member posted in New Member Intros forum.
    02:40 PM New member posted in Banned Members forum requesting to be banned.

    It appears you posted in various forums in a very short period of time after registering here, likely before many members could access to notice that you had indeed made your Intro. Hard to say. It's not incorrect to do what you did, it is just not common. Then, too, insincere people (not you) have joined this site just to troll everywhere and they are the ones we see most often who join and then quickly post in multiple forums and no Intro. The Latest Posts section of our site will show these repetitive posts BAM BAM BAM and if it's a brand new username it most often is a troll.

    With that psychology in place around here, it also appears an existing member did not do a last-minute check for an Intro before posting a neg rep against you. A neg rep is a common way to catch the attention of newbies who ignore Intros (again not you) and bomb the various forums in a short period of time.

    We do not want members to engage in protracted back-and-forths with newbies about their Intros if it turns into a challenge more than being constructive.

    Update: While I have been composing this, you and I have been exchanging PM's where you allowed me to think I was assisting you until the point where I pointed out to you your negative behavior towards me, then you decided that you never did want me to help. Ha, I got bit by that old trick! LOL. Live and learn.

    At first, I thought you were sincere. You have convinced me to close your account, that it is more than just us making missteps, and I told you in closing your account that I will show our members how you have behaved towards me. It's a learning experience here for everyone.
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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Ok but the member who negged me about not having an intro also posted on my intro?? I don't get it.

    My negative behaviour? I just wanted to be part of your forum, I will take the blame for that. That was my fault and I am really sorry I tried to take part. Truly, I am sorry.

    Since, as you say this is "learning steps" I will provide some feedback on my experience.

    * I made a genuine attempt to be a member.
    * Ok, so my intro didn't meet your standards, fine. But that does not mean I am any less genuine.
    * Yes, trolls on forums are a problem, but from my perspective I felt aggression from yourself and the member who posted in my intro.
    * It is usually best to ask questions of people before jumping to conclusions and branding them trolls.
    * Sounds like everyone got annoyed here including me. This has cost your site a member, I am not saying I am a big deal but I am pretty sure that was not anyone's intent.
    * As I browsed the forum I saw a lot of aggressive posts.

    I would prefer to just leave. Thanks.

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    You have a thankless task Unboxxed. I appreciate the effort you make here. For what it's worth, I incorrectly said on the my rep comment that the poster had not filled out an intro when what I meant to say was that the intro that they had filled out was inadequate and that they were continuing to post which. It's all water under the bridge now, I suppose.
    I appreciate you posting your analysis of what happened.

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    You have a thankless task Unboxxed. I appreciate the effort you make here. For what it's worth, I incorrectly said on the my rep comment that the poster had not filled out an intro when what I meant to say was that the intro that they had filled out was inadequate and that they were continuing to post which. It's all water under the bridge now, I suppose.
    I appreciate you posting your analysis of what happened.
    I don't know of any Mod who posts such an analysis but, ya know, the feedback is worth it.

    Look at his last Post #12 where he takes the time to say what he said with basically a fare-thee-well. I regret this whole thing happened. We lost a potential member. I don't know how to prevent a collision of perceptions and perspectives like what happened here. A perfect storm? The only thing that cannot be corrected for him is the level of aggression he says he sees in us outside of this situation. He said he has read posts from me and they are aggressive. Oh, I know they exist but likely they are in context what was needed to get to Point B. I'd love to see examples for context but none were provided. Still, this site is not your mother's tea room. I worked my career at the telephone company in a job where you could not get things done without an ability to say things plainly and no one gets offended because we all know the goal. Then you add to that what the typed word brings, or rather does not bring, and you have a recipe for dynamite sometimes. Words on a page can take on a different meaning when read while someone is excited.

    Thanks for volunteering that it was you. Did I guess right, that you didn't take a last-minute look for his Intro before you neg-repped him?

    Admin has made a strong directive to avoid attacking newbies and perhaps I should find it and bump it into Latest Posts so the newer folks can read it. My approach is to avoid any Intro feedback that looks like the person should know all about us already. With gentle respect, I ask you to try that in future instances.

    Also, if someone jabs me for what I think is no reason, I take the hit and re-explain. Too many jabs and you start to wonder is it worth it to keep the game show smile going on. Same as working the complaint desk at Penneys. LOL.
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    I didn't view what I was posting as aggressive nor as an attack. Since it appears that the poster finds much of the forum too aggressive for his sensibilities, I don't think either you or I mishandled the situation. Seriously, if he finds YOU aggressive, how could he possible interact with some of the rowdier men here?

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    Seriously, if he finds YOU aggressive, how could he possible interact with some of the rowdier men here?
    Yeah, he said I was aggressive. He was very clear about that. He also told me that just as we vet him, he vets us, which is exactly true as membership is always consensual. Acknowledging that context, he has the "right" to have an unfavorable opinion about us, or me.
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    Yes, membership is consensual. Isn't the "lurker" period normally when the forum is being vetted by the potential member? I lurked a few days before applying and seem to recall that most other members did the same. Doesn't it make sense to find out what a forum is about before starting to post? Maybe a suggestion could be made on the application form to read some threads first to find out if this forum is really suited to you before applying?

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    Yes, membership is consensual. Isn't the "lurker" period normally when the forum is being vetted by the potential member? I lurked a few days before applying and seem to recall that most other members did the same. Doesn't it make sense to find out what a forum is about before starting to post? Maybe a suggestion could be made on the application form to read some threads first to find out if this forum is really suited to you before applying?
    Yep, I agree with you and correct myself when I wrote newbies may not know about us. I've wondered how people register and not know certain things. Now why didn't I think to ask this newbie how could he not know he objected to this site's "aggression level" before he registered? LOL. It's called due diligence? Yet, he holds against us/me these things he apparently was willing to accept. See, that is the type of inconsistency that I do not like to be made to eat when it is expressed as criticisms of me, so I speak up against it, and they dodge me, which begs me to, yeah, take of the gloves! To that extent that people criticize others when underlying it is their own inconsistency, yes, they know how to press buttons which makes them toxic for doing it. Even if they are unaware of it, it still makes them toxic. I'll take my low level of aggression over that, any day.


    EDIT to add this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixon Steele View Post
    * As I browsed the forum I saw a lot of aggressive posts.
    Here is where I should have asked him why did he join the forum before browsing us? Or, why did he join the forum after browsing us? Yeah, right there is the hole in his virtue. He may have realized too late that he was not cut out for this site and that could explain his lack of resilience in my PM overtures to retain him.
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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    Good work.

    Plenty of leeway was given and time tends to solve this problem.

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    Re: Lets see if I get this right...

    I think if DS could sit down & have tea & pastry with AceF, all these things could be smoothed out.


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