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    Greetings.

    I'm new to this space, but not to red pill thought. I've been on the AVFM forums for a while but have grown tired of the number of women that post and read there. I've been looking for a male only space for a while. Hopefully this is it.

    I've been married for over 20 years. That makes me awakened while married. I'm mostly still pursuing forums like this so I can educate my son correctly. My lot has essentially been cast. If I can pass on things I have learned to younger men while I try to educate my own, so much the better.

    I've suffered the typical blue pill marriage for most of my adult life. I didn't wake up until a military deployment and my wife's reaction to that clued me in on the imbalanced nature of things. There was zero concern for my well being. She only cared about what she was going to do while I was absent. Additionally, the deployment killed my consulting business. "We" decided it would be a good idea for me to be the stay at home parent as she makes a good amount of money. Needless to say, I learned a lot about hypergamy from that point on.

    Waking up was a bitch, but I'm happier for it now. Now I have a chance to teach my son what my dad never taught me. In his defense, he didn't know either. This web we have been in has been going on for a long time.
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    I thought of one more thing to add. When all of the negativity with my wife was going on, I was seriously considering divorce. I stumbled onto a book called splitting. It is about divorcing a person with NPD or BPD. It seemed to fit her like a glove. After taking the red pill, thanks largely to finding therationalmale.com, I came to realize how much of the behavior is simply innate in women. Normal female behavior is sometimes indistinguishable from that of an NPD or BPD.

    Any guys who are going thru divorce should get that book. It will help you defend yourself regardless of any diagnosis of your spouse.
    In my case, finally understanding hypergamy allowed me to pull my marriage out of the toilet. That doesn't mean I now think it was all worth it. It just means that staying in my child's life means more to me than my freedom.

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    Re: Introduction

    Welcome. Based on your brief intro, it looks like you've come to the right place.

    Can you flesh out your relationship history? How did you come to be married? How many major relationships did you have? Did your wife's behavior change after marriage, or was it just all of a sudden when you deployed? Can you share some anecdotes about how you learned about hypergamy?

    Also, can you tell us what you do and what you like?

    See below.
    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-intros/intro-27/
    1. Relationship history (experience with women, red pills, what about it made you made you aware; note- you don't HAVE to have had relationships but you can speak of your interactions with women) -- it turns out trolls don't have good, realistic stories of this ilk.

    2. Awareness
    : your blue pill perspectives, how you transitioned to red pill, with enough detail about what brought you to MGTOW.

    3. Who you are
    : tell us a little bit of who you are. What you like, what you do, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    It is about divorcing a person with NPD or BPD. It seemed to fit her like a glove. After taking the red pill, thanks largely to finding therationalmale.com, I came to realize how much of the behavior is simply innate in women. Normal female behavior is sometimes indistinguishable from that of an NPD or BPD.
    Heh. My ex-wife has all the symptoms of BPD as well, or even Dissociative Identity Disorder.
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. --Seneca

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    I've really only had one significant romantic relationship. I was never good with women in high school. I basically married the first woman that paid me any real attention. There were so many red flags with my wife that I should have walked at least a dozen times. My father and all of my uncles were in similar marriages though, so it all seemed normal. I thought that is just how life was supposed to be. To be honest, now that I have read what I have read over the years, my experience is all so typical it seems boiler plate. Name the cliche, it probably applies. Sex stopped immediately after marriage. I don't even think we had sex on the honeymoon. I put all of my energy into making her happy. I worked while she went to school continuously for many years to find herself. I helped with homework. Calculus just wasn't her thing (imagine that). She finally got an advanced degree and the corresponding big salary. Immediately, she starts looking at me like I'm some kind of bum with my measly BS degree. Prior effort had no impact. I was so socially isolated. At one point, we had a day long fight because I invited a friend over. She didn't think the house was clean enough for company. The sick irony is that I had stiffened up my spine enough to divorce her only to come home that day and find out she was pregnant. FYI, I'm sure the kid is mine (rare blood anomaly). As much as sex had been absent from our relationship, as soon has her clock went off, she was always horny. Right up until she got pregnant. Then it immediately went cold again. In spite of the sex being good for a while, the change was so abrupt, I knew it wasn't genuine. So many other things were going on in parallel that I decided to end it. Like I said, I came hope to a newly pregnant wife. I didn't want to be "that guy", so I stuck around. Then the deployment, and everything above.

    Regarding what I like to do... I'm trying to remember. Essentially I'm rebuilding myself as we speak. I gave up so many things I liked to do. Oddly enough, I'm not even sure I still like to do those things anymore. It's a very odd place to be. Raising a kid kind of takes priority at the moment. My absolute focus is on making sure he doesn't follow in my footsteps.

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    I like having some married men here (despite some saying "you can't be MGTOW if you're married." Which is complete BULLSHIT to me! That's like aying "you can't be a TRUE feminist without being a lesbian")

    MGTOW like that Red Pill is just a form of awareness. Not a movement. Not a cult. Not any of that other shit our detractors like to smear us with.

    All MGTOW is to ME IS the red pill on steroids. Yet neccessary (if you've been around the manosphere as long as my 42-year old self has been, you know exactly what I am talking about!)

    You get to a point where the some of those so-called Red Pill folks are just from SOME of this whole "DANCE monkey DANCE" PUA-esque thing bordering on pussy-begging validation instead of just using the hidden truth instead of the Disney script we've been sold all of our lives.

    For me, MGTOW was the next logical step after quite a few red pills ingested already (IMHO).

    Though I never got married and am childless (due to an abortion and miscarriages), I did cohabitate for years with a few different women and was engaged once, despite not getting married--I need to hear from some men who have been in the cohabitation trenches. I find married folks who I have been in the same trenches as I, living-with-a woman wise, to be very relatable and I do welcome them enthusiasticly. Lots of similarities sans the marriage step. (At least you guys are experienced the same way I am and are not just some TFLers hiding behind the MGTOW label as a shield.)

    Sometimes the mere red pill or ten is NOT enough. There are a few too many folks on Reddit, for example, who are either transparent infiltrators (feminists or their lapdog dickless blue pill buddies) or too much "how to I make cupcake haaaaapy?! PLEASE tell me," types.

    It sounds like you are onto a relatively new mission called Project You instead of the usual Project Her you succumbed to a while back. At some point either she comes along for the ride that at or else you are at a fork in the road.

    Anyway, welcome. Good to have you here.
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    Re: Introduction

    pbisque,

    First off, it takes a ton of courage to intro like you did. You are in a safe space now.
    Things will get better for you.

    Consider these might be the case: Life is seriously shit testing you. This is just a test.

    Thank you for your military service and for showing up here.

    We are here to help with that, "nothing is very much fun any more" problem
    to the best of our abilities.

    With much respect, sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Noy View Post
    Heh. My ex-wife has all the symptoms of BPD as well, or even Dissociative Identity Disorder.
    I am at the point where I truly believe that BPD is one of those made up spectrum disorders to pay off some low level shrink's mortgage on his beach house to retire to.

    Spectrum disorders in general are too easy to apply to anyone who annoyed us. I realized this when I reviewed past relationships under this exact lense the "professionals" gave all of "lesser" simpletons.

    Like what, was she SO GOOD at covering it up till she had what she wanted? No, not quite. Basically, the woman turned into a bitch and just as woman fall into love, they fall out of it like the children the female race truly is.

    I find NPD a dangerous meaningless lable that way too. It always some doormat an excuse to KEEP getting walked on because "Cupcake NOW has an official PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC medical excuse for BAD behavior. Keep paying us shrinks, ya bitch!"

    All it is to me is shorthand to avoid writing a paragraph about how a former lover or male pal was. As shorthand, great. As a bordering-on-religion thing? I'm not quite buying it.

    Is it something that can be diagnosed like depression or schizophrenia through an MRI?!?$$$$$$$

    Not at all! (Or not yet at least....Unless there are updates that prove this easy catchy anyone-can-have-it label...until then I am an open-minded version of King Skeptic as far as these questionable vague "disorders" from Big Pharm go.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    I'm new to this space, but not to red pill thought. I've been on the AVFM forums for a while but have grown tired of the number of women that post and read there. I've been looking for a male only space for a while. Hopefully this is it.
    Welcome, dude. There's a few refugees from AvFM here - I personally have been banned twice. The writing was on the wall when they announced that it was now formal policy to tone-police the threads.

    There was zero concern for my well being.
    Yeah, they're sweet that way, so I am told. You'll be asked for more detail - as I see, this has already happened - but welcome to the forums from me, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    The sick irony is that I had stiffened up my spine enough to divorce her only to come home that day and find out she was pregnant. FYI, I'm sure the kid is mine (rare blood anomaly). As much as sex had been absent from our relationship, as soon has her clock went off, she was always horny. Right up until she got pregnant.
    It's not a sick irony, dude. It would be a sick irony if it was by accident. It wasn't. She got herself pregnant because she knew you were slipping off the hook. Your wife knows you - your moods, what you are thinking, where you are at emotionally - as thoroughly as a good dog owner knows their dog. They make it their business to know.

    No accident, dude. It was 100% deliberate.

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    It was deliberate because her clock was going off. It is ironic because I woke up one day late.

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    Welcome to our merry band, glad you found us!
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    Just to round this out, thanks for the responses.

    Regarding game, hypergamy, etc...

    As soon as I started project me and dropped project her, the marriage radically improved. Women really do want a man that leads. Feminism has destroyed the natural order of things. We are left to figure out how to deal with the fact that legal reality does not match actual reality.

    Oh yeah, Don't get married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Noy View Post
    Heh. My ex-wife has all the symptoms of BPD as well, or even Dissociative Identity Disorder.
    Hell she has them all . Its not even funny :/
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    I am at the point where I truly believe that BPD is one of those made up spectrum disorders to pay off some low level shrink's mortgage on his beach house to retire to.

    Spectrum disorders in general are too easy to apply to anyone who annoyed us. I realized this when I reviewed past relationships under this exact lense the "professionals" gave all of "lesser" simpletons.

    Like what, was she SO GOOD at covering it up till she had what she wanted? No, not quite. Basically, the woman turned into a bitch and just as woman fall into love, they fall out of it like the children the female race truly is.

    I find NPD a dangerous meaningless lable that way too. It always some doormat an excuse to KEEP getting walked on because "Cupcake NOW has an official PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC medical excuse for BAD behavior. Keep paying us shrinks, ya bitch!"

    All it is to me is shorthand to avoid writing a paragraph about how a former lover or male pal was. As shorthand, great. As a bordering-on-religion thing? I'm not quite buying it.

    Is it something that can be diagnosed like depression or schizophrenia through an MRI?!?$$$$$$$

    Not at all! (Or not yet at least....Unless there are updates that prove this easy catchy anyone-can-have-it label...until then I am an open-minded version of King Skeptic as far as these questionable vague "disorders" from Big Pharm go.)
    No , no ! All women are crazy . BPD diagnosis only means - this one is beyond help Beyond Phuking Dhelp
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    BPD kinda sorta implies DPD. A borderline person doesn't have a strong sense of self and relies on others to supply it. The milder version of this is the classic female chameleon.

    A borderline is a person who has the emotional range of a baby - everything is either totally wonderful or totally bad right this second right now.

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    Welcome to the forum. Your wife is very lucky. Any hobbies? Glock or CZ, Pantera or Slayer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Deer View Post
    Welcome to the forum. Your wife is very lucky. Any hobbies? Glock or CZ, Pantera or Slayer?
    Glock 11 in my hand and a gleam in my eye ...!!!
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !


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