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    INTRO: Long time lurker, first time poster

    Oddly enough, I had never heard of mgtow until after my last and most likely final relationship ended. I can say now, looking back, that I had a red pill view my entire life. I believe it was and is due to my logical nature. I do not allow emotions to guide my decisions. Therefore, common forms of female manipulation have less effect on me.

    I can't recall now what introduced me to the shared view of mgtow. Probably a rabbit hole of suggested videos I fell into one day while on YouTube, which is not something I do often unless researching a new product or activity. I enjoyed Big John's videos and watched nearly all of solo's before they were removed. I did not find this current site until it appeared that the other was no longer being updated.

    Even before my first date in life, I knew I would never marry. I remember being quite honest and forthcoming with this view early in all of my relationships with women. Most accepted it as a challenge to convince me otherwise. Then, and now, I could see clearly that a man gains nothing from a legal contract to continue receiving relationship benefits that he is already receiving. With the added disadvantage of not being able to make a clean break of it if the benefits are reduced or the cons begin to outweigh the pros. That was BEFORE I spent countless hours online learning of the pain and financial hardships that women have brought to the footsteps of men they once claimed to have loved. In my youth, I summed it up simply as this "I have never once met a married man that proclaimed, marriage is great everyone should do this".

    Nowadays I won't spend $100 on Amazon without doing at least an hour of research and finding written reviews of the product by real customers. How a young man of sound mind could agree to marriage in today's climate is beyond the scope of my understanding.

    The closest I have ever come, or will ever come in my future was the last relationship I escaped. We were together nearly four years. I remember putting a spare key to my home in her pocket after we had known each other less than a month. She was everything I was looking for, attractive, no children, fit, intelligent. At the time I didn't understand what feminism was, or what their opinion of a traditional, strong man is. My last love had purple hair when I met her. Once, when offered an opportunity to promote to the corporate world, she refused to dye it a more sensible color based on her feminism ideology. She didn't get the promotion. But she got to keep displaying her feminism. Years into our relationship, she proclaimed "you can't use my body for your pleasure". I'm thinking, since when? Every woman that I've been with longer than six months has eventually confessed that they have zero interest in fucking. They all showed great enthusiasm for sharing their pussy, ass, and mouth in the beginning. It's just bait on a hook. For me, personally, to be in a long term relationship and not be satisfied sexually is not acceptable. Based on my own experience and that of the shared experience I read on these forums, I can see that a long term relationship between a man and a woman will never be 100% sexually satisfying for a man. And that's the reality check I issue to myself whenever I see a compatible female that most likely would be willing to enter into a relationship with myself.

    I read that women have a compelling interest to speed things along in a relationship. To push a man to continue to "take it to the next level". Two things at play here that I can see. The ticking biological clock, which is understandable. And the inability to continue their show of submissiveness and sexual hunger for very long. It exhausts them to pretend to be what a heterosexual strong male is looking for in a female companion. They are able to pretend. But the mask starts to crack the longer you are with them. Just in what they have accidentally revealed to me in long term relationships where they had ZERO hold on me, I can not begin to imagine the shit-storm that would ensue once they had the security of a legal contract clipped to my balls.

    I selected GHOST as the word that describes my personality best. As described in this forum: Ghost: A Ghost values his freedom above all else. He is self-reliant, comfortable with solitude, content to go unnoticed, and capable of living a fulfilling life on his own. And his personal freedom is more important to him than social approval, status, or sexual companionship. On the whole, we're not "antisocial," but we're generally asocial, indifferent to Society and its expectations, rules, and roles. An extremely accurate description of my life-long personality traits. And that is a good explanation of why I am here. Although I do not desire social approval or the bonds of "friendships" whether they be fake-friends or otherwise. It is a feel good moment in my day to read the thoughts and experiences of the like minded individuals that share here. Society would have me believe that I am doing something wrong with my life by not chaining myself to an ungrateful woman that denies me of one of the only things she can offer to make the bond worthwhile - unlimited sex. We as mgtow are definitely in the minority. But strong men that have the capability to forge their own path have always had to fly solo.

    I don't hate women. I do experience loneliness. I do still desire sex. I flirt with the idea of finding a "sugar baby" that will enter into a mutually beneficial agreement to spread her legs on command while I pay her life expenses. Even this is a risk. Eventually she will want more than she originally agreed to and when I kick her to the curb she will have the legal options that all feminist women have to make my life HELL. In the meantime, I have ordered a high quality synthetic ass and pussy from a certain "real" company. Even if it does not provide me the pleasure or realism I hope for, it is still cheaper than a divorce or trumped up charges from a scorned woman.
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    Re: INTRO: Long time lurker, first time poster

    Welcome to the forum.

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    Re: INTRO: Long time lurker, first time poster

    Welcome to the forum, brother!

    I flirt with the idea of finding a "sugar baby" that will enter into a mutually beneficial agreement to spread her legs on command while I pay her life expenses. Even this is a risk. Eventually she will want more than she originally agreed to and when I kick her to the curb she will have the legal options that all feminist women have to make my life HELL.
    Well, since you already know what the deal will be, you better not do it. Other than that, it always confused me why men would want to have such a relationship: you pay for everything while she only has to spread her legs. Sugarbaby sounds like a whore to me, and an expensive one too!
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    Re: INTRO: Long time lurker, first time poster

    Near as I can tell EVERY relationship between a man and a woman is some form of a sugar baby / sugar daddy relationship. In traditional courting a woman will never select a man that does not have the ability to pay for EVERYTHING without contribution from her own finances. And to make matters worse, the express requirement that she provides sex on command is socially unacceptable and the average feminist will have no part of that agreement. At least with a traditional whore "sugar baby" she is agreeing to the terms before the finances have been invested in her.

    A concern that I recently had a revelation about is this - Man courts girl in a polite, socially acceptable way. Girl doesn't have her fantasy come to fruition. Girl embarks on a social media campaign to throw negative light on the man in attachment of his employment. For example "John Q at Blockbuster Video demanded anal and called me a whore during sex." Say poor John Q's supervisor at Blockbuster Video is a feminist woman and John Q was interviewing for a promotion. Even though these are not legal charges, an ambitious scorned woman can end a man's career without even putting her pants on. WTF. I'm just glad I'm not twenty years old. Young men have it the worst now. 85% of them will be on the sex offender registry if the feminist have their way.
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    Re: INTRO: Long time lurker, first time poster

    Quote Originally Posted by Manuallaborer View Post
    Near as I can tell EVERY relationship between a man and a woman is some form of a sugar baby / sugar daddy relationship. In traditional courting a woman will never select a man that does not have the ability to pay for EVERYTHING without contribution from her own finances.
    There is a reason it is called the oldest profession....

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    Re: INTRO: Long time lurker, first time poster

    Quote Originally Posted by Manuallaborer View Post
    Near as I can tell EVERY relationship between a man and a woman is some form of a sugar baby / sugar daddy relationship. In traditional courting a woman will never select a man that does not have the ability to pay for EVERYTHING without contribution from her own finances. And to make matters worse, the express requirement that she provides sex on command is socially unacceptable and the average feminist will have no part of that agreement. At least with a traditional whore "sugar baby" she is agreeing to the terms before the finances have been invested in her.

    A concern that I recently had a revelation about is this - Man courts girl in a polite, socially acceptable way. Girl doesn't have her fantasy come to fruition. Girl embarks on a social media campaign to throw negative light on the man in attachment of his employment. For example "John Q at Blockbuster Video demanded anal and called me a whore during sex." Say poor John Q's supervisor at Blockbuster Video is a feminist woman and John Q was interviewing for a promotion. Even though these are not legal charges, an ambitious scorned woman can end a man's career without even putting her pants on. WTF. I'm just glad I'm not twenty years old. Young men have it the worst now. 85% of them will be on the sex offender registry if the feminist have their way.
    We have a Pay 4 Play section in this forum that you're very welcome to check out. Sugar babes sound like a bad deal to me in terms of ROI. Better to go for a sexcation imo.

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    Re: INTRO: Long time lurker, first time poster

    Welcome aboard, I like your intro.

    I investigated the whole Sugar Baby thing a few years ago. I live in Australia where we have legal prostitution so maybe that made it different for me but it is all rather exhausting. Lots of them fail to even turn up for meetings, some of them expect to be paid just to meet you of course tell them to fuck off.

    You're free to PM if you want to discuss the topic further but in general if you are using the sugar baby site I used, I would aim for women who have listed lower amounts as their expectation as they tend to be a little more grounded and easier to get along with. The problem is that many of the women on the site still expect to be wooed as if it were "normal" dating and in the end it can work out to be more expensive than just seeing whores. I never ended up getting a sugar baby because I was already transitioning from Blue to Red and I was sick of their entitlement complexes.

    I would still suggest you carefully investigate it though as whores and would be sugar babies are a real eye opener into the mind of women.

    Look forward to more of your posts, I also agree that women like to keep pushing relationships onto the next step. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain of course.

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    Re: INTRO: Long time lurker, first time poster

    Don't ever get a sugar baby. I have been down that road and they get spoiled too quickly. Its best to work on yourself. My last sugar baby was a total fucked up slut that only put out once in a while. But she put out to other guys without a problem and EVERYONE made excuses for her bad behavior. If she got controlling and demanded shit from me then everyone expected me to jump to her. The hell with that. Women only bring pain, debt, stress, and bullshit.

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    Re: INTRO: Long time lurker, first time poster

    Skip the sugar-whore and proceed directly to dolls. Much cheaper.

    Welcome

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    Welcome. I look forward to your posts.
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