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    Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Well brothers is a relative title since few people are actually worth it. Bullies, sociopaths and straight up antisocial negging people and others with the polar opposite spirit that you to the point of no meaningful communication. People with whom you want nothing to do with, are always lurking in every environment even a so called MGTOW forum.

    So we cut to the chase, I'm a no bs person. I say things the way i feel are, getting to the point of it all, but empathetic enough to try not to hurt people's feelings unless provoked. I'm a person that likes reading. That likes to explore the human psyche. I am also an author and composer but i don't want my identity revealed so i will minimise the content that could betray that identity. I'm from eastern europe.

    Do not expect any tear inducing novel-like life stories now, i may have some of those far and few, but most of it is quite dull and oldman like actually, nothing you wanna hear about in a few words. No gossip worthy info and if some exists it is too personal.

    I was born an oldman, aka intelligent, saw through the vanity and narcissism of it all, never was much into socializing, selected few friends here and there and always like minded ones. In my whole teen and college years didn't go more than 5 times to clubs etc. No reason for it and i want my liver intact and my nightsleep thank you. Never been a skirtchaser, rejected quite some chicks, and in general was red pilled before it was even a term.

    Was involved in two relationships which again, were more than enough to draw the general lines of the "game" and see how women act overall. Not just from those relationships but from my general observation of women as well. From french language professors driving me home after class, and then asking to come up my appartment "for a drink" (she was married). To chicks at work seeing me with my gf the previous night, and me seeing them with their bf, (even shook hands with bf) and despite that suggesting the other day at work "to go for an icecream together (she saw me eating icecream with gf)". Doesn't take a nuclear scientist to discern the rotteness of modern western chicks, not to mention for someone that read dostoyevsky and freud since elementary school.


    My stance on MGTOW which is the one that interests you the most obviously. I'm an orthodox christian and this spirituality is the prism that opens up all other kind of realities and true red pills, truer than the secular one. My critique and theories don't stop anywhere even if that is criticising and debunking aspects of MGTOW itself. And revealling its nihilistic elements and our own short comings as men, no less than the women's. Of course bigots and people scared to look inside, will not appreciate that and it will most probably be the reason to get banned as they did to me at the reddit forum. (the excuse was the accusation of "trolling". they couldn't even fathom i spoke my verbs for real or pretented to not understand). If the community here is open enough and is not afraid of introspection, i suspect i won't have a similar problem, and will find a platform for expressing myself.

    As for women, you will rarely if ever see me posting individual incidents or news etc. Most articles will be theoretical and will try to model the general dynamics of it all. Instead of trolling, gaslighting, or showing "how much you don't care" (why those types even comment lol), constructive dialogue on the content would be much more appreciated. The tone will generally be a bit bitter and polemic, and its only naturally cause its what the nature of women calls for. If i wanted to dwell much in my spirituality and get all sainty, i'd obviously not have any reason to even be here, i'd forgiven women and love them as sisters with all my godly might, and would become a hermit in some mountain to pray for the world. Until that happens, i have every right to stay here, let some steam, and make some mistakes.

    See you on the forums.

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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    We ask for stories if your a bit vague, or if you say something that might raise a red flag. They wanted a story from me right quick, since I admitting having some female friends and coworkers who didn't suck. It's a wonder they accepted me, a rookie talking like that. But they did. The trolls hadn't caught up with us back then, I guess.


    Unlike the family value types, we don't want an echo chamber. Say what you think is right, and give your brothers the chance to see things different if they don't agree. If you can do that, the mods will leave you in peace. Welcome.
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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    I don't know, MenWithoutChains, you come across as a bit on the offense as if you resent an expectation to be warmer than you write, and as I read the How To Intro sticky and compare it with the volume that you wrote, I wonder if you read that sticky.

    What I am saying is, for an Intro, you have a lot of chaff in there.

    You have joined only today and I see your hive mind thread first post is quite verbose. I think I may stay back until you wind down, if you do, or until I see an Intro that doesn't make me have to dissect it for adherence or clarity.
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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    For one who has seen through narcissism you've certainly not grown immune to it, I'll give you that. But let me give you a piece of unsolicited advice: Shaming, veiled or otherwise, is a woman's tactic. Preemptively calling people "bigots" or "scared" for not sharing your viewpoint is just that, plain old tradcon shaming. If that's how you're going to be, I'm not surprised Reddit gave you the boot. Invite people to explore your way of seeing things, don't demand it. No one likes a zealot.

    If you can do that, feel free to go deep. I'll offer an atheist counterpoint. Seems like you want to go broad strokes - answer this then, probably right up your alley: With the traditional contract of marriage torn to shreds by feminism, and a return to it unlikely to be possible, what form of pairbonding contract could be arranged within the current bounds of the law so that a family unit can be established without the threat of the heavily biased family court system and family law looming over primarily the man, assuming the traditional male provider/female caretaker role? Given one group of MGTOW would return to the dating pool if the threat of that legal system is no longer upon them - probably yourself included.
    Shame is a womans primary weapon. Watch for it, and call it out wherever you see it. Few women know how to handle a man immune to shame.

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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Quote Originally Posted by AeternusDoleo View Post
    For one who has seen through narcissism you've certainly not grown immune to it, I'll give you that. But let me give you a piece of unsolicited advice: Shaming, veiled or otherwise, is a woman's tactic. Preemptively calling people "bigots" or "scared" for not sharing your viewpoint is just that, plain old tradcon shaming. If that's how you're going to be, I'm not surprised Reddit gave you the boot. Invite people to explore your way of seeing things, don't demand it. No one likes a zealot.

    If you can do that, feel free to go deep. I'll offer an atheist counterpoint. Seems like you want to go broad strokes - answer this then, probably right up your alley: With the traditional contract of marriage torn to shreds by feminism, and a return to it unlikely to be possible, what form of pairbonding contract could be arranged within the current bounds of the law so that a family unit can be established without the threat of the heavily biased family court system and family law looming over primarily the man, assuming the traditional male provider/female caretaker role? Given one group of MGTOW would return to the dating pool if the threat of that legal system is no longer upon them - probably yourself included.
    Only calling it for what it is. When i began talking shit even about MGTOW, which is not perfect, as any human institution, they began seeing me as the enemy, and as an infiltrator probably. (Mind you that my posts had thousands of views and even more thousands of upvotes, and i was even recommended for moderator in not even 2 months. That's how quickly and immensely my status grew. but this didn't stop them from discarding it all in a blink.). cause let's be honest the reddit mgtow community is a bunch of whiney male feminist equivalents for a major part, posting memes and "lookwhat this chick did" news all day. They absolutely despise anything that would endager their newfound haven and religion and would prefer to look for the responsibility to be all on gynocentrism and not look for it inside. When i began the critical articles that's when the troll shaming came.
    As for your other question is very complex and i admit not answerable in the context of our current conversation. Long story short, i believe marriage is not the problem, human narcissism and male cowardice is the problem for marriage not working. If those two said issues are gradually resolved marriage will become viable again.
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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I don't know, MenWithoutChains, you come across as a bit on the offense as if you resent an expectation to be warmer than you write, and as I read the How To Intro sticky and compare it with the volume that you wrote, I wonder if you read that sticky.

    What I am saying is, for an Intro, you have a lot of chaff in there.

    You have joined only today and I see your hive mind thread first post is quite verbose. I think I may stay back until you wind down, if you do, or until I see an Intro that doesn't make me have to dissect it for adherence or clarity.
    Excuse me if those worries that you hold would escape my perception. What is it exactly so unclear. And the intro is too short compared with others that wrote their whole lifestory, as for not revealing much personal stuff i don't see that as a non right. Nor do i believe it doesn't get my background across or is occupied with plenty of chaff according to your words. As for your poetic wind metaphors i can only promise you this, i will share some opinions, if people are willing to discuss with thoughtful arguments, we might be onto something, if they just try to inject their own bias and turn to ad hominems or straight censorship, it will be obviously fruitless. That much i know, and that much i can promise.

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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    We ask for stories if your a bit vague, or if you say something that might raise a red flag. They wanted a story from me right quick, since I admitting having some female friends and coworkers who didn't suck. It's a wonder they accepted me, a rookie talking like that. But they did. The trolls hadn't caught up with us back then, I guess.


    Unlike the family value types, we don't want an echo chamber. Say what you think is right, and give your brothers the chance to see things different if they don't agree. If you can do that, the mods will leave you in peace. Welcome.
    Gotcha, thanks for sharing. And i don't see that as so surprising that you were accepted, you didnt say anything like "militant feminism rocks, let all men be enslaved forever! hooray!"

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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Manwithoutchains,
    The condescending nature of your tone is awfully off-putting.
    You seem, with all due respect, to be heavily influenced by white knight ideology; and this is the furthest thing from MGTOW. I'll have you know that white knights are the biggest enemy of free men, proud MGTOW men. They are the enablers and the enforcers of gynocentrism, and even radical feminists would be preferable to them.

    You seem genuine enough, but understand that you can't just stroll into this forum expecting people who have been here years and years and have contributed their views to simply accept what you say as if it is a revelation of some sort and allow you to shove it down their throats.

    You have already called men cowards (in the aforementioned post about marriage not working out) which certainly sounds tradcon-ish in the least.

    Yes, we welcome different perspectives and we are a curios bunch; but not to the extent that we are willing to dilute the MGTOW way of thinking.

    Also, you need to share more about the relationships you had with women, be they family, friends/co-workers or partners and you also need to share your story about how you became MGTOW, who influenced you, what the turning point was like and also talk about how MGTOW has benefitted you personally. We need more insights regarding female manipulation and deception.

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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Quote Originally Posted by MenWithoutChains View Post
    Excuse me if those worries that you hold would escape my perception. What is it exactly so unclear. And the intro is too short compared with others that wrote their whole lifestory, as for not revealing much personal stuff i don't see that as a non right. Nor do i believe it doesn't get my background across or is occupied with plenty of chaff according to your words. As for your poetic wind metaphors i can only promise you this, i will share some opinions, if people are willing to discuss with thoughtful arguments, we might be onto something, if they just try to inject their own bias and turn to ad hominems or straight censorship, it will be obviously fruitless. That much i know, and that much i can promise.
    You see, sir, you talk dramatically, as if on a stage. It's the wall of defense you maintain and that's your choice but it is visible to me. I hope that you would allow yourself to step it down to let us see you. I'm being frank. Yes, for your Intro you should write more of your life story and what happened to you (see How To Intro sticky for the areas to cover) and skip the parts about how we can expect you to be moving forward, which constituted a lot of your Intro here and is something we would find out anyway. And skip talking about bigots, trolls, and how other people do, and how other people talk to each other or how they should talk to you. All that is the chaff. The fluff. It's not part of an Intro. It's no replacement for what an Intro requires. Just get to the meat and potatoes of the matter at hand and do your Intro well. I don't think you have. Frankly, I think you have clouded your Intro with extraneous bullshit because you have too much to say and cannot wait to say it.

    Hmm... poetic wind metaphors? I meant wind with a long "I" sound, not wind like the movement of air. To wind down is to gradually relax. Not poetry.
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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    In a long first post, you hardly write anything about the two relationships except the fact that they were a generalized "all woman blah blah" thing.

    I'm already starting to see why the Reddit version of this type of a forum banned you.

    I need to hear some specifics about what happened in those two relationships that would eventually lead you to join a MGTOW forum or two. Specifics, not vague crap.

    Read this How To Intro post and follow it to a T: http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-intros/intro-27/

    One last thing, I actually got banned from this forum for a year for being too Red Pill in one post But that mod is no longer here. I know what it's like to get an unfair banning. That being said, your next post will show me whether or not you're just another concern troll or a formerly unfairly banned guy like me.

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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

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    Opaque Better condescending than pseudohumility. I was not directing any epithet to any forum member and if i ever do imply such a thing with a theory, it will be put under a context and will be explained. Humans are not aliens from different planets, we have some common patterns, and in that frame only i will generalise not as an attempt to belittle anyone and end up doing what i hate seeing others doing. Maybe this "teachery" tone doesn't aim to provoke or overshadow, but to alarm and arise conscience to those interested to explore themselves. for example "cowardice" that was mentioned, maybe we could entertain the possibility, that in some areas, and we can discuss about it, we indeed showcase such tendencies. And while i don't understand the fixation with personal stories i'll respect the social rules of the forum and give some info for sure.

    @Unboxxed You are heard loud and clear. Sorry for causing ruckus and discomfort, not intented by any means.

    @Ace Francis Write it where. A new intro? As an extension to this one?



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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Quote Originally Posted by MenWithoutChains
    And while i don't understand the fixation with personal stories i'll respect the social rules of the forum and give some info for sure.
    And there it is. Typical flagrant anti-social mocking of this forum's mere intro requirements. Which is obviously there to screen out blue pill male lapdogs and FEMALE and male feminists with a chip on their shoulder masquerading as a MGTOW forum member to only concern troll later.
    @ Ace Francis.
    Write it where. A new intro? As an extension to this one?
    Okay, I'll play this playing dumb game with you one last post. An extention where you give a brief yet not too vague summary of your two relatinships.

    But in the way that you made your reply in some "bend, don't break" sort of way to me and the others in your last post, I've pretty much lost all faith in you and I don't even care to see your answer much at this point. Briefly I am thinking out loud and I'm just going to leave the post as I typed it.
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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    And there it is. Typical flagrant anti-social mocking of this forum's mere intro requirements. Which is obviously there to screen out blue pill male lapdogs and FEMALE and male feminists with a chip on their shoulder masquerading as a MGTOW forum member to only concern troll later.
    Okay, I'll play this playing dumb game with you one last post. An extention where you give a brief yet not too vague summary of your two relatinships.

    But in the way that you made your reply in some "sort of bend, don't break" sort of way to me and the others in your last post, I've pretty much lost all faith in you and I don't even care to see your answer much at this point. Briefly I am thinking out loud and I'm just going to leave the post as I typed it.
    Hey! Champ! No need whatsoever to pull out your shields and spears. There is no persian around here to kick down the bottomless spartan well. We are brothers in a common purpose, unsimpifying the world one post at a time. Here is the link of the revamped intro: http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...68/#post128994

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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    MWC acted like they wanted in, but just got done with some name calling over in lounge that's sure to get his ass banned.


    Welcomed another loser. Son of a bitch. Least this one didn't last long.
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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Teachable moment. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a chick.

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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    I see he's now banned. I'm not surprised. What is it with these swashbuckler types who arrive with pistols loaded, looking to assert their space? Where have they been hanging out where that was necessary? Just sheathe your sword, read the How to Intro, follow its instructions, and write your story and we'll read it. But some guys burst through the door with their pre-recorded messages that we are expected to heed, always a bad sign.

    That's why I always stress that they need to write a valid Intro, and that we should not help them circumvent that requirement by responding to their side discussions, because off they will go to build on the side discussions. That makes it harder to get their attention, because we have fractured it.

    Once the banhammer gets a guy's attention, it's too late.

    For lurkers and prospective newbies, if you choose to join the site, get thee hence to the New Members Forum, read there the How to Intro sticky, and do it well. A good Intro may require of you, but it's good for both you and us that you open up a bit. Pay attention to what you are doing, because chatting your way around it does not work. Any comments in your Intro about how you are above this requirement will also not be overlooked. In fact, it's a red flag.
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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    MWC acted like they wanted in, but just got done with some name calling over in lounge that's sure to get his ass banned.


    Welcomed another loser. Son of a bitch. Least this one didn't last long.
    Not a loser. Don't talk shit about my mother, and please don't misunderstand me. Was I mistaken attacking him? Yes, and I admit it. But do you think his behavior is normal? He grabbed me from the face from the first moment i came, talks all sassy and barbaric, and behaves as a straight up bully at times. And i hate bullies. He says absurd statements like autism etc and goes through the forums completely unscathed. He chad-virtue signals and catters to gynocentric models of the "macho-man" whose worth is confirmed through women and STILL noone turns to tell him, hey dude, do you even know where the f you are? fboi forums are this way, not here. If i misunderstood him, since you guys know him longer and better, i want to apologise both to him and you for creating problems while being a mere newbie that still has little clue of how the community works. Did i deserve the ban? Probably. Lesson learnt if someone seems an ass to you and you don't match as characters ghost him. He rejected me long before he got to know me and long before i even thought of rejecting him. And if he is cool, cause i am, i'm ready to befriend him any time, i don't have enemies not ever hold grudges, i'm that stupidly kind.

    @John Deer Not a duck, not a woman, not any of that. Corny humor? Sure. High irritability? some times. Little patience to aholes adn bullies? yes, working on that.

    @Unboxxed I did the intro, and you seem one of the rational and non conspiratory guys here so thank you for understand my intent was not malicious, and that i possess the plasticity to adapt to the new demands said to me. Am i a bit antisocial because society is this narcissistic, shallow, ephemeral shithole? Yes, thats why we all are here more or less. Do i have deep respect and love for humans though and try to balance my distaste for superficiality adn vice? also yes. i'm not perfect but i'm willing to learn.

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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Great, now we're getting into a whack-a-mole situation...
    What is it with these swashbuckler types who arrive with pistols loaded, looking to assert their space? Where have they been hanging out where that was necessary?
    Rough guesstimate: Tradcon circles, ousted when the feminist koolaid flooded those grounds, and left with few spaces to assert themselves as "the better man", which their tradcon upbringing tells them they are, then surprised when they're just being treated as equals. Just being a man is hard enough these days...
    Shame is a womans primary weapon. Watch for it, and call it out wherever you see it. Few women know how to handle a man immune to shame.

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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    Man without chains? Free thinking? Bullied by Ace? Stop, I haven't laughed so hard in a week. You sure don't know much about being bullied by Ace. I wouldn't bet you know much about life without chains or free thinking either, though the jury's still out on that one.

    After reading it again, it looks like Mr. free thinking man without chains wants in on his own terms. How's that working out Mr. Chain?

    I don't see much hope for someone who brews up as quick as you, and with so little reason. But Sirreaper gave you another chance. If you want in, do your ban, read the principles and intro guides you been avoiding, and think about somehow changing your attitude. Can't you learn to say, Ace, I think your a idiot? We got enough enemy's.


    As far as Ace goes, I'll take his word over some rookies any day, and if he's proved wrong later, well I could care less. He says what he thinks is right, and don't have no hidden agenda. That's all you can ask.
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    Re: Hello brothers from other mothers. MenWithoutChains here.

    @Unboxxed I did the intro, and you seem one of the rational and non conspiratory guys here so thank you for understand my intent was not malicious, and that i possess the plasticity to adapt to the new demands said to me.
    I think we in fact were too nice to this piece of shit mangina.
    I have said it before but it bears repeating, the best way to tell if it the poster is a gynocracist of some sort, is to ask him/her to provide insights about female manipulation; in particular from personal relationships.

    Once they start calling you conspiratorial or paranoid, then you know they are a stingy bastard who are hiding life saving information about female manipulation which if shared would make even the biggest blue-piller leave the plantation.


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