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    Re: Hello

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    Whatever is really going on here,the quality of debate has improved immeasurably since his arrival. I, for one, am very glad to have moved on from Charlize Theron...

    Talking of Charlize Theron.......



    Only joking!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niceguy_chad View Post
    Oh boy........
    Well , first relationship was in school in which I was a total nice guy and caring . It went well until one day she swung back to her scumbag ex. I was begging her back and asking what happened and she couldn’t give a proper answer . After a long time of being a whimp I let her go . She came back after a few months and I took her back but I had completely changed my bahavior by then (copied a friend of mine who was good with women ) . She fell hardly in love with me when she came back but I was pretty much done with her and looking for another woman . So I left her and went to college in which I began fucking random chicks from lessons and stuff . I thought the player life was nice but it fell empty after a while . So after reading and listening to some dating coach assholes I thought I was finally ready for a relationship. Most of them were crazies and they drove me away with their insane bahavior (one was a stalker) . Last one I was dating was a hot blonde in which after many months we decided to go exclusive . Yayyy. It was all going well but she had many red flags and a long session of one night stands . We went together on holidays , we were close . Also had fights . But it was like a typical relationship . But she never demonstrated loving behavior . I was following alpha/beta behaviors from the red pill and felt like a dancing calculating monkey all the time . Anyways long story short she asked me to go polygamous and then hooked up with another guy . I was hurt but this was the last straw . I dropped the red pill bullshit . I can’t dance and calculate my bahavior anymore . This isn’t a relationship . I walked away from her and of course she didn’t give a fuck and found a guy next week . Then I went my own way .

    Is that enough ?
    Hi Niceguy-chad,

    I have stayed back and let conversations happen here and also in your other thread(s) and indeed you can be quite professorial with the things you have to say, such as your most recent post:

    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...s-woman-12145/

    In one other thread, you have asked questions like an outsider to have created a long conversation there that participants have said that they enjoyed. This is good.

    I, too, notice what other members have noticed here in that you are an observationist but seem short on personal experience. Like an outsider. Like unrelatable. Perhaps, you are just more passionate to share here as a new member the things you observe about women which drives your eloquence and are less interested in spending the effort to recount your personal experience. To you that is old news, right?

    However this thread you are reading is your Intro thread and to spend time as you did in Post #9 talking about things in general is not the point of an Intro. Please don't get sidetracked by members in this thread who go off-topic, I suppose I could remove their posts in order to halt the fracturing of your attention. Sometimes the newest members are too quick to say welcome while the older members have questioned you.

    What I am saying is that you appear to have let other members' challenges to your Intro here rest, while you create threads with your passionate observations. It would go a long way in making yourself welcome here if you would, in this Intro thread, devote some of your articulation into recounting your personal experiences in much better detail and without lapsing into generalities or philosophy which is a trap that many new members fall into when asked to write only about the personal experience.

    I've made red some of your generalities that trolls, infiltrators, and women have used to coat their brevity. You could explain in detail these things so that our newest members (and lurkers) can hopefully recognize in your details anything that is happening in their own lives. When new members give us the same old broad brush strokes, its unhelpful in that it shows little about yourself. Here is an example of a member who knocked it out of the park (Post #12):

    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...88/#post136188

    He knew how to use "I" statements and avoid branching off into, well, general things like your Post#9. His testimony was very relatable and more helpful than broad strokes.

    I need to see what you are about. You are the one who opened duplicate accounts within an hour of each other and I still don't know what could be a legitimate motivation for that. You referred to yourself as Chad until asked about it. Are you a PUA or not? I cannot tell from your Intro while I have seen you question others here as an outsider. I won't use anything you've written elsewhere. Only in this Intro.

    Clearly you can write lengthy messages, sir. Write here, please, about just your personal experiences with women. Some examples detailed and relatable. Knock it out of the park for us.

    Thank you.
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    Hi Niceguy-chad,

    I have stayed back and let conversations happen here and also in your other thread(s) and indeed you can be quite professorial with the things you have to say, such as your most recent post:

    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...s-woman-12145/

    In one other thread, you have asked questions like an outsider to have created a long conversation there that participants have said that they enjoyed. This is good.

    I, too, notice what other members have noticed here in that you are an observationist but seem short on personal experience. Like an outsider. Like unrelatable. Perhaps, you are just more passionate to share here as a new member the things you observe about women which drives your eloquence and are less interested in spending the effort to recount your personal experience. To you that is old news, right?

    However this thread you are reading is your Intro thread and to spend time as you did in Post #9 talking about things in general is not the point of an Intro. Please don't get sidetracked by members in this thread who go off-topic, I suppose I could remove their posts in order to halt the fracturing of your attention. Sometimes the newest members are too quick to say welcome while the older members have questioned you.

    What I am saying is that you appear to have let other members' challenges to your Intro here rest, while you create threads with your passionate observations. It would go a long way in making yourself welcome here if you would, in this Intro thread, devote some of your articulation into recounting your personal experiences in much better detail and without lapsing into generalities or philosophy which is a trap that many new members fall into when asked to write only about the personal experience.

    I've made red some of your generalities that trolls, infiltrators, and women have used to coat their brevity. You could explain in detail these things so that our newest members (and lurkers) can hopefully recognize in your details anything that is happening in their own lives. When new members give us the same old broad brush strokes, its unhelpful in that it shows little about yourself. Here is an example of a member who knocked it out of the park (Post #12):

    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...88/#post136188

    He knew how to use "I" statements and avoid branching off into, well, general things like your Post#9. His testimony was very relatable and more helpful than broad strokes.

    I need to see what you are about. You are the one who opened duplicate accounts within an hour of each other and I still don't know what could be a legitimate motivation for that. You referred to yourself as Chad until asked about it. Are you a PUA or not? I cannot tell from your Intro while I have seen you question others here as an outsider. I won't use anything you've written elsewhere. Only in this Intro.

    Clearly you can write lengthy messages, sir. Write here, please, about just your personal experiences with women. Some examples detailed and relatable. Knock it out of the park for us.

    Thank you.
    Well I gotta admit this is the biggest exam I've taken to ever get accepted in a forum , but I guess it repels feminists , trolls and other scum which is nice. So let's start.


    I was begging her back and asking what happened and she couldn’t give a proper answer This girl I was with in school, her first boyfriend was a scumbag who beat her. I had ZERO knowledge about women back then, so I guessed that she hated that piece of shit. After the first year of our relationship, the woman became distant(which I didnt notice at first because of her excuses to hang out and because I didnt know women). So one day during the summer I got the infamous line "I need space" and completely freaked out. I thought everything was great and shit. She told me that SHE DIDNT KNOW WHY SHE LEFT LIKE THAT. I kept asking some of my friends what the fuck does that mean and they don't me that probably there's another guy. I confronted her and after telling her repeatedly to tell me the fucking truth she admitted that she had fallen for her ex again and that she wanted to go back to him. I kept asking her if she cheated, she never admitted that she did. I asked her many times what the fuck was going on and why she wanted to go to that scum that used to beat her and she couldn't provide a rational answer. Just some bullshit(most of which I have completely forgotten) along with the line "Well I didnt agree to be with you forever". I dont remember exactly what happened but this summer I permanently removed my blue pill mindset(my best friend helped on that) and some months of no contact and she came back.

    Most of them were crazies and they drove me away with their insane bahavior While in college I began dating random chicks, I was social as fuck. Along the many sluts I dated, I encountered some freaks as well. One of them was a crazy psycho lunatic that kept dead bugs in jars.I was using her only for sex and nothing else. She sensed that I was gonna dump her soon and sent one of her girlfriends to tell a friend of mine that she would stab me if I left her then proceeded to show him a knife which she would supposedly use to stab me or cut my dick off. Another one, which to this very day is still stalking me, was a girl that one of my girl "friends" introduced me. Crazy as fuck , addicted to fun stuff like drugs but I said fuck it while we were messaging. It was going well and I thought she was a decent girl, till I learned some ugly retard fucked her. Anyway for some reason I imagined her having sex with that retard and lost interest in her. She went bat nuts. First of all she somehow would learn everything I said about her(including what a little slut she is, and how fucked up she is in the head). I spent a period not knowing who the fuck I could trust because SOMEONE was telling her exactly what I was saying about her. She messaged me that she would gather up and send an orbiter of hers to beat me up, she came twice and rang my doorbell while I told her to FUCK OFF, she told me that she wanted to kill me and also kill my mother(because she's responsible for my behavior). Anyways I have blocked he from EVERYWHERE, because when I didn't she would block me first, so I couldnt block her, then remove the block message me shit and block me back so I couldn't stop it. To this very day she makes new accounts on social media and messages me random bullshit. Also she had paid one of my friends to talk me into fucking her.

    she had many red flag I hardly fell for a hot , model looking girl in the 9s range(beauty is my weakness). BUT she was a feminist, hated straight macho men(but she would sleep with me, LOL), told me that when she broke up with her exes she would go sleep with random mento get over the ex. Dated multiple guys, her father was a beta and her mom had the upper hand in the house. Also shit tested me for bullshit in an attempt to lower my self esteem and make me a bitch. One of her favorite shit tests was : "You're not even 4 inches taller than me............?" "My ex was 6'10 and had a 10 inch dick lol , you're too short for me" Claimed that I was below her standards but she would fuck me, LOL. Note that many of her previous exes went crazy with her mind games, the chick was playing some serious psychological warfare to them. Those mind games were horrible and someone without strong self esteem would've cracked for sure. I don't blame her exes for going nuts after she coldly dumped them.

    Also had fights POWER FIGHTS, A LOT OF THEM. She just wouldn't fucking submit(damn feminists),she wanted power in the relationship(which I didnt give her), so we engaged in all kinds of mind games. She would try to make me JEALOUS all the fucking time, from mentioning her tall with a giant dick ex to talking about guys that she fancied, asking me if it would be proper if she asked another guys number while we were on dates, and told me about how great OTHER MEN were. I sometimes would drop her and we went weeks without talking and she came back , we were great then we started fighting again for random bullshit reasons.

    But she never demonstrated loving behavior LIKE NEVER. She would tell me how she was thinking about me , how she wanted me in her life but she wouldn't show it with her actions. Kinda hard to explain this one. Well for starts a person that "loves" you asks you things about yourself and what kind of person you are on the inside. She didn't. We always talked about surface matters and bullshit concerning her. She didn't ask things about me. One day I was beaten up by a gang and she was there and didn't even ask me if I was alright. We fucked that night yes , but I was the one who called her. She didn't really want to know things about me(a loving person would). She was just living in the moment.

    long story short Hahahahaha this one makes me wanna kill her. I was using TRP principles for LTRs at the time. I was using alpha behavior and she would go mad as hell, she was always afraid of me being stolen by the competition, of me being uncaring and cold , of me using her only for sex , of me being detached. So one day I was like okay man you're too harsh on her(the previous day told me how much she needed me and I wasn't there to support her while she went through a bad day). So I figure myself, fuck it, lets be a bit more caring.
    So I surprise call her and tell her that I bought her a gift and told her to go out with me so I could give it to her. We go out, and I give her the gift(funny thing is she didn't initate sex). 2 weeks pass without seeing each other and she tells me that she wants to "open" up our relationship and to go polygamous. That we weren't exclusive either way and she hated monogamy and relationships. When I heard that I knew something was SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP so next time we meet(good thing is that she was somewhat honest unlike most women) and while we're having some wierd sex(her total behavior was very wierd) she tells me that she just had sex with a random dude. It was one time thing only and if I want her that she would stop that and go monogamous. I told her fuck that, picked up any dignity I had walked away. By next week she had a new guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niceguy_chad View Post
    Well I gotta admit this is the biggest exam I've taken to ever get accepted in a forum , but I guess it repels feminists , trolls and other scum which is nice. So let's start.
    Thank you, NGC, for this level of detail. Yeah, I do believe this is relatable stuff! LOL. I had believed some members here were in doubt so it is always best to get things out in the open at the first, rather than doubters have a relapse at some future point, which unfortunately has happened before.

    One of her favorite shit tests was : "You're not even 4 inches taller than me(she was 5'11, I'm 6'2)............?" "My ex was 6'10 and had a 10 inch dick lol , you're too short for me"
    Wow. I've never had that said to me. I can only imagine what my reaction would be, "So why are you here? Move on. I'm done!"

    Thanks for attending to this, and welcome.
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    Okay, now we are getting somewhere, Unboxxed if anything, is understating the effort various groups have made and will continue to make to infiltrate and destroy forums such as this one. Several trolls, TradCon True Believers, and men who were still on the Blue Pill Plantation have tried to join this forum and have been exposed by the intro requirements.
    That some chick would shame you for only being 6'2" instead of 6'10" tells me that she felt that you weren't doing enough to raise her status within her social group, commonly called the Hive. Her last ex if he really was that tall was in the 99.99% range. Obviously she couldn't keep him and now feels that a mere 95% is "settling".
    I do think your perspective on women's interests is influenced by you being in the 95% percentile for height. Just as my perspective is influenced by being of average height for an American male. What you experience in daily interactions is not what I will experience. We will not be perceived the same way by the typical Western Female.

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    Damn, Niceguy, wow! You really had some psychos! I only had one certifiable psycho, my friends dubbed her Psycho Bitch! And another left me for a dude that beat her with a baseball bat and caused her to get a hip socket replacement because he destroyed the bone causing it to die from the trauma. I totally bailed on women and relationshits from all the psychotic behavior I see in them! There's one that walks around here time to time and acts like I'm gonna rape her or something! I learned quickly not to look at her or recognize her in any way shape of form, only for my protection from potential false allegations! I have a dash-cam for my defense and witness to any accidents in case the other party decides to lie.

    You really gotta iron clad cover your ass in this world! Otherwise you're ripe for the picking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    Okay, now we are getting somewhere, Unboxxed if anything, is understating the effort various groups have made and will continue to make to infiltrate and destroy forums such as this one. Several trolls, TradCon True Believers, and men who were still on the Blue Pill Plantation have tried to join this forum and have been exposed by the intro requirements.
    That some chick would shame you for only being 6'2" instead of 6'10" tells me that she felt that you weren't doing enough to raise her status within her social group, commonly called the Hive. Her last ex if he really was that tall was in the 99.99% range. Obviously she couldn't keep him and now feels that a mere 95% is "settling".
    I do think your perspective on women's interests is influenced by you being in the 95% percentile for height. Just as my perspective is influenced by being of average height for an American male. What you experience in daily interactions is not what I will experience. We will not be perceived the same way by the typical Western Female.
    Hahahaha dude you take them wayyyy too seriously . I realised this girl was dumb af later on. After a while she thought I was 6'4(lol) and that my dick was bigger than she thought(lol again). She also did keep telling me that her exes were idiots(a projection of what she is, lol). Also some other retarded shit tests were like :
    One day she was drunk so I told her I would drive . She asked me : "Are you a good driver?" , I'm like : "Yes, I'm very good at that" , She goes: "Well , my ex used to be a professional driver".....
    Don't take them seriously, ever. They're crazy af.... Anyways I think she branch swung me for a guy that was 6'6 in the end....I think he was one of her orbiters or guy "friends"...Doesn't matter anyway, he's gonna have the fun that's coming.

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    Re: Hello

    With all due respect, I think this Niceguy chad is not genuine. His stories are outlandish, far too impersonal and he is peddling tradcon values, which I have clearly stated is worse than even the radical feminist position because tradcon values are particularly pernicious.

    To me it sounds very much like Menwithoutchains who was banned a while back and is trying to make a comeback. And I think he has made several accounts and is trying extra hard to slip under the radar. He has changed his strategy from outright attacking us, and is advocating 'celibacy' = MGTOW are losers who can't get laid. Yet he is against masturbation = don't mastrubate and let your passions go wild chasing women. We know both sex and mastrubation are perfectly healthy activities. He tries to slip in pseudo religious rhetoric sporadically.

    And what is annoying is he preaches that women are 'random' (regarding mate selection) which is classic tradcon position.

    Women choices of males are 'random' = women are mysterious = let's learn about them, = let me give you this tradcon interpretation about how women should be modest and chaste = break your back and die for an ungrateful cunt; it will be worth it because she is chaste/modest.

    I think Unboxxed is doing a praiseworthy job and being impartial, fair yet critical. But I think these trolls are becoming more and more professional and I fear that there are more than 2 or 3 or 4 trolls, it maybe one who sets up several accounts. Once I have more time, I would like to elaborate on my suspicions.

    For now, I am just too busy to deal with this, but I would very much appreciate if Unboxxed would allow me to elaborate later on. I am just too busy with work atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    With all due respect, I think this Niceguy chad is not genuine. His stories are outlandish, far too impersonal and he is peddling tradcon values, which I have clearly stated is worse than even the radical feminist position because tradcon values are particularly pernicious.

    To me it sounds very much like Menwithoutchains who was banned a while back and is trying to make a comeback. And I think he has made several accounts and is trying extra hard to slip under the radar. He has changed his strategy from outright attacking us, and is advocating 'celibacy' = MGTOW are losers who can't get laid. Yet he is against masturbation = don't mastrubate and let your passions go wild chasing women. We know both sex and mastrubation are perfectly healthy activities. He tries to slip in pseudo religious rhetoric sporadically.

    And what is annoying is he preaches that women are 'random' (regarding mate selection) which is classic tradcon position.

    Women choices of males are 'random' = women are mysterious = let's learn about them, = let me give you this tradcon interpretation about how women should be modest and chaste = break your back and die for an ungrateful cunt; it will be worth it because she is chaste/modest.

    I think Unboxxed is doing a praiseworthy job and being impartial, fair yet critical. But I think these trolls are becoming more and more professional and I fear that there are more than 2 or 3 or 4 trolls, it maybe one who sets up several accounts. Once I have more time, I would like to elaborate on my suspicions.

    For now, I am just too busy to deal with this, but I would very much appreciate if Unboxxed would allow me to elaborate later on. I am just too busy with work atm.
    Something here doesn't add up. The examples of failed relationships are stereotypical or downright bizarre, and a couple of the thread starters -celibacy, children of divorced fathers- seemed to have been lifted from my own back story as related in my introduction thread. Then there is his inconsistency on a number of issues, and his apparent unwillingness to address the concerns that I and others had previously voiced in this thread. I can't decide whether we are being toyed with or whether -as I originally supposed- his interest is academic. I shall of course apologize if my suspicions are proved groundless. It occurred to me that perhaps Unboxxed had given the benefit of the doubt because of the way the forum has been enlivened since his arrival and the interesting discussions that have ensued. I am thoroughly enjoying the debates in any event.
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    I don't know what to think myself. If he's such a expert, why's he bothering to help us?

    While there's truth in his non intro post's, a lot of it strikes me as old knowledge. Kind a like what man without chains did. At any rate most of what he says is preaching to the choir. Seems like he's up to something, though I don't know what.

    He's been welcomed, so he's ours now. I guess time will tell what sort of member he becomes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    With all due respect, I think this Niceguy chad is not genuine. His stories are outlandish, far too impersonal and he is peddling tradcon values, which I have clearly stated is worse than even the radical feminist position because tradcon values are particularly pernicious.

    To me it sounds very much like Menwithoutchains who was banned a while back and is trying to make a comeback. And I think he has made several accounts and is trying extra hard to slip under the radar. He has changed his strategy from outright attacking us, and is advocating 'celibacy' = MGTOW are losers who can't get laid. Yet he is against masturbation = don't mastrubate and let your passions go wild chasing women. We know both sex and mastrubation are perfectly healthy activities. He tries to slip in pseudo religious rhetoric sporadically.

    And what is annoying is he preaches that women are 'random' (regarding mate selection) which is classic tradcon position.

    Women choices of males are 'random' = women are mysterious = let's learn about them, = let me give you this tradcon interpretation about how women should be modest and chaste = break your back and die for an ungrateful cunt; it will be worth it because she is chaste/modest.

    I think Unboxxed is doing a praiseworthy job and being impartial, fair yet critical. But I think these trolls are becoming more and more professional and I fear that there are more than 2 or 3 or 4 trolls, it maybe one who sets up several accounts. Once I have more time, I would like to elaborate on my suspicions.

    For now, I am just too busy to deal with this, but I would very much appreciate if Unboxxed would allow me to elaborate later on. I am just too busy with work atm.
    I did pursue your earlier concerns here about lack of relatable detail. He seems to have passed the Intro screen, yes? Yet, as we know for any member, that does not mean that it's open season for any kind of posts. Newbies are on a shorter leash. I think you should indeed elaborate your concerns. I also think that direct questions placed to the newbie by peer members can be used to evaluate if a newbie can relate to us as a community or not by his attention to them. Here, he said nothing to the issue of relatability until I threatened to ban him if he didn't get to it that very day that I contacted him about it. So, he may need direct confrontation. What I say here is not a defense, just comments.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomMak View Post
    Something here doesn't add up. The examples of failed relationships are stereotypical or downright bizarre, and a couple of the thread starters -celibacy, children of divorced fathers- seemed to have been lifted from my own back story as related in my introduction thread. Then there is his inconsistency on a number of issues, and his apparent unwillingness to address the concerns that I and others had previously voiced in this thread. I can't decide whether we are being toyed with or whether -as I originally supposed- his interest is academic. I shall of course apologize if my suspicions are proved groundless. It occurred to me that perhaps Unboxxed had given the benefit of the doubt because of the way the forum has been enlivened since his arrival and the interesting discussions that have ensued. I am thoroughly enjoying the debates in any event.
    No, it was the Intro requirement, firstly. The fact that it livened things up around here lately could be attributed to an enthusiastic newbie, as it's happened before, although he arrives loaded up and ready for bear, doesn't he? If it doesn't add up, I invite you to elaborate on inconsistency of issues as he may be a prolific man in search of a website and not a community. I have already reclassified one of his threads as Game and then his next thread he categorized as Game. So now he's aware of the Game sub-forum.

    Maybe he will wind down. But, I gently offer that any excitement he brings to this site to the extent of implying something about us is passive is really an indictment of existing membership. If he can stoke the passions of our opinions, then we must already have these opinions in us, so why are any of us waiting around for someone else to go first and express them? This forum is as exciting as what we make it, within the Principles of course. This has crossed my mind.

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    I don't know what to think myself. If he's such a expert, why's he bothering to help us?

    While there's truth in his non intro post's, a lot of it strikes me as old knowledge. Kind a like what man without chains did. At any rate most of what he says is preaching to the choir. Seems like he's up to something, though I don't know what.

    He's been welcomed, so he's ours now. I guess time will tell what sort of member he becomes.
    He may not know that he's preaching to the choir, which is something to think about. Good point about MWC.

    I don't think anyone should hold back their concerns even after seeing a Mod say welcome. We have been wrong before. Just don't use a chainsaw like Ace has, to violate principles at risk of a temp ban. BTW, Ace's temp ban expires an hour from now.

    Here's an unanswered question:

    Niceguy_chad, are you a PUA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    I did pursue your earlier concerns here about lack of relatable detail. He seems to have passed the Intro screen, yes? Yet, as we know for any member, that does not mean that it's open season for any kind of posts. Newbies are on a shorter leash. I think you should indeed elaborate your concerns. I also think that direct questions placed to the newbie by peer members can be used to evaluate if a newbie can relate to us as a community or not by his attention to them. Here, he said nothing to the issue of relatability until I threatened to ban him if he didn't get to it that very day that I contacted him about it. So, he may need direct confrontation. What I say here is not a defense, just comments.



    No, it was the Intro requirement, firstly. The fact that it livened things up around here lately could be attributed to an enthusiastic newbie, as it's happened before, although he arrives loaded up and ready for bear, doesn't he? If it doesn't add up, I invite you to elaborate on inconsistency of issues as he may be a prolific man in search of a website and not a community. I have already reclassified one of his threads as Game and then his next thread he categorized as Game. So now he's aware of the Game sub-forum.

    Maybe he will wind down. But, I gently offer that any excitement he brings to this site to the extent of implying something about us is passive is really an indictment of existing membership. If he can stoke the passions of our opinions, then we must already have these opinions in us, so why are any of us waiting around for someone else to go first and express them? This forum is as exciting as what we make it, within the Principles of course. This has crossed my mind.



    He may not know that he's preaching to the choir, which is something to think about. Good point about MWC.

    I don't think anyone should hold back their concerns even after seeing a Mod say welcome. We have been wrong before. Just don't use a chainsaw like Ace has, to violate principles at risk of a temp ban. BTW, Ace's temp ban expires an hour from now.

    Here's an unanswered question:

    Niceguy_chad, are you a PUA?
    By PUA you mean memorizing canned lines and using that bullshit in hopes to pick up women? Not really, there is nothing that can convince an uninterested woman to get in bed in you. What I can understand though is which women from the small percentage(1-10% approx) that is interested in me sexually is in an open and receiving mode. Unfortunately, I do not seek pleasure into screwing a random amount of women but experience has taught me otherwise.I think of all the women I’ve been with as people I care about and love, not objects to be used for awhile and then discard when I find a better one. Unfortunately, I know full well that they view me and the relationship this way, which forces me to adjust my behavior. It’s not natural for me to spread myself over several women, none of whom I allow to get any ideas about where our relationship is headed. But bitter experience has taught me that I really don’t have a choice in the matter. Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of women who will say they are different. But they do not act in a loving way. I didn't choose this, they chose that and is the only option I have when dealing with women. If I go monogamous with a woman, abuse and fuckedupness starts to happen real fast. Of course sometimes I prefer celibacy and to be left alone. And others I prefer the temporary intimacy of women. It really depends on the state of my mind.

    Now I got a questionfor you. How long will I continue to be tested here? Unless you think I'm trolling. But I don't know what made you come to this conclusion. Certainly my posts don't seem to have a feminist agenda or be used to spread chaos on this forum. Of cource I have slightly different opinions than some people here. If we all agreed up things we certainly wouldn't be discussing them. Anyways, I wouldn't waste so much mental energy and time(which is limited) into trolling, and I think you can understand the emotion behind whatever I'm typing here. And certainly I do not see which parts of the things I say, could ever be considered as trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    With all due respect, I think this Niceguy chad is not genuine. His stories are outlandish, far too impersonal and he is peddling tradcon values, which I have clearly stated is worse than even the radical feminist position because tradcon values are particularly pernicious.

    To me it sounds very much like Menwithoutchains who was banned a while back and is trying to make a comeback. And I think he has made several accounts and is trying extra hard to slip under the radar. He has changed his strategy from outright attacking us, and is advocating 'celibacy' = MGTOW are losers who can't get laid. Yet he is against masturbation = don't mastrubate and let your passions go wild chasing women. We know both sex and mastrubation are perfectly healthy activities. He tries to slip in pseudo religious rhetoric sporadically.

    And what is annoying is he preaches that women are 'random' (regarding mate selection) which is classic tradcon position.

    Women choices of males are 'random' = women are mysterious = let's learn about them, = let me give you this tradcon interpretation about how women should be modest and chaste = break your back and die for an ungrateful cunt; it will be worth it because she is chaste/modest.

    I think Unboxxed is doing a praiseworthy job and being impartial, fair yet critical. But I think these trolls are becoming more and more professional and I fear that there are more than 2 or 3 or 4 trolls, it maybe one who sets up several accounts. Once I have more time, I would like to elaborate on my suspicions.

    For now, I am just too busy to deal with this, but I would very much appreciate if Unboxxed would allow me to elaborate later on. I am just too busy with work atm.
    Excellent analysis, Opaque! We are on the same page, as it were. Yep, anyone claiming that women are mysterious and inherently unpredictable as to their motivations is being disingenuous. Claiming that being celibate leads to chasing women is also silly. "Out of sight being out of mind" is quite apt as men are visual when it comes to female attraction. Multiple accounts from the same IP is suspicious, I agree.
    The posting style is very similar to MWC's rants. Same old TradCon bs, but with outrageous and unbelievable stories followed by back peddling when called out on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    Excellent analysis, Opaque! We are on the same page, as it were. Yep, anyone claiming that women are mysterious and inherently unpredictable as to their motivations is being disingenuous. Claiming that being celibate leads to chasing women is also silly. "Out of sight being out of mind" is quite apt as men are visual when it comes to female attraction. Multiple accounts from the same IP is suspicious, I agree.
    The posting style is very similar to MWC's rants. Same old TradCon bs, but with outrageous and unbelievable stories followed by back peddling when called out on it.
    The problem with your theory is it assumes women make choices based on an objective evaluation of the value of a man that is commonly agreed upon. All you have to do is look around to see that isn’t true. If anything, we have a big problem in our culture with criminal status men gaining access to normal and high status women…..often ruining them in the process. Also, the idea that there is a friend zone and a sex zone isn’t true. People can and do “hop zones” all the time, with little or no effort, simply by changing their behavior toward the person. If anything, women keep their so-called male friends as a “dick in reserve”. Is that really a separate zone? No. She is just giving a guy that should be given high priority because of his traits (looks, personality etc.) low priority because he isn’t acting in the way that stimulates her neurotic personality correctly.

    Also, there is a big problem in that objective worth doesn't mean anything anymore. A large, muscular, svelte, handsome, intelligent man with tons of money naturally assumes most women will be attracted to him. He approaches a woman he wants and is shut down. He naturally assumes this is a test of the steel content of his balls and turns it up a notch... causing a bad situation. He can't believe the small pool of women he actually has to choose from and the randomness of it all. I mean, if Megan Fox rolled up on you while you were working the register at Burger King and started going oooooohhhh, your soooo hot, let's go out somewhere tonight, would you be interested or would you assume she was a serial killer and go running for the manager. Too many girls do the latter, in this situation. Something is wrong with them.

    You can and will observe that no matter how high your "attractiveness" might be , YOU CAN NEVER have your choice of women. Nothing will make you able to choose who you want.

    I've said over and over that this is the way things should be. Want a hot, high status, young, fertile woman? Then go to the gym until your body looks like a model’s, wear expensive fashionable clothes, and get a high-paying, high-status job where you are the boss. Sounds great. Those are all things a powerful, motivated man can and usually will do. There is a problem though. IT DOESN’T WORK. Women don’t give priority to men like that. They say they do, but their behavior doesn’t match up with this. You’ll get more play as a dirty, dishevelled member of a rock band that is going nowhere fast or as a drug dealer. Even the women that do go for the man with money are only looking to exploit him. They don’t want him, they want his money. Of course, they don’t want a strong man with money (because he’ll keep her on a tight leash). They want a WEAK, low status man with money.

    Anyways I'm leaving the rest to the moderator , if he thinks I'm trolling he might as well ban me.

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    Pushing the TradCon belief system like MWC did could be considered trolling. Engaging in thinly disguised shaming behavior of men who "don't have game" or aren't attractive to women also verges on trolling.
    You will be "tested" here as long as other members doubt your authenticity. There is a peer review process by established forum members, and it is clear that several of us have our doubts as to whether or not you belong on this forum. Personally I think you are better suited to a TradCon or perhaps a PUA site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    You will be "tested" here as long as other members doubt your authenticity. There is a peer review process by established forum members, and it is clear that several of us have our doubts as to whether or not you belong on this forum. Personally I think you are better suited to a TradCon or perhaps a PUA site.
    There is one thing wrong though, you aren't a moderator thus not eligible to force "your rules" upon new members nor can test me in any way. I am answering out of politeness and only.

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    You are using a straw man argument on your claim of not being a PUA. PUA do not all rely on "canned lines". But they do use the practice of "not letting the women get any idea of where the relationship is heading" that is another description of the method of portraying oneself as an Alpha/Chad, which is typical PUA mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niceguy_chad View Post
    There is one thing wrong though, you aren't a moderator thus not eligible to force "your rules" upon new members nor can test me in any way. I am answering out of politeness and only.
    Perhaps you should reread my post. I referred to established forum members conducting the peer review process as did Unboxxed. Note that neither he, nor I said the review was conducted by Mods only. In fact Unboxxed specifically requested the input of other forum members NOT just that of other Moderators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    You are using a straw man argument on your claim of not being a PUA. PUA do not all rely on "canned lines". But they do use the practice of "not letting the women get any idea of where the relationship is heading" that is another description of the method of portraying oneself as an Alpha/Chad, which is typical PUA mentality.
    I guess comprehension isn't your strongest attribute. Try to re read what I've said, understand it and then draw your conclusions.

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    Post #40 has been reported to the mods for being against forum rules. "Shaming behavior and personal insults are against forum rules"


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