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    Relationships : Started as a good guy in relationships at school , after many heartbreaks I decided that I would go only for one night stands in college . But they were cold and unfulfilling . So I decided to give relationships a try again . Tried dating advice and other YouTube bullshit. All of them failed . The women would never be able to love me . I realized they only loved and lived for the moment and nothing else . I realized that women cannot pair bond with men . This is a very recent phenomenon . Anyways after many flings I wanted to experience a loving relationship . It started with a nice and good girl . But she broke my heart many times . She cheated with other men, and never acted in a loving way . I tried many women after that , they only liked me during the infatuation stage and afterwards they moved to other guys or cheated . They always did , relationships had no meaning to them.

    Awareness : Started by dating advice on YouTube . I recently found the red pill but I couldn’t agree to everything because some things didn’t make sense according to my personal experience . I searched deeper and deeper many mgtow concepts and my dating experience till I realised there is no way I can have a normal bonding and loving relationship with a woman. So I went my own way

    Who I am : I’m relatively young . Both student and employed . I was always into partying and bullshit like that . Classic carefree young lifestyle. Also addicted to women .

    It was never hard for me to get women. The hard part was the relationship . Women weren’t simply interested in a bonding with a man . None of them . At first I thought I was doing something wrong . But nothing worked . No matter what I did , they would never be satisfied . And one night stands are petty empty . Idk how girls like that . I mean it’s fun for a while but you need some other person by your side . Someone to share things and bond with . Someone loyal , someone to love . Everyone does. All men . No matter how good with women , all of us want to fall in love . Women simply aren’t interested
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    Bro, you're living in the fruition of woman's liberation and all it endeared! The laws of social construct eons old are all tossed out and burned on feminism's funeral pyre! It's not gonna return to any semblance of normal! Just like an atomic core meltdown it's gonna spew it's toxic poisons for generations to come giving us all the birth defects we see in law and order today along with the fully developed and monstrous mutants of law and order from yesterday!

    The only out is in your own custom built MGTOW nuclear bunker, to isolate yourself from the femtomic radiation!

    I've been in my bunker for 22 years and suffer none of the side effects of this contamination! Side effects like broken family, divorce rape, homeless, alimony, and a host of other legal ailments!

    They're not stopping the mushroom clouds either! Just about every day they launch another test with resulting increase in gynocentric radiation!

    Welcome to MGTOW, where men escape that world of death and destruction and live happy, normal, and peaceful lives.


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    Thank you brother . At first I was suspicious of MGTOW thinking it was toxic as fuck, judging by the members of other manoshpere communities but I found out it was calm as breeze . Peace of mind since MGTOW . Iíve never been that peaceful

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    Excuse me sir, but your post is lacking in detail. Please give us a detailed account of what happened with the aforementioned romantic encounters. We need more specific information.

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    Oh boy........
    Well , first relationship was in school in which I was a total nice guy and caring . It went well until one day she swung back to her scumbag ex. I was begging her back and asking what happened and she couldn’t give a proper answer . After a long time of being a whimp I let her go . She came back after a few months and I took her back but I had completely changed my bahavior by then (copied a friend of mine who was good with women ) . She fell hardly in love with me when she came back but I was pretty much done with her and looking for another woman . So I left her and went to college in which I began fucking random chicks from lessons and stuff . I thought the player life was nice but it fell empty after a while . So after reading and listening to some dating coach assholes I thought I was finally ready for a relationship. Most of them were crazies and they drove me away with their insane bahavior (one was a stalker) . Last one I was dating was a hot blonde in which after many months we decided to go exclusive . Yayyy. It was all going well but she had many red flags and a long session of one night stands . We went together on holidays , we were close . Also had fights . But it was like a typical relationship . But she never demonstrated loving behavior . I was following alpha/beta behaviors from the red pill and felt like a dancing calculating monkey all the time . Anyways long story short she asked me to go polygamous and then hooked up with another guy . I was hurt but this was the last straw . I dropped the red pill bullshit . I can’t dance and calculate my bahavior anymore . This isn’t a relationship . I walked away from her and of course she didn’t give a fuck and found a guy next week . Then I went my own way .

    Is that enough ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niceguy_chad View Post
    Oh boy........
    Well , first relationship was in school in which I was a total nice guy and caring . It went well until one day she swung back to her scumbag ex. I was begging her back and asking what happened and she couldn’t give a proper answer . After a long time of being a whimp I let her go . She came back after a few months and I took her back but I had completely changed my bahavior by then (copied a friend of mine who was good with women ) . She fell hardly in love with me when she came back but I was pretty much done with her and looking for another woman . So I left her and went to college in which I began fucking random chicks from lessons and stuff . I thought the player life was nice but it fell empty after a while . So after reading and listening to some dating coach assholes I thought I was finally ready for a relationship. Most of them were crazies and they drove me away with their insane bahavior (one was a stalker) . Last one I was dating was a hot blonde in which after many months we decided to go exclusive . Yayyy. It was all going well but she had many red flags and a long session of one night stands . We went together on holidays , we were close . Also had fights . But it was like a typical relationship . But she never demonstrated loving behavior . I was following alpha/beta behaviors from the red pill and felt like a dancing calculating monkey all the time . Anyways long story short she asked me to go polygamous and then hooked up with another guy . I was hurt but this was the last straw . I dropped the red pill bullshit . I can’t dance and calculate my bahavior anymore . This isn’t a relationship . I walked away from her and of course she didn’t give a fuck and found a guy next week . Then I found bonecrker and went my own way .

    Is that enough ?
    The reason you get the third degree is from trolls and infiltrators degrading the site, the more we know about your personal experiences, the more we can determine if you're genuine, so with that in mind, please don't feel interrogated or singled out, it's just that we're not here for trolls and infiltrators to get their shits and giggles, we're here for men that have had enough and decided to end the bullshit this society and culture puts us through!

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    It's not just story's we look at. Playing dumb and dragging you feet when asked for more details don't make you a troll, but it looks bad. You got right back to us. That don't prove your not phony, but it's a good sign. Hang in there and maybe answer a few more dumb questions. Some guys get asked more questions, other's not so much. Don't wonder why, that's just how it is.
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    Re: Hello

    I still can't figure out why you are interested in MGTOW, or what propelled you into considering becoming a MGTOW. By your own admission, you are a chad. Which begs the question, what does a chad have to gain from becoming a MGTOW, and what would he be doing on a MGTOW forum?

    What does MGTOW mean to you?
    How are men, the average 'everyday men' oppressed in the modern gynocracy and why do you find it unjust?

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    Well by "Chad" I'm being facetious. Most of the guys are attractive where I live. Or maybe more attractive in comparison to women. The country is this way. My brother is younger and even more attractive and he's already red pilled. He has experienced the ruthlessness of women firsthand. I'm telling you , women are crazy today. I don't think MGTOW is strickly exclusive to people who don't have dating options, LOL. I was MGTOW before being here. Nor do I think MGTOW means celibacy .

    The thing is most of the guys have been played and hurt by women out there. Doesn't matter where you are in the pecking order. There is action and reaction in everything. The action in the woman's part to hurt us lead us to search answers by ourselves, first dating coach assholes and then figuring out that the game is rigged. Thus going our own way. Yes sometimes women will come , and we will fuck them. But take them seriously ever again? BIG NO. I've been very well informed of their intentions by now. Also I wanted a nice stable family someday, a legacy to leave behind. The fucked up thing is that I cannot do that anymore thanks to feminism.

    Also being attractive means jack shit to women. There are countless out there who cheat on their boyfriends with less attractive men , or women swinging from a healthy relationship with a high SMV guy to a scumbag lowlife. You could be Brad Pitt , it doesn't matter . Women would be just as shitty.

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    I don't think MGTOW is strickly exclusive to people who don't have dating options, LOL. I was MGTOW before being here. Nor do I think MGTOW means celibacy .
    MGTOW has never meant men being cowardly towards women, shutting themselves off from society and masturbating at home all day.

    MGTOW is an awareness first and foremost that the larger part of history and the overwhelming majority of societies in the world are in one way or another gynocentric.

    Also being attractive means jack shit to women. There are countless out there who cheat on their boyfriends with less attractive men , or women swinging from a healthy relationship with a high SMV guy to a scumbag lowlife. You could be Brad Pitt , it doesn't matter . Women would be just as shitty.
    Women do piss off men eventually, but I wouldn't agree good looks play no role. Women are very superficial when it comes to matters of looks and social prestige.

    Well I don't know what to say about this would be MGTOW applicant. It doesn't seem to me there is enough 'intensity' or 'relatability' in the aforementioned posts.

    I will leave this with the rest of the fellow members to chime in.

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    Re: Hello

    I have similar reservations, Opaque, the aforementioned posts, as you point out are distinctly lacking in both intensity and relatability in my opinion as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Well I don't know what to say about this would be MGTOW applicant. It doesn't seem to me there is enough 'intensity' or 'relatability' in the aforementioned posts.

    I will leave this with the rest of the fellow members to chime in.
    I too am sceptical. I have the sense that this is someone who has stumbled on the MGTOW concept and wants to know more about it, perhaps testing where he himself stands and what are his priorities in life. Or maybe his (her?) interest is purely academic. In any event, the questions asked and points raised in this and other threads have prompted some excellent responses from forum members so, to that extent, it has been a worthwhile exercise.
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    I have the sense that this is someone who has stumbled on the MGTOW concept and wants to know more about it, perhaps testing where he himself stands and what are his priorities in life. Or maybe his (her?) interest is purely academic.
    It seems like the would be applicant is far too focused on the conceptual angle of MGTOW; hence the lack of relatability. If you come at MGTOW from a conceptual level; it's fine, but it shows more of an academic interest rather than a personal experience you yourself have been through.

    The would be applicate says that regardless of looks, women will still treat you unfairly; and that is certainly outside the MGTOW mentality. Women do judge a book by its' cover; most often this is the case.

    The thing is most of the guys have been played and hurt by women out there. Doesn't matter where you are in the pecking order. There is action and reaction in everything. The action in the woman's part to hurt us lead us to search answers by ourselves, first dating coach assholes and then figuring out that the game is rigged. Thus going our own way. Yes sometimes women will come , and we will fuck them. But take them seriously ever again? BIG NO. I've been very well informed of their intentions by now. Also I wanted a nice stable family someday, a legacy to leave behind. The fucked up thing is that I cannot do that anymore thanks to feminism.

    Also being attractive means jack shit to women. There are countless out there who cheat on their boyfriends with less attractive men , or women swinging from a healthy relationship with a high SMV guy to a scumbag lowlife. You could be Brad Pitt , it doesn't matter . Women would be just as shitty.
    You often use 'we' 'us' and so forth and I am not very comfortable with this, it shows a certain 'distance' as if you are 'removed' from what you are saying. And then you speak about feminism messing up the tradcon dream of marriage. The issues between the two genders are way way more complicated than feminism, and we try to analyse it on this forum bit by bit.

    The feminist narrative isn't actually all bad. We do not want to fall into this dichotomy of man = good, women = bad. Progressive = bad, traditional = good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelEye View Post
    There are members that will shame you if you are a pua, or speak of several one nite stands that you've had. Then you'll read posts by Alik S, who is probably an inside troll of either jagr or another mod, who will boast about his ongoing fucking of a certain married woman, then Alik S, & others on this sham of a forum, will BEAT THE FUCK verbally out of women who cheat on their husbands!!! So here is what this site pedals : First, we're MGTOW's, we won't pander to women who ride the cock carousel, But it's OK if WE HERE MGTOWS ride the PUSSY CAROUSEL.
    Provided we can keep it respectful, I would be interested to see the issues Steel Eye raises debated in a separate thread. I mentioned in my introduction that, after a few casual encounters with women (OK - escorts ) following my divorce, I opted for total celibacy. I have read some of the literature on "recreational game" etc, but I just don't buy it: the word that Steel Eye uses -hypocrisy- comes immediately to my mind. There are other factors at play here, not least my values and beliefs as a Christian, but leaving those aside it just doesn't sit right with me, post-red pill, that I should still be beholden to a woman or women for something so personal and elemental as sex.

    I don't judge anyone here for the compromises he feels he has to make in order to satisfy his sexual urges. An essential part of "going our own way" is that we each make our own choices in this regard as in others. But I would like to understand better how those who get their kicks from P4P, FWBs or whatever are able to reconcile that with their recognition and avowed rejection of gynocentrism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    It seems like the would be applicant is far too focused on the conceptual angle of MGTOW; hence the lack of relatability. If you come at MGTOW from a conceptual level; it's fine, but it shows more of an academic interest rather than a personal experience you yourself have been through.

    The would be applicate says that regardless of looks, women will still treat you unfairly; and that is certainly outside the MGTOW mentality. Women do judge a book by its' cover; most often this is the case.



    You often use 'we' 'us' and so forth and I am not very comfortable with this, it shows a certain 'distance' as if you are 'removed' from what you are saying. And then you speak about feminism messing up the tradcon dream of marriage. The issues between the two genders are way way more complicated than feminism, and we try to analyse it on this forum bit by bit.

    The feminist narrative isn't actually all bad. We do not want to fall into this dichotomy of man = good, women = bad. Progressive = bad, traditional = good.
    Excellent post, Opaque! You precisely put into words ideas and conclusions that I was struggling to define yesterday. Yes, the OP is approaching this forum and the MGTOW concept from a conceptual level, not an experiential level. The OP has thought about Red Pill experiences, not lived them. It also appears that the OP is fairly new to Red Pill forums, there's some use of buzz words but there is a lack of awareness of what 90% of men experience with regard to how women treat them.
    As Opaque points out, the word choices of the OP show a intellectual distance from the Red Pill experiences being discussed, as if this is research for an article or term paper.
    Yes, we strive to avoid the false dichotomy/straw man argument of man=good, woman=bad and traditional=good, ect.

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    As Opaque points out, the word choices of the OP show a intellectual distance from the Red Pill experiences being discussed, as if this is research for an article or term paper.
    Yes, we strive to avoid the false dichotomy/straw man argument of man=good, woman=bad and traditional=good, ect.
    Yes, very well said 'intellectual distance' is a very satisfactory wording.

    If we start to peddle women = bad, men = good, we will become stupid idiots who will be ripe for the picking. I have mentioned it plenty of times before, but the reason men are totally fucked is because they cannot deal with ambiguity and nuances. Women can, and that is why the excel is social affairs.

    ''Women are emotional, men are rational. Liberals are stupid, traditionalists are smart''
    This is going to be our demise and dumb-down our intellect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Yes, very well said 'intellectual distance' is a very satisfactory wording.

    If we start to peddle women = bad, men = good, we will become stupid idiots who will be ripe for the picking. I have mentioned it plenty of times before, but the reason men are totally fucked is because they cannot deal with ambiguity and nuances. Women can, and that is why the excel is social affairs.

    ''Women are emotional, men are rational. Liberals are stupid, traditionalists are smart''
    This is going to be our demise and dumb-down our intellect!
    We need to be vigilant against falling into that false dichotomy trap and not hesitate to point it out when other men make that mistake. There are those who will fall into that trap due to Red Pill Rage and there are those who are only too willing to guide men into that trap.

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    I don't judge anyone here for the compromises he feels he has to make in order to satisfy his sexual urges. An essential part of "going our own way" is that we each make our own choices in this regard as in others. But I would like to understand better how those who get their kicks from P4P, FWBs or whatever are able to reconcile that with their recognition and avowed rejection of gynocentrism.
    This thread is meant to be NGC's introduction thread, but I thought I would speak to what you have mentioned. MGTOW, as far as I understand it, and as far as I have 'digested' it is the notion, the awareness firstly that we live in a gynocentric world is actively hostile towards the average man, what I like to call the 'everyday man'. High status hyper alpha males will obviously be excluded from the 'everyday man' but of course this doesn't mean they are unwelcome on a MGTOW forum; we could certainly benefit from their insights.

    So the first step is to realise that we live in a gynocracy that is actively hostile and has brainwashed and manipulated you from birth.

    After that, it really is pretty much up to you.

    I went out on several dates this week, I thoroughly enjoyed the outing and benefitted hugely from developing social skills, making friends and increasing my professional network. I also got to spend some romantic evening with one of the girls.

    I don't have a plan to marry her or even think about dating her seriously. She herself was only interested in one night stand. Now does that make me a 'bad' person? An 'immoral' person? Does it make her a bitch? Is she 'promiscious'?

    This is way too simplistic a way to think about human affairs.

    If we want to make a moral criteria, then we have to apply it to all humans, all societies, at the same time in order to make it a fair criteria. And we all know that is not possible, it never has and never will be.

    So how does a MGTOW reconcile their rejection of gynocentrism while still having an active social and sexual life? Well, you don't have to reconcile, you can continue living in a world of paradox and making your own way as you move on in life. As long as you are conscious of the paradox.

    If you want to reconcile, you can become a hermit, a celibate, a devout christian monk (or whatever other religious). You can even get married if you like (but that would take you out of the MGTOW fold).

    You can spend your whole life hating women, being bitter and angry towards them and treating them like crap or completely ignoring them. That is fine too.

    You choose your own masculinity, in your own way, at your own pace. If you seek advise, the fellow gentlemen are here to help.

    MGTOW doesn't prescribe ethics, it is a descriptive endeavour of the world we live in. MGTOW stands or falls on whether the description is accurate or inaccurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    This thread is meant to be NGC's introduction thread, but I thought I would speak to what you have mentioned. MGTOW, as far as I understand it, and as far as I have 'digested' it is the notion, the awareness firstly that we live in a gynocentric world is actively hostile towards the average man, what I like to call the 'everyday man'. High status hyper alpha males will obviously be excluded from the 'everyday man' but of course this doesn't mean they are unwelcome on a MGTOW forum; we could certainly benefit from their insights.

    So the first step is to realise that we live in a gynocracy that is actively hostile and has brainwashed and manipulated you from birth.

    After that, it really is pretty much up to you.

    I went out on several dates this week, I thoroughly enjoyed the outing and benefitted hugely from developing social skills, making friends and increasing my professional network. I also got to spend some romantic evening with one of the girls.

    I don't have a plan to marry her or even think about dating her seriously. She herself was only interested in one night stand. Now does that make me a 'bad' person? An 'immoral' person? Does it make her a bitch? Is she 'promiscious'?

    This is way too simplistic a way to think about human affairs.

    If we want to make a moral criteria, then we have to apply it to all humans, all societies, at the same time in order to make it a fair criteria. And we all know that is not possible, it never has and never will be.

    So how does a MGTOW reconcile their rejection of gynocentrism while still having an active social and sexual life? Well, you don't have to reconcile, you can continue living in a world of paradox and making your own way as you move on in life. As long as you are conscious of the paradox.

    If you want to reconcile, you can become a hermit, a celibate, a devout christian monk (or whatever other religious). You can even get married if you like (but that would take you out of the MGTOW fold).

    You can spend your whole life hating women, being bitter and angry towards them and treating them like crap or completely ignoring them. That is fine too.

    You choose your own masculinity, in your own way, at your own pace. If you seek advise, the fellow gentlemen are here to help.

    MGTOW doesn't prescribe ethics, it is a descriptive endeavour of the world we live in. MGTOW stands or falls on whether the description is accurate or inaccurate.
    Thank you, Opaque. I hope I didn't come across as moralizing. I am here not just to voice my opinions but to have them challenged and possibly changed.

    Here's what I take away from the above and from stuff I've read elsewhere on this website-

    Most men get a shitty deal compared with -and because of the hostile actions of- most women. With our minds thus enlightened, and our consciences clear, we are free to 'pump and dump' our way through the entire female population, to ghost women entirely, or do anything in between those two extremes. Our choice.

    Is that it?

    I would respond that if a man's new found-awareness of his situation is real then it will necessarily manifest itself in certain behavioral changes - i.e. he will make choices that he would not have made in his blue-pilled state, and dismiss options that he might otherwise have taken.

    I remain 99% sure that celibacy is the right path for me for the reasons stated and alluded to in my previous post. I still find it difficult to understand how a red-pilled man could allow his biology to make him dependent, however fleetingly or occasionally, on the attentions of a woman. One man's "hypocrisy" is another's "paradox", perhaps. On the other hand, I am conscious of a tendency on my part to over-simplify matters- another legacy, no doubt, of my Catholic upbringing.

    (My apologies to NGC for hijacking his introduction thread with this. Perhaps, in due time, one of the moderators could tease out some of the threads-with-in-a-thread that have developed out of his original post.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    As Opaque points out, the word choices of the OP show a intellectual distance from the Red Pill experiences being discussed, as if this is research for an article or term paper.
    Whatever is really going on here,the quality of debate has improved immeasurably since his arrival. I, for one, am very glad to have moved on from Charlize Theron...
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