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    The Cake is a Lie.

    Now in Technicolor 3D!! Added posts for decent story

    Skip the first post, Its just rage.
    [I've been hurt in relationships, sure. Who hasn't been? Most of the times I was was when I was fairly ignorant and believed in all the disney nonsense. I've had fairly good relationships as well and I'm not really bitter, I'm just seeing things as they are, minus social and biological programming.]

    [What does a female offer me in any situation?]
    snatch, validation and arguably, affection.
    and now what am I expected to offer?
    money at every turn, chivilry when convenient, "fair" treatment when not, an EMMENSE legal risk, loyal and loving without being desperate and still displaying I can get other women, and a laundry list of other quasi-requirements.
    Why on earth would I pursue a relationship with an individual who belongs to a group wherein enough members display the following characteristics that these are the rule and not the exception: MANIPULATIVE, entitled, emotionally abusive, hypergamistic, dishonest, childish, victim-complex, narcissistic, PRIVLEDGED, borderline sociopathic, etc.
    And to top it all off, I am supposed to be the pursuing party, lucky in fact, to be allowed to pursue? I'm supposed to risk my life and resources for women I don't even know, because I am disposable? I am supposed to just sit here and listen to first world women, possibly the most privleged and provided for group in HISTORY, tell me that they are victims. I am supposed to be okay with being told statistics I know are horribly untrue and proven so time and time again; sit through prejudist VAWA presentations and straight up misandristic speeches at my CONSERVATIVE SCHOOL IN THE BIBLE BELT (MTSU) that are federally encouraged, practically labeling all men as predators and women as helpless victims, before I can attend school. Im supposed to believe that once a female takes a sip of alcohol she is no longer resposible for her actions, but for men, like so many other laws, this does not apply.
    Thats whats underneath the icing of the cake thats for sale and I'm not buyin it.
    Biologically I'm born addicted to it, Society says its delicious and if I'm a man I have to eat it.
    If I'm a man I'll find some woman to provide for.
    If I'm a man I'll ignore the 46% divorce rate, over 72% of which are initiated by WOMEN.
    If I'm a man and divorced, I'll continue to pay for and support a woman that no longer supports me, even though she has a much higher chance of taking more than 50% of my resources at the start of the divorce EVEN IF SHE DID NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR OWNERSHIP. Even if she is a psycopath or has a drug problem she is 80 times more likely to gain custody of our kids.
    If I'm a man, divorced and left in financial ruin, I'm urged to get back out there and let this happen again, more probable than not that I will cut my resources by more than half again, while most females can only gain.
    If I'm a man I take this in stride, happy even, to be a part of this madness.
    I'll take a pass.
    Logically I would be incredibly stupid not to.
    I'll keep my money, my time, my sanity, dignity and self respect.
    I refuse to be a slave to a broken system or any female and I'm not hungry for cake.

    I've always been smart, especially for my age, but if, at 22 years old, I've got this figured out, theres a storm coming for females, and its going to be genuinley hillarious when it hits. what I don't understand is that it seems they're doubling down, speeding up, driving into the storm. My Username is Harleys&Beer cause I like those things, pleased to meet ya.]
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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    Hey there.

    Please review our thread on how to do an introduction and fill in some of the gaps. Thanks.

    http://www.goingyourownway.com/showthread.php?t=27
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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    Looking for anything specific? I hit on all 3, just didn't go super into detail on some. I will but that's much less interesting to type about.

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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    What made you wake up from the matrix, what was your "red pill moment"? What kind of relationships did you have etc. This stuff is what we need from you. We all know the statistics, female nature, society's double standards etc. That doesn't qualify as an intro. We don't need you to bare your soul before us, but we do need to make sure you're not a troll.
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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    hmmm. Hard to say if there was an exact moment. My whole life, to my own detriment more often than not, I have questioned everything. From when I was in preschool, we had to hold a rope when going to and from the playground and I always refused, walking somewhere close to it because it was the same thing, to laws that didnt make sense, common accepted beliefs, everything. I think if I didn't have this quality, I wouldn't have reached this place so early in life. I'm a very logical person, and have grown more emotionally vacant as the years have gone on so I'm sure that helped me along as well.

    ___The biggest, earliest moment were I had a Red Pill moment was either freshman or sophmore year of highschool (bear with me, I'm only 22), though I didn't realize it at the time. The only phone number I have memerized besides my parents to this day belongs to Erica Jade Fultz. She was quite pretty, but nothing rediculous. She was not very well off financially, her parents were split up, and she stayed with her crazy, abusive mother, leaving her to care for her younger brother. We got along well, had several classes together and I got a crush on her very quickly.

    Now I had been a bit sheltered as a child, switched schools more often than I'd like to have, and also just hadn't spent enough time around females to act on such feelings before. I didn't know what they really want, so I threw myself at her. I realize I must have reeked of desperation but I really did love her, and like any ignorant male, thought the best way to win her over would be to be honest and forthcomming about the whole thing. HA! What a fool I was. I did it all, made her mixed cds, brught her bacon in the mornings (her mom was a vegitarian), talked her through her problems, tried to hang out, etc. and she was cool with that and talking, but always pulled back whenever I tried to pursue her romantically. I suppose its worth mentioning that at the start of highschool I was not very attractive and was overweight, but I was on the wrestling and rugby team so as time went on I became more and more desirable and attractive. After around 8 months or so of treating her like a princess, doing everything I can to win her over, she starts dating one of my childhood best friends in our class, Griffin. I don't remember how I initially reacted but I got passed it and tried to continue to be her freind.

    Seems like most mornings at that point she would come into 1st period either in tears or close to it, from something related to either her mom/home situation, or something to do with Griffin. I would do my best to console her and make her happy, not realizing the wedge she was driving in between me and one of my 3 best friends. things reached a breaking point eventually and they broke up, Me and Griffin had all types of falling outs between that time and then and we never really did get the friendship back that we had. You'd think this is where the story ends, and youd be right, if I had any sense back then. Things progressed in muchof the same way as before, but I doubled down. I took her to florida, the lake, several other places, bought her real jewelry and doted on her hand and foot. Once when we were out on a Seadoo on the lake I put it in idle, turned around and we had a long talk, at the end I tried to kiss her. She didn't recoil, she didn't lean in, out, anything. She didn't move a single muscle. just sat there so I did to. Waited a few long uncomfortable minutes and then gave the universal "what the fuck" hand motion and we went back to the boat. Didn't talk to her the rest of the day. After she was at home she called me and we talked and she reeled me back in a bit.

    Fast forward a bit, probably 18 months or so into this. We're texting one night and shes just being mean as hell, crushing me, saying shit that only she would know, and stuff like I love you blah blah blah JUST KIDDING Ill never love you,etc. Really fucked me up. It may seem dumb but my life revolved around her. I'll admit that I cried, even though I hate that I did. I found out a few days later that that wasn't her. Though she was watching and laughing at it the whole time while Spencer Easterling, one of Griffins friends that she was now fucking, who I had never wronged in any way, destroyed me. I called and confronted her about it, and she just talked more shit, saying I wouldn't do anything, and she somehow turned it around so that she was mad at ME because I texted the dude and told him I was gunna kill him and confronted him. I lost my fucking shit. I put several holes in my closet door, cracking a growth plate on my right hand, causing it to swell up pretty big. For a few days the rage was right under the surface, boiling.

    Saturday night football game, I'm hanging out with a few rugby players and one of my friends behind the bleachers tossin the football around, just bullshittin and someone came up and pointed. There that mother Fucker was. Had a small circle of guys he was with by a horse cop and he had his back turned to me. To top it off, Griffin was talking and joking around with him. I saw red. I walked up to him and without breaking stride, in a move I still dont understand how I executed, grabbed him by his throat, threw him over myself, slamming him to the ground, turned him around and started beating on his face. Griffin saw me coming and kind of nodded at me, or maybe he was trying to alert Spencer, don't know. It didn't last long, One of my rugby friends and the cop pulled me off of him, the cop told me to beat it now, or I was going to go to a squad car, and after a few seonds of fuming me and my buddy walked off.

    Word travels fast and I guess she heard about it. (oh no my FZ slave really is mad) and she came down and talked to me, said I shouldn't have hit him but I did good and kissed me. Hyped up on testosterone and addrenaline, I picked her up and carried her around for a bit talking to her but I was still furious. Didnt understand it at the time but this is the red pill moment. I gave my soul to the girl for what a kid is forever, and she treated me like shit the whole time, fucked my friends and talked so much shit to me to the point that I almost killed myself, and all I had to do was punch some guy? After waking around for a bit I came up to this mud puddle and dropped her in it.

    I would give ANYTHING to see that moment again.
    Talk about poleroid priceless, that face... incredible.

    Spencer spent the rest of the game in the bleachers literally by his mom, I can only presume, scared to death I was gunna find him and have round 2.
    I got in a LOT of trouble about it but when my dad came at me about it I told him the whole thing. Come to find out Spencers mom was threatening to call the cops on my dad and me. he took the door off its hinges, went over there and told his mom exactly what happened. He told me later he said, "look at what my son did to his door because of your son. and your son continued to antagonize him even afterwords." even handed her the text log he printed out. Never heard another thing about it.
    Not really relevant to MGTOW but the story needs closure.
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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    I did not change any names and I don't intend to. If anyone of these people read of find this, I want you to know that I still think you're horrible people.

    I didnt really become a MGTOW due to that but I think it was a big eye opener and definitly a life shaping happening in my life. I dated after that and even had some "Successful" relationships. There are a few worth mentioning and few stories on those girls for a later date. Probably will add them here. Anyways, My last relationship was fairly good, the girl, Megan, was better than most are, though I feel this is partly due to her realizing her SMV is low because she had a son. Yes, yes, I know. We had some good times, and I liked her. Never did love her, even though I'll admit I told her I did. Highly physically compatable, and that was the majority of what the relationship was about, especially towards the end. We fucked like rabbits, she enjoyed me greatly, and I still think that she gave me the best head I'll ever get in my entire lifetime. The only thing it seems like major that we argued about was that she wanted to move in, and I would NOT have that, under any circumstances (learned that lesson from the previous relationship) though she stayed about half the week, every week. She cleaned, cooked, bought me things, and was not really a parasite. I can honestly say, she might have spent more on me than I did her, and we spent a lot on each other. Probably one of the best women I've been with. Not without her faults though, she was kind of immature, could not operate a social enviroment without being surgically attached to my hip, poor mother instincts, and had no drive to be anything more than a gas station employee or for the last half of the relationship, a factory worker. Her adoptive father though, is still one of the coolest people I've met. Haven't spoken a word or anything since the breakup but I imagine if she wasn't around he'd still be really cool with me.

    ___I am very succesful for my age. At 21 I was a homeowner (albeit small), and have a new harley as well as a truck. I am in the Army reserves and was VERY successful at a Chevrolet and Cadillac dealership in sales. Well, the car business here has been in quite a slump and it got me thinking about the long game. After a lot of deliberation, and a few months time indicated to me that things were not getting better any time soon, I decided to go back and finish my degree in a high paying field, and among other things, this would involve me moving about 45 minutes away. Every time I brought this up she would loose her mind, throwing fits or crying and just overexajerating to the point it was obnoxious, made me mad, and I physically did not understand what her fucking issue was.

    We were out one night with some of my friends and aparantly I was being a bit of an ass, I didn't realize at the time because I was fairly intoxicated and we talked shit to each other in a good natured ribbing, almost flirty, kind of way, similar to how I would talk shit to one of you guys jokingly to show that I care. Anyways, at one point she got up and left. 20 minutes or so went by and I started looking for her but she was nowhere to be found. After a while we found her in the back of my truck laying down crying and we brought her back in and I apoligized for being an ass.

    come to find out, it wasn't even about that! It was that I had casually brought up going back to school in conversation!
    like, I'm sorry I'm going to go better myself?

    Like always I told her she was being rediculous and that I wanted to make it work. We would actually have MORE time together because I wouldn't be working my typical 65-75 hour work weeks, even though it was a bit farther. These instances happened regularly and It was quite annoying.

    __fast forward a bit: 2 weeks till I move out! She said she wouldn't be able to come back before I moved so I helped her pack her stuff in her car and the next morning she left. I don't know if its anything others have experienced but I know goodbye sex when it happens, its completely unique, and thats what we had that night. After Erica, I was never the type to constantly be up my females ass with my cell phone, and especially now, I dont really like keeping it around. Its just a bothersome device when it rings, and I mainly use it for the internet. So a few days went by and I texted her, acting and feeling as if nothing was amiss. no answer for the whole half of the day, peculiar.. I call her when i get home from work and she ignores my call so I shoot her a text saying "why did you ignore me? just let me know if youre okay or not" and let it go.

    I wake up a few hours later to a barrage of texts, 9 pages or something rediculous, saying the same things she had a million times before when she tried to bitch about me moving. Pretty to the point, I said something along the lines of "I dont know what you want from me, weve had this conversation a million times, Ive told you I want to make it work, but no I cant promise everything will be the same because it won't be, what else is there?"

    she sent some more pages basically trying to get me to come chase her and I had enough. I said "okay fine."
    and we haven't talked since!
    she proved to me she wasn't worth chasing, so I just didn't, simple as that. I wasn't torn up about it, and honestly, I don't feel any type of way about it.

    At the time I was studying dog psychology because I like understanding the world around me. I have to know the 'Why' of things. I didn't understand what was going on in Megans mind to make her act so anti-logically so it wasn't a large jump to female psycology, and one day I just hit a mental tangent. I started looking up some videos, articles and the like on female psychology and stumbled upon some MGTOW videos. I think they were Sandmans first but I'm not sure.
    and it was like.. not a miracle..
    but incredibley satisfying,
    almost relating to a euphoria
    when all of my rage at the pussy pass, my rage about how females act and get away with, the double standards, the victim card, the laws that make no sense, the SHARP army bullshit thats sexist, my rage at the femenist movement, all intersected with female psychology with laser focus.

    Couldn't get enough of the videos, they verbalized many thoughts I had had over years past, taught me new things, well overfilling my initial thirst for understanding. They showed me too, my experiences were not isolated incidences. I continued reading and watching videos, and somewhere along in the process the most important thing happened: all of the fragments of thought I had had before and the new things I learned, were put together, assembled like a puzzle, everything a part of the bigger picture that I could finally see.
    And what a liberating picture.

    As a person that craves understanding like a fat kid craves cake, this has been one of the most rewarding mental tangents I have been on in a while.

    So here we are. I'm MGTOW now, and I don't miss females one bit. Seeing their actions through bullshit-proof lenses is incredibly life changing.
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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    Need more?

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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    Glock or CZ-75?

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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    Niether. HK is hands down the best pistol you can buy (besides maybe a Kimber). I have a USP9 and 45, and really want a P2000SK in .40 for CC, but I want to sell the 9 first.
    Why potentially trust your life to anything other than the best?
    Being that you're from the maple leaf country, I'm going to guess you're partial to the CZ?
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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    Welcome. I'm generally sceptical about guys who just came out of an LTR and proclaim to be a MGTOW now because they're "done with women", as it's inevitably a temporary thing and they haven't really internalized anything. The fact that you don't sound salty about it is a good sign though.
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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    I saw one rather chilling comment by a red pill wife re sperm - that your wife is apparently entitled to it.. it's hers.

    Hence why they view porn&masturbation as cheating - it's invoking the old Levirate law...

    I thought they wanted to bin the "patriarchy"....

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    It's been a long time coming Aintdealing, before I knew what this even was, I had a few concepts down, and saw the ridiculous imbalance. I have a few (very liberal) female cousins living in Cali, and we've gotten in bitter arguments, were they eventually either get all emotional or act like I'm attack them instead of their feminist ideals, pull the victim card and jetpack out of the conversation, proving my point and at the same time making me madder all the same.
    I really don't feel any type of way about the breakup or being done with females, and I feel like instead of the typical, all at once type of redpill people get through trauma usually, I've been getting little pieces of them, throughout life, bit by bit.
    As such, the redpill rage has been more of a drawn out process, and when I discovered this, it just put it all together. I didn't know there were other guys out there who thought all these same things that I did either.
    Probably the biggest realisation, was that I don't have to play the game; I can just stand up and walk away from the table. I guess due to social programming, I just hadn't even thought of this as an option, even as analytical as I am. I'm sure I'll catch hell for it being that my peers are all creatures who this is what their life revolves around at the moment. I am trying to at least open up one of my close friends to this though.
    Hes like I was before, kind of. He sees the unfairness, and wants to know why people act the way they do. Hes fairly smart but very blue pill. He paid for a girlfriends medical school, and when she graduated he still had a year or so to go. She left him, after not sleeping with him for 6 months or so. I know he still thinks about her and is probably very bitter, which may or may not work to our advantage.
    I've talked to him about the difference in the male and female "lizard brain" and he eats the shit up.
    Hes smart, but I feel like he may knee-jerk reject this philosophy.
    Any advice on how to proceed?

    Alcockell, that may have some truth to it, but I think a bigger reason why they react so negatively to porn and masturbation is because your taking away their main hold over you, and decreasing their SMV to yourself. Especially if they have to maintain appearances of an exclusive relationship, its like you are going around the system that gives them power.
    and what can you say going around the system is in most circumstances? Cheating.
    Thats one that I can work out.
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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    We have a saying in MGTOW and it's the same for your friend: "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". I'd stick to dropping red pill breadcrumbs rather than giving him a full dose. I know from your perspective (and mine also) it doesn't seem like that much of a big deal, but for some people it is. They're so invested in this blue pill paradigm that they'd rather die than to accept the truth. It's not your job to convert or babysit people. You're free now, focus on yourself, live as an example. That's the best thing you can do imo.
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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    Ever heard of Aristotle's cave metaphor?
    Well right now I feel like the man who has just seen the light. I suffered through the pain already and have seen some of the real beauty of things, REAL things. No more shadows, no more darkness, just absolute clarity.
    I feel like the metaphor is just about perfect in relation to MGTOW philosophy.
    Even though I know if I were to go back to the cave and start to free my brothers and drag them out of the cave, I'll most likely be killed. I still can't help longing to set them free. Don't you?
    I know I can't 'save' everyone, hell I realise I might not 'save' anyone. If anyone is to be saved though, it would be Zach; He's got very loose chains.
    Good advice though, and I thank you for it! I'll just keep dropping breadcrumbs and see if he can follow the trail.
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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    Welcome! Glad to have you here. Pull up a chair and grab a beer!
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    Heya Harleys - I'm new here but want to wish you welcome. I think you're in a good spot, given that you've been able to see through the veil so early. Your stories remind me a little of some of the same experiences that I had had a long time ago. It reinforces for me the fact that it is amazing when you stand back and are able to look at it objectively and realize that you just don't have to play the game. I think your friend hasn't seen that yet. And so many of us believe that there is no alternative - that we have to engage with them, that we have to play the game. No. We really don't. I'm over in Williamson county, so I'm not too far from you. Good luck with your education!

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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    You really aren't, I've worked in williamson county, know a fair amount of people from there, and travel through it often. I'm guessing you are somewhere close to brentwood or cool springs.
    That area is particularly bad, almost militantly gynocentric. I wonder if its due to the general wealth of the area?
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    Another young buck! If only I had figured this shit out at your age...You lucky bastard...

    Welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harleys&Beer View Post
    You really aren't, I've worked in williamson county, know a fair amount of people from there, and travel through it often. I'm guessing you are somewhere close to brentwood or cool springs.
    That area is particularly bad, almost militantly gynocentric. I wonder if its due to the general wealth of the area?
    Thank you for the well wishes!

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    Re: The Cake is a Lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harleys&Beer View Post
    Niether. HK is hands down the best pistol you can buy (besides maybe a Kimber). I have a USP9 and 45, and really want a P2000SK in .40 for CC, but I want to sell the 9 first.
    Why potentially trust your life to anything other than the best?
    Being that you're from the maple leaf country, I'm going to guess you're partial to the CZ?
    I'm shooting IPSC and I'd suggest looking into USPSA . Running with scissors is dangerous , running with a gun Is IPSC.
    Action sports are so much fun.
    I'm running a CZ shadow in production division.


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