View Poll Results: How do you Identify?

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    As I read every post in every forum, and would probably continue to do so, the structure as such doesn't bother me much.

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Bachelors (MGTOW)- Focus on self-improvement, socializing. Open to dating, open to taking action (see action subforum). Male fraternity. Red pill (about women) is just one subcategory. Outlook is optimistic.


    Neutrals (MGTOW) - More about contentment, risk-mitigation. Discussing Red Pill is primary topic: attitudes of women, female behavior, how relationships/marriages can sour. The impact of feminism in the workplace, in life in general. Generally not interested in dating, or taking action (ie: MRA).

    Ghosts (MGTOW)- a fulfilling life on their own. De-prioritize socializing. Generally perceive the world as declining and a dim view of their fellow man. Strategies for living life on their own in a rewarding way.

    My take on the definitions is that I see a two-axis matrix hidden here.

    Axis one is positivity versus negativity, let's enjoy versus let it burn.

    Axis two is desired degree of interaction with women.

    My suspicion is that Jagr aligns with let's have fun and interact with women, and is therefore more likely to conflate the two axes.

    For myself, I am extremely social and extremely optimistic, love the idea of a cross- geography and cross-racial brotherhood of men. But absolutely ZERO interest in dating or MRA action.

    So 50% positive strong correlation with the Bachelor definition, and 50% strong negative.

    I guess I will identify as Neutral.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    I would just like to say that you guy's are freakin' awesome. Every last one of you.
    No matter how attractive a woman is. No matter how beautiful she is. Somewhere, out there, some guy is sick of her shit.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by Indianajohn View Post
    I would just like to say that you guy's are freakin' awesome. Every last one of you.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Ghost...im in full blown let it burn mode
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    In response to the two Axis as provided by Victor, here is my take:

    Axis one is positivity versus negativity, let's enjoy versus let it burn.

    Cost benefit analysis. What's in my / my kids best interests, enjoy or walk and let it burn?


    Axis two is desired degree of interaction with women.

    Cost benefit analysis. What's in my / my kids best interests, enjoy or walk and let it burn?

    Axis three is....

    Cost benefit analysis. What's in my / my kids best interests, enjoy or walk and let it burn?
    Cost benefit analysis. What's in my / my kids best interests, enjoy or walk and let it burn?
    Cost benefit analysis. What's in my / my kids best interests, enjoy or walk and let it burn?
    Cost benefit analysis. What's in my / my kids best interests, enjoy or walk and let it burn?
    Cost benefit analysis. What's....

    Do I seem like an automaton with the simplest, yet most effective, of programing?

    That's because I am. My MGTOW is not complex. It's a single line of code.

    Take female coding as an example, as one line of code, that basically describes every living female:

    A female with not associate with a male unless the association is to her benefit. If there is no benefit, she will walk and let them burn. They do not exist to her.

    Now, let's take this code and apply it to a male MGTOW:

    A MGTOW should not associate with anyone unless the association is to his benefit. If there is no benefit, he will walk and let it burn. They do not exist to him.

    (Of course, the female code is socially acceptable and the male code is vile despite it being the exact same code. MGTOW is letting society deal with that...)


    We're just doing what women have been doing since the dawn of time. Looking out for our own self interests and thwarting our self-defeating instinct to feel our value comes from helping others, especially the females we really want to stick our dicks into. Is real MGTOW ghosting? Or is it getting your dick wet without feeling one iota of obligation to "provide" - to become a resource? Both are valid. If either man in either case BELIEVES then he's gone his own way and has overcome societal expectations and biological imperatives, then he's a MGTOW.

    I cannot tell another man he's not a MGTOW. If he's gone his own way, then he's gone his own way. That said, if he kowtows to a wife and her three sisters, or let's his ex walk on him, or is a hardcore feminist, I may not associate with him. That's because MY MGTOW is the highest level directive FOR ME. Remember:

    Cost benefit analysis. What's in my / my kids best interests, enjoy or walk and let it burn?

    I associate with whom I chose, even if they are MGTOW. The code always rules. If following the code means harsh language, or abrupt abandonment of a relationship, or even my own sadness or discomfort... too fucking bad. The. Code. Rules.

    I think I would be more inclined to let another MGTOW "be" than get into hot debates online. If I disagree, I might state that, but qualify my statement with: "That is his MGTOW, this is mine. Ours need not match and we need not agree. So long as we support each other in our search for truth and our own definition of MGTOW, we are brothers in MGTOW. As soon as we try to impose our values or life choices on others, we are not.

    We can all be completely different. Our only commonality should be that we abandoned all harmful expectations and imperatives and kept ones (or adopted new ones) which are to our benefit. This does not mean being pathological, or antisocial or hurtful to others, or seriously exploitative. But it does mean we won't *sacrifice* ourselves for some "greater bullshit cause" that society has turned into some kind of fairy tale.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    I am undefined. You men won't try and put me into a box because you know even if you imprison my body my mind will remain free. I have a directive - an agenda - that's to do whatever is in the best interests of three living human beings: me and my two children. I can be whatever and whoever I need to be on a given day, for whatever reason I need to be. Everything legal that I do is simply a means to an end. Anti-feminism is important, because socially it's good for children. So, in that light, I do have the capacity to care for others, so long as me helping them with their cause (or flat tire) does not jeopardize or thwart my prime directive.

    Do you men not see the incredible power of having few to no attachments? To walk past 99% of the needless drama of modern society without batting an eye? With zero fucks given?

    You need to add a fourth choice to that list:

    d) Undefined

    Nobody can define me. And if they do, ten minutes later I will morph into something else.

    Dynamic. Changing. In constant flux. Information comes in, it's processed. I am like a machine. My answers are simple and based on a simple directive and individuals are seen as either an asset, neutral or a threat. God help those in that last category.

    The best thing about being me is that nobody gives a sh1t about me. I am offering nothing to society or the opposite sex, so 99.999% of people have no use or interest for me. Those who shame me? I smile and reply: "Your opinion has no relevance. No meaning here. You can continue to waste breath, it's your breath."

    That is either a sad thing, or a totally incredible liberation, depending on where one is at with their MGTOW philosophy.

    The closest category would be 'ghost' then... One helluva ghost.
    Now, see, why can't I just write it all out like that? I can't be put in a box either. It doesn't work. In fact, when I joined this site, it was with great deliberation to choose a username to represent me, and I chose my handle Unboxxed, because anybody who tries to categorize me will eventually realize that they may have assumed too quickly. So, with my username I've chosen my "Type" already.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    I think I would be more inclined to let another MGTOW "be" than get into hot debates online. If I disagree, I might state that, but qualify my statement with: "That is his MGTOW, this is mine. Ours need not match and we need not agree. So long as we support each other in our search for truth and our own definition of MGTOW, we are brothers in MGTOW. As soon as we try to impose our values or life choices on others, we are not.
    I'm so glad you said that, Sid!

    One of the problems that keeps cropping up, here, is that we've got members who seem to need to assert their worldview against others. It's not too surprising, when you consider that MGTOW itself is a contrarian philosophy, and we're each of us accustomed to defending it from the mainstream mob ... but it becomes a problem when someone who's against Game, for instance, seagull-swooping into a Game thread to attack Game. Or when someone drops a "Let it burn" message into a discussion about Action.

    Part of our restructuring will be to provide not exactly "safe spaces," but at any rate "dedicated spaces," to each of these three camps - Bachelor MGTOW, Ghost MGTOW, and Straight-Up MGTOW - rather than lumping everything together in the Lounge, with mods occasionally moving threads into other areas where they appear to fit better. We're also designing sub-forums within each of these MGTOW-spaces, breaking them out so it will be easier to find "the right place" to post your threads, organizing them so you can follow your interests or catch up on something new to you. For instance, if you're looking for a vacation-spot, we may be discussing vacations in a "Bachelor MGTOW" sub-forum - or if you're looking to expat, we may be discussing that in a "Ghost MGTOW" sub-forum.

    We believe this will give more scope to the spectrum of MGTOW, and a better way to encompass its breadth.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    One of the problems that keeps cropping up, here, is that we've got members who seem to need to assert their worldview against others. It's not too surprising, when you consider that MGTOW itself is a contrarian philosophy, and we're each of us accustomed to defending it from the mainstream mob ... but it becomes a problem when someone who's against Game, for instance, seagull-swooping into a Game thread to attack Game. Or when someone drops a "Let it burn" message into a discussion about Action.
    I figured this is why the new system was proposed in the first place, but I just wanted a mod to explain it first. In that respect, it makes sense to me, but I have a hard time arguing against the points brought up by other posters about how sometimes a contrarian view is necessary. I think there's a huge difference between respectful disagreement and thread derailing with comments that are contrarian but not constructive. Per my status, I'm pretty neutral (pun intended) about the change, until I can see how it plays out. It's not like the bachelor zone is going to tolerate new guys coming in asking advice about how to propose, and I still expect that threads about a difficult girlfriend will be called out as usual.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    .... an ever-increasing trend of negativity, of the "Let-it-burn" mentality. There's a tendency to see the future as bleak ....
    So what exactly is wrong with having a positive mindset on the small scale while realizing the bleakness of it? I mean is that considered bad here?

    The world IS going to shit, let it burn. In the meantime, let's have a good time, be positive and enjoy ourselves. When it's time to fight, we fight. Meanwhile, chill.


    Why do I have this attitude? There was not a single man that could have stopped the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. Some problems are too large for one man to handle. I know my limits, therefore I have no intention of tilting at windmills.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Sign me up for the Bachelor camp.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Optimistic ghost, negative bachelor, neutral go-getter.. depends on how drunk and/or stoned i am.

    I voted ghost because i tend to avoid most people when sober, but i must agree with the many posts here. Splitting us up makes the opposing views unseen and become missed lessons, and keeping us in certain boxes just gives us pats on the back from those who already agree.

    However, i do think giving ourselves a well-thought out label on our profiles of how we identify could be really fun.

    For this, we would most likely need a page to disclose what each label means.. impossible and rediculous, i know.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Bachelor.... Since recently I have decide to chase some tail. Although when I bounce back I'll be neutral.




    I would say I pull from descriptions in all 3 categories, and in each category there is something I would not say currently applies to me (definitely not MRA)

    All for this... let's just see how it goes.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    I have to agree with Chukhed, one major problem I have is picking a box to be in. My opinion will change from hour to hour. Sometimes I am okay dating a woman, then a few hours later and a few drinks later I lean towards calling up this woman and telling her I just banged two escorts and her best friend. Now as tempting as this is to do sometimes, I don't actually do it. I do know this much, I can see and even be banging a woman and thanks to these forums and a few others I know exactly where crossing the line into real danger is. I also know that if I am flirting with that line too closely others here will tell me. I also know that the ghosts here will tell me that even wasting my time to meet up with a woman is asking for trouble.

    Now do I feel the ghost have it right, or the neutrals or the bachelors? Hell no, each man has to work out what is right for him. However everyone here does have valuable input that can help out others. For example if I post about banging the neighbor's dog, someone here will probably tell me to make sure to pet her first or feed her first. Bottom line is that I feel that adding in these labels is about like buying a $200,000 dollar sports car then putting an "I love Wal-Mart" bumper sticker on it.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    I'm not sure I like having to categorise myself. I picked Bachelor because I seek to achieve in life, and I also spend my time mentoring young men and helping them make that difficult transition through young adulthood. I also have no objection to having a woman along for the ride in certain facets of my life, but it has to be on my terms. I'll not become a plough-horse for anybody. Still, I feel like I could easily have picked "neutral". Surely it's sufficient to simply create new subforums and request that people post in the correct one?

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    I pick bachelor but I go through periods where I ghost. I will still meet and sleep with women sometimes but I'm very picky not just in looks but personality too. I'd never consider a post wall woman because quit simply, I don't think I could keep it up, especially if the lights were on.
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    I picked ghost... Based on the descriptions it's pretty much where I am, I dont want to have anything to do with society or women anymore..

    Mostly I just want to die and be left the fuck alone!!

    I'm to fucking mean and cruel to be around other humans and would enjoy seeing every city on earth turned to ash so yeah I really don't care about anyone else or what their opinions, beliefs, and thoughts may be.

    I know I'm not well like by some here, and have had my run in with the rules whis is why Im more quet now.. Ehh... whatever right?

    I'm just in to much pain and agony to concern myself with being part of polite society anymore so I'm gonna withdraw even more into my shell and brick that fucker up with more iron and lead to keep out the noise..

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    Hey T. You're heavy-handed but you're alright!
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by Primus_Pilus View Post
    The world IS going to shit, let it burn. In the meantime, let's have a good time, be positive and enjoy ourselves. When it's time to fight, we fight. Meanwhile, chill.
    This!! I sometimes like to take little breaks from my good life and watch the various news channels. Why? It's like pulling up a chair, getting some popcorn, and watching the plantation go deeper into its decline. It's always good to be reminded of what we have been saved from by going our own way and not following the script.


    Quote Originally Posted by Primus_Pilus View Post
    Why do I have this attitude? There was not a single man that could have stopped the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. Some problems are too large for one man to handle. I know my limits, therefore I have no intention of tilting at windmills.
    This!!





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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant View Post
    Hey T. You're heavy-handed but you're alright!
    You have no idea how heavy handed...

    And I'm not alright, i'm abrasive mean, cruel, and really fucking dark...

    but thanks for saying do anyway.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    We can all be completely different. Our only commonality should be that we abandoned all harmful expectations and imperatives and kept ones (or adopted new ones) which are to our benefit. This does not mean being pathological, or antisocial or hurtful to others, or seriously exploitative. But it does mean we won't *sacrifice* ourselves for some "greater bullshit cause" that society has turned into some kind of fairy tale.
    This needed to be repeated. Great point.






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