View Poll Results: How do you Identify?

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    If I had to pick one category for myself it would be neutral. Although, I can be in any of the three categories at any given time depending on the circumstances. Iím still not sure what the purpose of the categories is. I come to this forum to share my experiences, to learn from the experiences of others, to offer advice, to interject some humor, and to enjoy the camaraderie of red pill men across the spectrum of backgrounds. I donít need nor do I desire agreement or validation from anyone. Differences of opinion and banter between members is healthy and productive. I donít see it as negative at all. Iím not going to shy away from a topic because it might be uncomfortable. Itís an opportunity to learn.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    i don't mind being restricted from commenting on the game and p4p sections.

    calling myself out is good for me. labeling myself keeps me from thinking too much, or trying too hard. i respect people who can game and get prostitutes, but i don't have the desire to try and take the risk. so i'm a ghost.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    I think I'm going to start doing the "Add as Friend" option with the people I feel that I may be able to learn from and identify with better...Maybe something could indicate "Friends", not necessarily visible to all...Maybe there is a block feature available to weed out certain members...(I wouldn't be offended if someone blocked me for personal reasons)...

    There is so much wisdom here, hidden nuggets of gold everywhere. And, to me, I am willing to wade through the muck to pan for a few flakes...

    Perhaps, an experience level segregation, as in newbies, brothers, and warriors?

    I ghost but, am quite optimistic in reality...I wouldn't have made it this far if it wasn't for so many of the random contributions to this site...And, sometimes in certain company I'm a happy-go-lucky bachelor...But, one of the main things that have helped me the most was that I needed a place where I could vent...and seek advice...I found it here...Most everyone here understands the mindfuckery we are all up against...In real life, people get scared, annoyed, don't have a clue, or just don't care...

    That is our common bond...We "Get" It...

    Some of us use it as armour, some as weaponry, some of us are still trying to simply de-program...

    There is always going to be disagreements of opinions, pulling of some chains, and tough love...

    Some of us can explore deeper within ourselves than others, some don't even need to...Some go off the deep end a little, some just stepped into the kiddie pool for the first time...Some do both at the same time...

    Perhaps a segregation by reigion/culture, sub-categorized by age/experience, sub-catergorized by what goal brings us here?

    Perhaps, not even sub-catergorized, rather icon representations noting affiliations, similar to the reputation/likes tally...Maybe a relationship tally, marriage/divorce tally, children tally, active diet/fitness indicator, PUA/MRA indicator, experienced in p4p indicator...

    I know I feel like a schmuck when I throw my two cents in at a brother that could teach ME a thing or two...I'd think twice before replying if I saw his tally-spread...

    And, with a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease, I only offer these ideas as someone that would need to call customer support to properly reboot my computer...as if I understand even the first thing about creating/running a website...

    All I know is: I'm grateful that this place exists...

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    I am undefined. You men won't try and put me into a box because you know even if you imprison my body my mind will remain free. I have a directive - an agenda - that's to do whatever is in the best interests of three living human beings: me and my two children. I can be whatever and whoever I need to be on a given day, for whatever reason I need to be. Everything legal that I do is simply a means to an end. Anti-feminism is important, because socially it's good for children. So, in that light, I do have the capacity to care for others, so long as me helping them with their cause (or flat tire) does not jeopardize or thwart my prime directive.

    Do you men not see the incredible power of having few to no attachments? To walk past 99% of the needless drama of modern society without batting an eye? With zero fucks given?

    You need to add a fourth choice to that list:

    d) Undefined

    Nobody can define me. And if they do, ten minutes later I will morph into something else.

    Dynamic. Changing. In constant flux. Information comes in, it's processed. I am like a machine. My answers are simple and based on a simple directive and individuals are seen as either an asset, neutral or a threat. God help those in that last category.

    The best thing about being me is that nobody gives a sh1t about me. I am offering nothing to society or the opposite sex, so 99.999% of people have no use or interest for me. Those who shame me? I smile and reply: "Your opinion has no relevance. No meaning here. You can continue to waste breath, it's your breath."

    That is either a sad thing, or a totally incredible liberation, depending on where one is at with their MGTOW philosophy.

    The closest category would be 'ghost' then... One helluva ghost.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    Ghosts (MGTOW)- a fulfilling life on their own. De-prioritize socializing. Generally perceive the world as declining and a dim view of their fellow man. Strategies for living life on their own in a rewarding way.
    I guess i qualify as a ghost although i always thought that to be a ghost you had to be off the grid as much as possible in regards to work, owning property etc.

    Any clarification on "ghosting" would be nice.
    "Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything ó you canít conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Since I'm still married I don't fit in any of the three categories. Does that mean that I am no longer welcome here? If so, go ahead and ban me.
    This is the sort of negativity that the mods are talking about. No-one wants to ban you IndianaJohn, and although some of us don't think you can be strictly MGTOW while married, some of us do.

    Why not just take the question in the spirit it was intended? If you want to be offended, then you will be.

    If there are people causing trouble, those people should be dealt with. Having every one else further classify themselves seems overkill to just letting the ban hammer fall on those being assholes. From one perspective, it can be seen as accommodating the assholes by having everyone else divide themselves under a secondary (Bachelor, Neutral, Ghost...???) sub MGTOW classification.
    I don't think it's about that at all Demosthenes. I think it is an exercise in recognising that although we are all allies here, we should note our differences and acknowledge that they have their merits. Do you think you might be reading into it a little too much?

    Differences of opinion and banter between members is healthy and productive. I don’t see it as negative at all. I’m not going to shy away from a topic because it might be uncomfortable. It’s an opportunity to learn.

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    I feel exactly the same way Callahan, which is why I think getting a clearer idea of where we stand would be a good idea. For me, highlighting some differences would encourage the friendly discussion.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant View Post
    I don't think it's about that at all Demosthenes. I think it is an exercise in recognising that although we are all allies here, we should note our differences and acknowledge that they have their merits. Do you think you might be reading into it a little too much?

    As I said, there's a different vibe here than at HQ. I am not deep into the sub forums here very often so I looked at it from a MOD POV and dealing with those causing the rifts/problems. It is possible I don't 'see' what others are seeing here. (I'm on the outside, and I'm looking in <- decent description - good lyrics)

    If it's not a trouble maker issue, I still don't see paring things down into getting people to further label and classify themselves as having value or being overly meaningful.

    There are some married MGTOW over at HQ. Anyone that doesn't think 'they can be real' is welcome to their opinion, but that doesn't mean we have people slamming them or that we allow that junk to persist if it happens.

    I still stand by my thoughts that if people can't accept that there is going to be a diverse range of people, interests, politics, races, nationalities, religion, etc, then they are the ones who are going to need to be addressed.

    This site can't be all things to all people, or even to all MGTOW minded men.

    In one respect, the issue can be resolved with a blanket statement from the site controller/mods that anyone shit stirring will be handled - be it warned, temp ban, perm ban or whatever. We all have something in common here. Focusing on the differences or slamming others for an interest, pursuit/hobby simply is being a dick. Even separating and tiering the forums a bit more won't keep dicks from being dicks when it comes to those areas if they decide to enter and post.

    Maybe I seem/sound a bit heavy handed, but I've always been behind the idea of what brings us together being more important than the differences. That goes back to even the old forum before this site and HQ.

    If there are those people who have a problem with the 'diversity' (those stirring the pot), then those people by definition, are the ones who should be addressed. Trying to turn 'goingyourownway.com' into branch 1, 2, and 3 (Bachelor, Neutral and Ghost) won't help things much if people continue to stir things up, and none of that will do any good if the moderating aspect becomes more work than it should be because of that change.

    Maybe I'm too much on the outside of this to completely 'get it'- dunno, but I'm still not adding another label for myself.

    I do hope none of this comes off as confrontational. None of it is meant to. Just stating things from my perspective.

    Peace.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Neutral.
    But then again, the main reason I come here is male fraternity which is in the bachelor category, so I guess I'm mostly neutral. Oh, 'mostly neutral'. I hope I didn't offend anyone with that bold stance.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    This is probably a good idea. These subcategories are inevitable because we have different world-views. Its like Jagr says: 'Sometimes you think its good to have differences but the life philosophies are too different; often this results in pointless contention.'

    The contention does become pointless because there are times when differing opinions are set in stone for each individual; there will never be a resolution and nothing learnt from either party. Its the only way to manage the situation.

    You will always need some rules to be able to function freely and this might be a good way for us to share ideas with like minded individuals to further enhance the direction we're taking. Fundamentally though, we're bound by MGTOW.

    I'd like to share a story:

    A lion was taken into captivity and thrown into a concentration camp where, to his amazement, he found other lions who had been there for years, some of them all their lives, for they had been born there. He soon became acquainted with the social activities of the camp lions. They banded themselves into groups. One group consisted of the socializers; another was into show business; another was cultural, for its purpose was to carefully preserve the customs, the tradition, and the history of the times when lions
    were free; other groups were religious -- they gathered mostly to sing moving songs about a future junglewhere there would be no fences; some groups attracted those who were literary and artistic by nature; others still were revolutionary, and they met to plot against their captors or against other revolutionary groups. Every now and then a revolution would break out, one particular group would be wiped out by another, or the guards would all be killed and replaced by another set of guards. As he looked around, the newcomer observed one lion who always seemed deep in thought, a loner who belonged to no group and mostly kept away from everyone. There was something strange about him that commanded everyone's admiration and everyone's hostility, for his presence aroused fear and self-doubt.
    He said to the newcomer, "Join no group. These poor fools are busy with everything except what is essential."
    "And what do you think is most essential?" asked the newcomer.
    "Studying the nature of the fence."

    A few of us here are like that loner; we've seen through the status quo and are simply observing the nature of reality in front of us, rather than taking any kind of action. Does that entail a negative world view? Not necessarily, although it can be perceived that way.

    My style may come across as ghosting but, I guess you could call me a neutral observer.




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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    After reading the comments here thus far, I did not realize there was discord here. True, I don't always go back and revisit the older threads to see what later posts have to say, but I'd think I'd still be exposed to any out-of-proportion negativity in what passes my way. Huh. Well, okay. I do see the users who get banned and what they did to get banned, and I assumed that that mechanism was working okay.

    Getting back to these proposed categories of Bachelor, Neutral and Ghost. Right now on this site, aren't the existing categories (General Forum, Game, Action, MGTOW 101, etc.) meant to show the content of the comments within the category and not the category of the man who made the comment? Right now, the one category of the man is MGTOW, yes? But, with these three new categories, isn't this a new thing you'd be doing, to categorize not by the contents of the comments but by the category of the man?

    Let me think about that. Already in this thread, several men have indicated that they are not sure of which category they would fit, but have settled on one anyway in response to this poll. Whether each man here is sure of his category, or is unsure, or is fluid, or doesn't care, when each man goes to start a new thread, is the man expected to be true to his category? For example, if a self-described Ghost wants to open a topic that may be of higher interest to Bachelors, does he create his thread in the Ghosts community or the Bachelor community?

    The answer really doesn't matter to me, because if these new categories come in being, I'll be quite mindful that other men may be facing the same question of where to post their content. I'll never know. So, I would find myself visiting all three forums, feeling free to post comments there, and you can just bet, given enough time, there will be cross-pollination in these categories, irrespective of the three committee labels, such that others, like me, will just go to where the conversations are.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by ian2211 View Post
    I guess i qualify as a ghost although i always thought that to be a ghost you had to be off the grid as much as possible in regards to work, owning property etc.

    Any clarification on "ghosting" would be nice.
    Yes I thought this too. And I'm definitely not off the grid. I just stay to myself for the most part. And about 70% of the time I'm pessimistic, or at least that's what people tell me - and I like to correct them by saying I'm realistically optimistic.
    I do try to stay hopeful and most of the time I think I am, but I'm also realistic, so.. that kind of.. I don't know. I am a negative person on the inside but on the outside I try to be hopeful and positive. Maybe it's just an inner conflict with myself. I'm trying to be positive in a world that looks pretty bleak to me.

    As for the dating, I haven't dated at all this year so far, but last year I dated A LOT, so much that it became overwhelming and I dumped the last girl and have since retreated into myself. I do the same thing with friends. I'll hang out with people a lot for a while but at some point I can't take it anymore and just isolate for a long time.
    Very few friends I'll continue to speak to during my "isolation" period. This time I've only maintained contact with one. We go through periods of speaking every day for a week to not speaking at all for a couple of weeks. We're both introverts so neither of us care much about speaking on a daily basis - if we don't hear from the other for a while, we'll shoot a quick text to make sure everything is okay and that's about it.

    I understand dividing the forum up into these categories but having people label themselves as one I don't really get. Because people will still post wherever, and people would naturally post in the areas that they want to know more about or identify with most without having to declare their label.

    I'm also curious as to what spurred this. It may have been a combination of several different events, but usually there is one thing that finally "breaks the camels back" per se. I'm wondering what that was..

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by wool.wizard View Post
    i don't mind being restricted from commenting on the game and p4p sections.

    calling myself out is good for me. labeling myself keeps me from thinking too much, or trying too hard. i respect people who can game and get prostitutes, but i don't have the desire to try and take the risk. so i'm a ghost.
    I know we have been warned not to post IDGAF posts about threads we don't agree with, but I'm with the wizard here. I seldom go into game or p4p subs because I've been there and bought the T-shirt. No desire to fool with it any more.

    I was raised being taught "if you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all." So I quietly bug out on some topics. I guess there's more dissension here than I have noticed.

    Put all the nasty comments in one subsection and we'll all have a rowdy time ragging on them. Call it the 3 strikes and you're out section.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Being curious, and a big reader, I've eyeballed most of the site. Naturally, there's some topic's I don't always care for or agree with. If I'm not interested, I just leave them to those who are and move on. If we "bust up" the site, won't we be likely to miss something we might like, cause it was placed somewhere we don't always look?

    I don't think we're big enough to need this yet. I also want to say I have the upmost respect for our married members. Compared to them, I'm a hopeless lightweight.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainman View Post
    Divide and conquer is an excellent strategy. I think this plan will facilitate the work of the enemies of MGTOW.
    Has to be reposted on this page of the thread for truth!

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    Jagr, I've been thinking about this subject for a few hours now. To be honest with you the more I think about it, the more I don't like it. Okay maybe adding some sub-forums may be good, however breaking apart the core of this site is not. Yes sometimes we disagree here, however anytime I've had someone disagree with me it was always respectful. It never took much for me to see and understand that the man disagreeing with me was actually trying to look out what he feels is best for me.

    Yes some of us ghost, some of us date, hell even a couple here are married. I'd never want to boot Indianajohn or make him feel welcomed because he is married, he offers too much to this forum. MGTOW's come from all walks of life and we all have different ways to deal with the world and woman. I know that a lot of men here get a lot from what I say. Likewise I get a lot from what you men say in this forum. Dividing the forum up will only serve to divide us up and this is not good. I don't want to hear an echo chamber of men feeling it is okay to date a woman long term. I want to here the guys saying to me "Hey if you move in with that woman it could end bad" or "Hey you might want to do this or that before moving in".

    If you want to add in more sub-forums then go right ahead, it is your site. However if you want my suggestion then I would say don't divide it up base on if a person is ghosting or dating. Add in other sub-forums for turning wrenches on cars, truck driving, bikers, fucking the neighbors dog, whatever. Okay maybe a confessions section that is not exactly living up to the MGTOW standards. You know for guys who did something stupid that is a bit embarrassing and can get feedback on it. However dividing it into Ghosting, Neutral, Bachelor sounds like a bad idea to me. Not just for this site, but for MGTOW as a whole. So Jagr, if you want my opinion on this subject, I would say it is a bad idea bro. Either way you want to handle it, I will back you. Just know that from one friend to another, I'm not in favor of it.
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    I'm of the opinion of trying it a seeing how it works and seeing what it's like..I don't post to much these days as my red pill rage has gone..but i do come and visit every day..when I do visit I self edit whose repsonses I read..sorry guys..no offence intended..but other members I read all of their posts..

    My guess is we are all like this to some degree..my appologies if I am wrong..however I am hopefull that this change can be good..and want to remind people that no one likes change but change can be a positive thing..

    just my 2 cents..

    PS I respect everyone on this site and value your opinions..as you make me question, think and learn..what more could I ask for..
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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    -5 points for not following directions...

    I should have clicked neutral.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    consider making a subforum for "Legal Issues" or "MRA". i know there are lots of women criminal things, but many are legitimate legal issues rather than rants.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    I don't visit the site very often, but I don't want you to split the groups. I like to see other points of view.

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    Re: Suggested MAJOR Change to GYOW- Please Read

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prisoner View Post
    Jagr, I've been thinking about this subject for a few hours now. To be honest with you the more I think about it, the more I don't like it. Okay maybe adding some sub-forums may be good, however breaking apart the core of this site is not. Yes sometimes we disagree here, however anytime I've had someone disagree with me it was always respectful. It never took much for me to see and understand that the man disagreeing with me was actually trying to look out what he feels is best for me.

    Yes some of us ghost, some of us date, hell even a couple here are married. I'd never want to boot Indianajohn or make him feel welcomed because he is married, he offers too much to this forum. MGTOW's come from all walks of life and we all have different ways to deal with the world and woman. I know that a lot of men here get a lot from what I say. Likewise I get a lot from what you men say in this forum. Dividing the forum up will only serve to divide us up and this is not good. I don't want to hear an echo chamber of men feeling it is okay to date a woman long term. I want to here the guys saying to me "Hey if you move in with that woman it could end bad" or "Hey you might want to do this or that before moving in".

    If you want to add in more sub-forums then go right ahead, it is your site. However if you want my suggestion then I would say don't divide it up base on if a person is ghosting or dating. Add in other sub-forums for turning wrenches on cars, truck driving, bikers, fucking the neighbors dog, whatever. Okay maybe a confessions section that is not exactly living up to the MGTOW standards. You know for guys who did something stupid that is a bit embarrassing and can get feedback on it. However dividing it into Ghosting, Neutral, Bachelor sounds like a bad idea to me. Not just for this site, but for MGTOW as a whole. So Jagr, if you want my opinion on this subject, I would say it is a bad idea bro. Either way you want to handle it, I will back you. Just know that from one friend to another, I'm not in favor of it.
    Ooooh...a "fucking the neighbor's dog" sub-forum??? Finally, a place I can go and not be judged!!! Great idea, Prisoner.


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