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    Re: "You'll die alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    Dying alone takes anywhere from a few minutes to a few years. That's a lot of pain.
    Living your entire life with women - that's a LOT more pain for MANY more years.
    After that, you're not worried about dying alone - so long as you just DIE.
    Why do men die before their wives? Because they want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallabe View Post
    When you are dead, none of those fuckers will give a damn about you. Your wife and kids will be fighting each other over who gets what, especially if you didn't write a will. The last thing they care about is how to plan your funeral. Your wife will hop right onto the next dick after the funeral is over. Perfect excuse to swing branch.

    I intend to follow the same path as my father, and this is no joke. His policy was to die owing as much money to as many financial institutions as he possibly could. He told me once that the only problem with this plan is that it gets very hard to have banks loan you money long term when you are over 80. When he died there were no conflicts amongst me and my 6 siblings. There were no fights over who got what. Any personal items that he wanted to give to individuals he had given while he was alive. The goal is to go out clean.

    I informed my sons of my intentions to follow this plan and they were somewhat upset. Then I informed them that you can't inherit debt; that they would not have to pay anything. Then they were quite happy with the plan.

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    One of the worst experiences of my life was enduring a severe and extended stomach malady that lasted several months. With my girlfriend around nearly every day, it was a hundred times worse than it would have been if she'd just left me alone. Have others here experienced this? I swear to God, there is nothing worse than feeling like you are going to die, and having a bored, restless, and unempathetic woman around! I know they are supposed to be the "nurturers", but my experience of females is the exact opposite. Yes, they are very good at expressing sympathy and appearing compassionate--for a day or two. But after a very short period, they will just resent you for being unable to entertain them, and for being such a tiresome bore. In my case, I'm sure that she had no real idea what tortures I was undergoing with my 24/7 acute stomach cramps and unending nausea. All she knew is that "We haven't gone out for weeks now! When are you going to get better?!" It was like my illness was nothing but a grand inconvenience to her, which she resented more and more the longer it persisted.

    No, no, no, never again will I put myself through that! When I suffer my next illness, or when it's my time to die, just give me a nice morphine drip and a few of my favorite books! Because the burden of entertaining a female when you are dying--or at least feeling like you want to--is a uniquely excruciating and lonely experience. Not recommended.
    Yes I have had a similar experience with ex wife number two. I was quite ill with a flu like virus. After three days she came into the bedroom and told me she didn't care how sick I was, I had had my three days, I had to get out of bed, and she had work for me. She was much harsher than any employer I had ever had (formal outside the home employer, and that includes the Navy). That was when I learned that there was a three day sickness limit in my marriage contract.

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    Re: "You'll die alone"

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    I have difficultly accepting the concept of wasting time. For some individuals the most bizarre things can be life fulfilling pursuits, video games included. For others though, no amount of exploration, achievement or social status will alleviate the surreal feeling of existence and lack of quantifiable worth. I count myself among the latter, though that may change and I welcome that change with open arms.



    There was a time in my life in which an MMORPG was the most important activity, it justified my existence. There was a time when kayaking filled the same role. But in a universe where mortality exists it seems impossible to hold any of these practices above another. Value is simply based on an individual's set goal and which particular things release the right chemicals for that individual to feel a moment of satisfaction. To submit to the idea of wasted time, to me seems to go against MGTOW. Because my own way shouldn't be influenced by how successful others perceive me to be, and without others perception, what is the use of being successful beyond basic comfort? Wasted time by my own definition can be dealt with by simply engaging in activities that are pleasant and stimulating, for anything will lose its charm after enough repetition.

    I don't think it's possible to justify my existence and I think if I attempted to it would subject me to a circle of disappointment. So whenever a dream or aspiration arises I ask myself, am I doing this because I love it, or am I doing this because I want others to view me in high regard?

    You're very nihilistic, which doesn't bother me, but I doubt that you'll have as much fun as a non-nihilist. No one tells us what the meaning of life is, we're supposed to figure that out for ourselves; and the answer differs depending on who you ask. I'm getting my motorcycle license soon and I can't wait to experience the thrill of the ride. I'm doing that because my car just isn't entertaining me the way it used to (even having a manual transmission) and I wanted to feel the excitement of driving again. I'm doing it for me.

    I find that competing against myself and making sure to explore different things in life gives my life meaning. I like to exercise to improve my fitness, not to impress others but to impress myself with how much I've improved. And to increase the activities that I can do. I like the satisfaction of a job well done. Having fun is important to me, and limiting suffering is also important. So I'd say I might be slightly hedonistic. If a job is making me suffer, I'll try my best to get a better job (which is one of the things that I'm working on currently).

    It's not about impressing other people or justifying my existence to them because I never get the feeling in the pleasure centre of my brain when I do impress others. I think that some do and it drives their actions to continue to get that attention. I think that competing against myself and trying to live the best life that I can is exactly one type of MGTOW. Your type is different but it's certainly not the only one.

    Why don't you enjoy MMORPG's and kayaking anymore? Why did you enjoy them in the first place? Maybe you're too hung up on your mortality to enjoy things like you used to.

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    Re: "You'll die alone"

    Why should a man be afraid of dying alone if he's not afraid of living alone?

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    The entire phrase really never made sense to me -- if there's anything to be scared of, it's living alone. What I think they are aiming for is growing old alone. Just today I saw the movie Broken Flowers with Bill Murray playing a middle-aged ex-Don Juan, again playing on the boring and common theme WOMANIZERS MAY HAVE FUN IN YOUTH BUT WHEN THEY GROW UP THEYLL BE LONELY AND BROKEN and instead of providing any proper character study they just hammered it in again and again. Is it really true?

    Middle-aged married men tend to have existential crises of their own -- it's just, then a lot of money and effort is involved.
    And when her lips so sweetly move
    The soul such height attain,
    You're free, yet would no longer rove
    But lay you down in chains.

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    Ill be dying alone, but I won't be dying lonely.
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    Re: "You'll die alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat View Post
    You're very nihilistic, which doesn't bother me, but I doubt that you'll have as much fun as a non-nihilist. No one tells us what the meaning of life is, we're supposed to figure that out for ourselves; and the answer differs depending on who you ask. I'm getting my motorcycle license soon and I can't wait to experience the thrill of the ride. I'm doing that because my car just isn't entertaining me the way it used to (even having a manual transmission) and I wanted to feel the excitement of driving again. I'm doing it for me.

    I find that competing against myself and making sure to explore different things in life gives my life meaning. I like to exercise to improve my fitness, not to impress others but to impress myself with how much I've improved. And to increase the activities that I can do. I like the satisfaction of a job well done. Having fun is important to me, and limiting suffering is also important. So I'd say I might be slightly hedonistic. If a job is making me suffer, I'll try my best to get a better job (which is one of the things that I'm working on currently).

    It's not about impressing other people or justifying my existence to them because I never get the feeling in the pleasure centre of my brain when I do impress others. I think that some do and it drives their actions to continue to get that attention. I think that competing against myself and trying to live the best life that I can is exactly one type of MGTOW. Your type is different but it's certainly not the only one.

    Why don't you enjoy MMORPG's and kayaking anymore? Why did you enjoy them in the first place? Maybe you're too hung up on your mortality to enjoy things like you used to.

    Nihilistic or otherwise, my point is that being content while doing absolutely nothing is actually quite useful. As for self competing, I feel that it is a fine line. Feeling good about yourself or finding meaning through activities appears circular to me. "This thing will make me happy, oh, it's not anymore, this next thing will make me happy though." And so ad infinitum. There are only so many things that can be done, so much work and improvement a human body can undertake before it collapses, and then, as an old man I'd be suffering from the loss of all I'd worked for. I don't think my specific interests are important enough to define meaning or existence.

    When one is hedonistic in search of happiness, contentment or otherwise, one is also subject to the disappointment. An activity will become routine, a goal will become impossible to achieve and so on. Cutting out all activities doesn't make much sense to me either, for whether we are aware of our self defeating drives or not, they still exist and there is still knowledge to be gained. I drift through activities that I deem acceptable, such as joining this forum and posting on this very thread, but I'm always aware that no matter how important this one part of my life may seem, there will indefinitely be another one around the corner for my remaining years. As a result I'm much more relaxed than I used to be. Nihilistic? Yes. But I'm capable of being content without doing anything in particular. Still subject to the same emotions, still hurt and disappointed at times, but able to step back and take it all in from a wider perspective.


    To answer your last question and finish my little thought at the same time. I was pressured into kayaking and got lost in the competition. I had something to prove and wanted to win, to boost my ego and be granted attention through an activity that I didn't particularly enjoy on its own. So as you can probably guess I've long since quit. As for games, I most certainly still play them. But even though I may feel that the Tier 12, Knight Armor of the Fallen Water Buffalo is worth stressing over; I'm still able to relax thanks to the larger perspective that I just outlined.
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    Re: "You'll die alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Desuby View Post
    Nihilistic or otherwise, my point is that being content while doing absolutely nothing is actually quite useful. As for self competing, I feel that it is a fine line. Feeling good about yourself or finding meaning through activities appears circular to me. "This thing will make me happy, oh, it's not anymore, this next thing will make me happy though." And so ad infinitum. There are only so many things that can be done, so much work and improvement a human body can undertake before it collapses, and then, as an old man I'd be suffering from the loss of all I'd worked for. I don't think my specific interests are important enough to define meaning or existence.

    When one is hedonistic in search of happiness, contentment or otherwise, one is also subject to the disappointment. An activity will become routine, a goal will become impossible to achieve and so on. Cutting out all activities doesn't make much sense to me either, for whether we are aware of our self defeating drives or not, they still exist and there is still knowledge to be gained. I drift through activities that I deem acceptable, such as joining this forum and posting on this very thread, but I'm always aware that no matter how important this one part of my life may seem, there will indefinitely be another one around the corner for my remaining years. As a result I'm much more relaxed than I used to be. Nihilistic? Yes. But I'm capable of being content without doing anything in particular. Still subject to the same emotions, still hurt and disappointed at times, but able to step back and take it all in from a wider perspective.


    To answer your last question and finish my little thought at the same time. I was pressured into kayaking and got lost in the competition. I had something to prove and wanted to win, to boost my ego and be granted attention through an activity that I didn't particularly enjoy on its own. So as you can probably guess I've long since quit. As for games, I most certainly still play them. But even though I may feel that the Tier 12, Knight Armor of the Fallen Water Buffalo is worth stressing over; I'm still able to relax thanks to the larger perspective that I just outlined.
    When I was teenager that smoked a lot of pot, being content while doing absolutely nothing WAS useful. It outlived its usefulness to me but I have friends that still do nothing and live with their parents and we're all basically 30 years old. I don't have a problem with the way that they live but I don't have the slightest bit of envy for them, because I lived like them and I know of the nothingness that it entails. It gets old. There are years of my life that I can barely remember because it was always the exact same. Get high, meet up at so and so's house, play video games, rinse and repeat. I had to quit pot because the lifestyle was too "chill" after several years of doing nothing and achieving nothing. I think that it's ok to get into that rut but it's important to leave it after a while. If you don't smoke pot and you still embrace doing nothing, that's cool and all, but I'd be interested to learn how long you can keep that up before it gets old to you too.

    There can be a circular nature to pursuing things and then eventually tiring of them; but that's not a negative and it's not a reason to not pursue anything for fear of eventually losing interest to me. I've been dabbling with the idea of getting into golf and fishing and while I want to make smart investments into the hardware necessary for those hobbies, I'm not too worried if I don't golf or fish for the rest of my life. I'll probably go to the driving range a few times and see what I feel from that before I make any investments.

    Being subjected to disappointment seems like a weird thing to get hung up on. Life isn't permanent so why should the things that I do and the feelings that I experience be permanent?

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    Re: "You'll die alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat View Post
    When I was teenager that smoked a lot of pot, being content while doing absolutely nothing WAS useful. It outlived its usefulness to me but I have friends that still do nothing and live with their parents and we're all basically 30 years old. I don't have a problem with the way that they live but I don't have the slightest bit of envy for them, because I lived like them and I know of the nothingness that it entails. It gets old. There are years of my life that I can barely remember because it was always the exact same. Get high, meet up at so and so's house, play video games, rinse and repeat. I had to quit pot because the lifestyle was too "chill" after several years of doing nothing and achieving nothing. I think that it's ok to get into that rut but it's important to leave it after a while. If you don't smoke pot and you still embrace doing nothing, that's cool and all, but I'd be interested to learn how long you can keep that up before it gets old to you too.

    There can be a circular nature to pursuing things and then eventually tiring of them; but that's not a negative and it's not a reason to not pursue anything for fear of eventually losing interest to me. I've been dabbling with the idea of getting into golf and fishing and while I want to make smart investments into the hardware necessary for those hobbies, I'm not too worried if I don't golf or fish for the rest of my life. I'll probably go to the driving range a few times and see what I feel from that before I make any investments.

    Being subjected to disappointment seems like a weird thing to get hung up on. Life isn't permanent so why should the things that I do and the feelings that I experience be permanent?



    Humans will perform circular patterns and self defeating circles despite personal awareness. The key difference between a nihilist and a believer is that the latter takes those patterns seriously. Whether that believer holds a religion or an idea of self created meaning as the focal point of their effort the result is the same, perpetual suffering.



    "I must pursue fulfillment and better myself before the time limit so as to avoid wasting my life."

    "I must believe in the lord to be saved from eternal torture."

    "I must find a woman, support her happiness and produce offspring to protect my genetic legacy."




    We, especially as males have been selected by evolution to desire the top of our hierarchy. To climb the ladder, to work and provide for the more genetically valuable members of our species until we drop dead. The patterns and justifications we all seek in one form or another are simply useless for individual contentment, for a content human is not a biologically productive one. So in short, nihilism does not entail doing nothing. It is simply an honest examination of our reality and a more comfortable way of existing. A person aware of their self defeating patterns is still driven to do and say things, but they do not take any of those things seriously enough to cause unnecessary suffering.

    If I was to separate myself from the provisioning game but continued racing the death clock, that would mark a failure to go my own way and would leave me still essentially treading water until my legs give out. My instincts may drive me to agonize over fulfilling myself, but it is the ultimate act of going my own way to realize what is happening and be content in the face of those instincts.



    (Also, m
    ind altering substances defeat the purpose of nihilism by imposing a substitute circle.)

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    Re: "You'll die alone"

    I'm already pretty much alone.

    I only one good friend that I can count on. But a lot of the times it is hard to get him to do things with me.

    I can't get a girlfriend. I'm too ugly, retarded looking, and have (according to them 0 an off the wall personality.

    I am an anti conformist and hate conformity. In America you must conform or die.

    My mom still treats me like I'm a baby.

    There is no place for me in American society. I'm never anything anybody wants. I am always rejected on the grounds that I am never the kind of person they are looking for. Because we all have to be this way or that way and look like this and be ultra gorgeous to be taken seriously.

    I'm already pretty much alone.

    At the risk of sounding wishy washy, sometimes I like it.

    And other times I don't.

    Meh, what do I know.

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    I remember the last girlfriend I cohabited in 2012 with, luckily since I told her to get her own place 4 months before instead of signing her onto my lease, I was able to decide I had had enough of her crap and told her to move back.

    I commented to friends that I felt more alone living with her at the end there than I did after she left. Like a weight was off of my shoulders.

    Being in a bad relationship just to avoid being "alone" just is not worth it. So this "you'll die alone, loser" shaming attempt just does NOT work on me there. I know it's just pure projection on their part. You know, the whole, "she does not love you because she actually loves you but only because she loves the idea of having relationship status."

    Saying you'll die alone is as dumb as saying that getting married will get you laid more than if you weren't married. After all the dead bedroom horror tales I have heard, I know that is a crock of crap.

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    Re: "You'll die alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    Being in a bad relationship just to avoid being "alone" just is not worth it. So this "you'll die alone, loser" shaming attempt just does NOT work on me there. I know it's just pure projection on their part. You know, the whole, "she does not love you because she actually loves you but only because she loves the idea of having relationship status."
    Which is exactly why spirituality and self-love are drowned out by religious dogma and blue pillery respectively. Being solitary rather than lonely has power. The power of indifference. That's not something society wants. Thus . . . yeah. I wish I could like your post more than once. This is, in fact, one reason why I don't have any horror stories. I figure, if I've been alone for (insert current age here), I'll do fine with that many more years of no girlfriend or "friends" or whatever.

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    Re: "You'll die alone"

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Me View Post
    I'm already pretty much alone.

    I only one good friend that I can count on. But a lot of the times it is hard to get him to do things with me.

    I can't get a girlfriend. I'm too ugly, retarded looking, and have (according to them 0 an off the wall personality.

    I am an anti conformist and hate conformity. In America you must conform or die.

    My mom still treats me like I'm a baby.

    There is no place for me in American society. I'm never anything anybody wants. I am always rejected on the grounds that I am never the kind of person they are looking for. Because we all have to be this way or that way and look like this and be ultra gorgeous to be taken seriously.

    I'm already pretty much alone.

    At the risk of sounding wishy washy, sometimes I like it.

    And other times I don't.

    Meh, what do I know.
    I used to have a handful of friends. But eventually became a loner. Dealt with what you could call part-time friends.

    But, man, you are better off in your shoes than other guys who get bullshit male friends just to get used to get things at a nominal cost only. That friend told me, "once I stood up for myself, I knew that I'd be alone. But I cleared out the narcissists like clearing out clutter. I'd rather be alone talking to a wall than dealing with one of those people again, if that is how it absolutely has to be."

    I am a non-conformist misfit myself. Playing in bands in my 20s gave me a little bit of a social circle and I was blessed with friends of friends and friends. But by the time I was in my 20s, I considered myself to have maybe 2 or 3 true friends at most. Hell, more like 1 or 2, come to think of it.

    I found that light doses of acquaintances helped. Being a loner ain't so bad. I am one. I am what I am and I ain't what I ain't.

    You know, maybe it was because when I was in my 20s and we did not have the internet as anything more than a college email/field system, it forced folks to have to make friends. So I envy and pity guys half my age of 41. Hell, you can get instant info better than we could. On the other hand, we had a better world in the sense that there was know facebook/facebook status bullshit and people glued to their smartphones 24/7. We actually had to leave the house to do something! Hell, I envy and feel more fortunate than the boomer generation above my generation X. Cycle of life.

    You're a thoughtful guy and you're figuring it out. Just by seeing through societies game and not being bitter but instead rationally detached and walking to a beat of a different drummer, that's winning more than half the game!

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    Fact is, I know someone that works in a Hospital and she says that an awful lot of people shout for their Mother whist passing away, most certainly Not the wife!
    "Whoever has trusted a woman has trusted deceivers." .... Hesiod

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    "To ask a man to marry on the ground that it will safeguard and comfort him in his later years is to ask him to cut his throat on the ground that he may be down with Bright's disease in 1950."
    - George Jean Nathan
    And when her lips so sweetly move
    The soul such height attain,
    You're free, yet would no longer rove
    But lay you down in chains.

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    Re: "You'll die alone"

    dying alone?? well.. unless you had a twin sibling, you came into this world alone... so...

    The Almighty has said, no doubt: "Now here are these two unaccountable freaks; they came in together, they must go out together." -- Mark Twain
    "I live in freedom, under my own flag." - Captain Harlock

    "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C Clarke

    "Who's the more foolish? The Fool? Or the Fool who follows him?" - Obi-wan "Ben" Kenobi

    "In servitutem redigi non recuso" - Latin (translates to "I refuse to be dominated.")

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    Re: "You'll die alone"

    To die alone is still a better option than "living" with these twats. Plus women are strong and independent now so neither of us need eachother.

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    I'll die alone lol? Considering I've always been alone its just business as usual. The sooner I die, the sooner I get to complain to my maker. So I'll live a long life naturally.

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    I had a girlfriend who once asked me what my biggest fear was. Her biggest fear was (you guessed it) dying alone.

    I told her that my biggest fear was something horrific happening to my kids.

    That pretty well told us where our priorities laid. The relationship crashed within a few months of that conversation.


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