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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    This topic reminds me of a quote from Lord Chesterfield (Philip Dormer Standhope): "The pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous and the expense damnable."
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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    I'll come right out and admit that I'm a virgin, so that in itself might make my opinion invalid. Whatever. I see sex (with a desirable partner) like owning a Ferrari. Would it be enjoyable? Yeah, probably. Is it worth the expense? Hell no.


    Now maybe that's too cynical of an approach. But it's not a priority for me right now, at all, even despite having a high sex drive. My instincts might want it, but my brain knows better. It's not worth it when you can have an orgasm in a matter of minutes at home, for free.


    Not that I find a life of celibacy super appealing, but the way things are going, getting laid is starting to seem more and more like a suicide mission. Better to live life on your own terms and die a "loser nerd virgin", than to die a miserable death in prison because you pushed your luck too far and got pinned with a false rape charge.
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    I'll come right out and admit that I'm a virgin, so that in itself might make my opinion invalid. Whatever. I see sex (with a desirable partner) like owning a Ferrari. Would it be enjoyable? Yeah, probably. Is it worth the expense? Hell no.


    Now maybe that's too cynical of an approach. But it's not a priority for me right now, at all, even despite having a high sex drive. My instincts might want it, but my brain knows better. It's not worth it when you can have an orgasm in a matter of minutes at home, for free.


    Not that I find a life of celibacy super appealing, but the way things are going, getting laid is starting to seem more and more like a suicide mission. Better to live life on your own terms and die a "loser nerd virgin", than to die a miserable death in prison because you got pushed your luck too far and got pinned with a false rape charge.
    To you, and those in your circumstances, let me reiterate my advice which I have been giving out for quite some time; GTFO. Celibacy may be the only choice to survive in this terminally sick culture, but you don't have to stay here to survive. Go where men aren't hated (and that is not too strong a statement). There are few places left to flee, so do it now. Do not sink any of your time and or resources into making a life here; go where you can have a life.

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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quarter Wave Vertical View Post
    I can vouch for that. I'm sure that while I was making an idiot of myself courting a certain foreign grad student, she was laughing at me behind my back as she canoodled with the boyfriend she eventually married.....at what must certainly have been a ceremony where firearms were present. (Their daughter was born about 2 months later, so was it a 12-gauge or a 410 wedding?)
    The version I remember, from an old 1960s paperback titled "2000 Insults For All Occasions," was "She's a May bride - she may be pregnant." Except, of course, in the case you cite, she definitely was.

    But it does sound like a "West Virginia formal wedding" - black shotgun.
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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by mylife4me View Post
    This is exactly my experience and attitude as well. Just spent last 3 weeks in Thailand and on first arriving it's like being the kid in the proverbial candy store but as the days go by It gets repetitive and dare I say a little boring so I take a few days off and do more things that I enjoy (eg shooting) as opposed to satisfying a basic need.

    Personally that is how I view the question, in order for a balanced and satisfied life I think most of us need sex but outside of that feeling of that physical ( if not emotional ) intimacy I have nothing of value to gain from associating with women and that is what led me into p4p. I derive far more longer term enjoyment from my hobbies and interests than from sex itself
    I totally agree with you on this subject.I also go to Thailand,and its always the same;
    "like a kid in a candystore".After a while,its important to be occupied with other things;
    like sports,going to cinemas,gokart etc.The p4p is so;"in your face" in Thailand,it feels like
    I am not on the same planet anymore.Although I only visit three to four times per year,I feel
    "reborn" when I arrive home after my holiday.Awesome feeling!

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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikediver View Post
    To you, and those in your circumstances, let me reiterate my advice which I have been giving out for quite some time; GTFO. Celibacy may be the only choice to survive in this terminally sick culture, but you don't have to stay here to survive. Go where men aren't hated (and that is not too strong a statement). There are few places left to flee, so do it now. Do not sink any of your time and or resources into making a life here; go where you can have a life.
    Where would you recommend going?

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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkbait View Post
    I'll come right out and admit that I'm a virgin, so that in itself might make my opinion invalid. Whatever. I see sex (with a desirable partner) like owning a Ferrari. Would it be enjoyable? Yeah, probably. Is it worth the expense? Hell no.


    Now maybe that's too cynical of an approach. But it's not a priority for me right now, at all, even despite having a high sex drive. My instincts might want it, but my brain knows better. It's not worth it when you can have an orgasm in a matter of minutes at home, for free.


    Not that I find a life of celibacy super appealing, but the way things are going, getting laid is starting to seem more and more like a suicide mission. Better to live life on your own terms and die a "loser nerd virgin", than to die a miserable death in prison because you pushed your luck too far and got pinned with a false rape charge.
    Nah nobody's gonna judge you for that here. Maybe think about some p4p if you want to see what the big deal is, but yeah, never underestimate the narcotic power of sex.

    My one and only LTR, who I also lost my virginity to, was disastrous. I've always had a high sex drive, but it made me a slave. I can say with absolute certainty that I did whatever she wanted in order to keep the (potential) access to sex. Beta to the max.

    Needless to say, she made me feel like a horrible person, but I kept going because of the sex. I'm not against sex or game or whatever, but I haven't had sex in the last 3 years and I'm only just recently starting to feel like I can relax. I was glad to get out of that LTR, but it left me really pissed off, basically having withdrawal symptoms. I got into a few situations where I might have been able to get laid, but I have a habit of shooting myself in the foot when the girl wants me to "just go for it". The so-called "last minute resistance" - I would just go "oh ok" then leave with blue balls.

    Anyway, I'm making more progress on music now than ever, something that is infinitely more valuable to me than sex. Strictly in terms of pleasure, I get more fulfillment from eating some mushrooms, going on a long bike ride, or writing music than I do from sex. Sex is weird in that the desire just keeps coming back after its satisfied - there's nothing lasting to be gained, the itch is going to come back again and again. I think sex is valuable in its own way, just as part of being human, but its all about PRIORITIES. For two years I let myself get manipulated for sex EVERY SINGLE TIME it was on the table. I couldn't even conceive of resisting it and keeping my dignity. I guess a large part of it is the media brainwashing - I'm a man so I must want sex every possible second and it's always the number one priority right?

    So currently, I finally feel like I can choose to not be obsessed with sex. I'm fine with porn right now, and for the first time I'm not just lying to myself about it. I read PUA blogs for a long time and it just made me hate myself, because I'm bad at getting laid. Thanks to MGTOW, I don't need to hate myself for lack of sex, and it feels really good. I know that sex is a low priority in the grand scheme of life, but it's important to TRULY feel that and believe it.

    In terms of legal risks, it's disturbingly huge. We've seen that false rape accusers face NO consequences at all. The feminist hysteria needs more and more men accused to keep the narrative going. I've got 2 years left in college, and I'm not worried about getting laid at all, because of the false rape hysteria. I simply do not need that risk hanging over me. Really I'd rather just do p4p for the rest of my life once I can afford it (never actually done it yet). I don't care about anything in a relationship besides sex, so I might as well just purchase that commodity and relax without a nagging wife or gf next to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkbait View Post
    Where would you recommend going?
    Personally, I am going to the Philippines. This is the sole country on the earth that has no divorce. Therefore it is the sole country on the earth that does not have divorce rape of men. Also, almost every person in the Philippines speaks English. English is the second official language and all national politics and serious news papers are in English.

    If you want only commercial relations with women, and like me prefer Asian women, then Cambodia is a rising star. Thailand in my opinion is a hostile environment for foreigners at this point, that is more hostile than most who want you to come and bring your money. It is on the precipice of a political upheaval more serious than the current coup and military takeover still in power. No one knows what will happen when the king dies. That pretty much covers SE Asia.

    Others prefer SA. Brazil is turning into a feminist police state, so I would avoid that one. Central America or the Caribbean might be worth a look too. Costa Rica is pleasant and has no army. I found it quite friendly and relaxed. I have had favorable comments from retirees to the Dominican Republic. It has been politically stable (run by the same 5 families for generations) and has reasonable crime levels. I found it to be very welcoming to foreigners, but you will have to learn Spanish.

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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskorteprinsen View Post
    I totally agree with you on this subject.I also go to Thailand,and its always the same;
    "like a kid in a candystore".After a while,its important to be occupied with other things;
    like sports,going to cinemas,gokart etc.The p4p is so;"in your face" in Thailand,it feels like
    I am not on the same planet anymore.Although I only visit three to four times per year,I feel
    "reborn" when I arrive home after my holiday.Awesome feeling!
    Three or four times a year.... nice! I usually can only manage 2 but I like it as I don't feel burned out or jaded by limiting my exposure.

    I'll buy you a beer sometime. First place I ever stayed was stable lodge on soi 8 ( Bangkok ) and it is very Scandinavian centred, good value place

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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkbait View Post
    I'll come right out and admit that I'm a virgin, so that in itself might make my opinion invalid. Whatever. I see sex (with a desirable partner) like owning a Ferrari. Would it be enjoyable? Yeah, probably. Is it worth the expense? Hell no.


    Now maybe that's too cynical of an approach. But it's not a priority for me right now, at all, even despite having a high sex drive. My instincts might want it, but my brain knows better. It's not worth it when you can have an orgasm in a matter of minutes at home, for free.


    Not that I find a life of celibacy super appealing, but the way things are going, getting laid is starting to seem more and more like a suicide mission. Better to live life on your own terms and die a "loser nerd virgin", than to die a miserable death in prison because you pushed your luck too far and got pinned with a false rape charge.

    If you don't want to go full on move to other country then the places that mikediver mentioned all have p4p as an option. That way you can insulate your regular life and hobbies from your "other life"

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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    "Where would you recommend going? "

    Go spend a week in Colombia, Brazil, Costa Rica, Philippines, Thailand, or Dominican Republic and shake off those doldrums.
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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    I often struggle with this own question because it is a very important one. The act that creates us all is certainly an extremely pleasurable thing, if not the most exciting thing to many men. However, I do have to admit that sex feels more like a big empty bowl now that I'm in my early 30's. My view on it has changed over time. In my early 20's, my sex drive was much higher and for years, I had this incredibly stupid false belief that sex was going to solve my problems and heal everything in my emotional life. When you finally do have sex, it's a bit depressing when you realize it's not what you thought it was. But it's not a bad thing to realize your expectations of something are not what it actually is -- it's good to learn some truth in life. I just wish my 34 year old self could talk to my 21 year old self and tell him that he's not really missing anything that can't wait. Don't get me wrong, sex with someone you love is a powerful experience and one of the best things you can experience, but it's also not something that should cloud your vision and make you so obsessed that you lose focus on other areas of your life and feel depressed because you aren't having sex.

    Sex is a complex thing, and what you get out of it depends on the person. I'm not here to say what one person does with it is wrong or right, but I will say that at this point in my life, I am only interested in sex with a woman that I care deeply about. I would have been more interested in flings when I was younger (ironically when it was harder for me to get sex), but not anymore. On an emotional and health level, I think it's a very good thing for me right now, but in the right amounts. That's another thing that's changed for me, as I don't want sex every day. Too much sex takes away precious creative energy I need to create music and art. But I should mention that my sex drive has always been average or below average compared to many of my other guy friends. The amount of sex needed varies from man to man.

    Anyway, I hope this adds to the discussion.

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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    120 dollars an hour where I come from.

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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by ubermensch View Post
    120 dollars an hour where I come from.
    They better be damned good at it, to be charging that much.

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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by CJones View Post
    The act that creates us all is certainly an extremely pleasurable thing, if not the most exciting thing to many men. However ... My view on it has changed over time. Don't get me wrong, sex with someone you love is a powerful experience and one of the best things you can experience, but it's also not something that should cloud your vision and make you so obsessed that you lose focus on other areas of your life and feel depressed because you aren't having sex.

    Sex is a complex thing, and what you get out of it depends on the person. I'm not here to say what one person does with it is wrong or right, but I will say that at this point in my life, I am only interested in sex with a woman that I care deeply about. I would have been more interested in flings when I was younger (ironically when it was harder for me to get sex), but not anymore.
    This is a part of the valuation that needs to be considered - sex with a stranger, to get your rocks off, is worth far, far less than sex with the woman you love, to start your new family? I freely acknowledge the second scenario is romantic fiction, at least nowadays, but I think it's still a worthy comparison.

    I've seen it written, here and elsewhere, that a woman will imprint on her first lover (first fuck), that she'll form a stronger emotional attachment with him than she will with any subsequent lovers. And that sense of emotional attachment isn't just important to her, it's important to him as well. In a society that pushes that emotional attachment as valuable, and that calls on women as well as men to protect and nurture that attachment, it seems to work pretty well at holding the pair-bond together. And yes, sex is a major part of that glue.

    Sex is still very enjoyable without the emotional attachment, when it's just about "getting off." That's why we chase tail for the sake of pump-and-dump, and pay prostitutes to give us a lay. But it was better for me when I was "in love" with Cupcake, and I suspect it's even better for Cupcake when she's "in love" with the guy who's slipping her the sausage.
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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by ubermensch View Post
    120 dollars an hour where I come from.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkbait View Post
    They better be damned good at it, to be charging that much.
    It's a matter of economics, Sharkbait. Ubermensch lives in a First World country where prostitution is legal, and to a degree regulated, and $120 an hour, in a decent and well-run bordello, is pretty much what the traffic will bear. That price is a function of the local economy; in Thailand, the Philippines, Costa Rica, Colombia, Jamaica, the Dominican Republic, and numerous other third-world P4P destinations, the price is far less in US dollars, but it's still good pay for the girls in their local economy.

    As for you and I, we live in a nation where prostitution is illegal, as is soliciting for prostitution as a would-be customer. There are no "decent and well-run bordellos" that I know of, in my region - or maybe it's just that I'm too timid, too self-conscious and aware of the risks, to seek them out. Instead, I travel twice a year or so for "sex holidays" in countries such as the Dominican Republic, where I can have the kind of sun-sea-and-sand fun I like during the day - and my choice of young and yummy pay-for-play chicas to warm up my nights. It's my time and money, why not spend it where I can go diving in warm tropical waters and nail some tail?

    (On edit: Maybe this thread belongs in the P4P section?)
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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggets View Post
    So basically, what does sex add overall to a man's life? How does it relate to everything else in a man's life that makes it worth living?
    To me, sex is... Of little importance. I mean, the actual sex itself. I don't care much for it. Even if a girl was lying in my bed with her legs wide open I wouldn't partake very often.
    To me, the more exciting part is before the sex. The playful banter, the flirting, the teasing, the sexual tension so thick you could cut it with a knife.
    But how often do I feel the need to do that? Meh. Only if the situation presents itself.

    Before I used to go out of my way to meet women. I didn't used to be good at talking to strangers, hell I was bad at ordering pizza over the phone for crying out loud, but during my later High school years I spent a huge amount of time getting over that fear. The approach anxiety one experiences from walking up to a complete stranger.
    After High school I was able to walk up to women I didn't know, wherever I was (mall, store, coffeeshop) and talk to them. If I got a good vibe I'd ask for a number, if not, I'd pleasantly end the conversation and walk off.
    Sometimes I'd just walk to attractive women and say, "Excuse me, I'm sorry to interrupt you guys but I just HAD to come over here and say that you all are absolutely gorgeous" and they'd be all like, "Oh, well, thank you!" and I'd be like, "No problem, have a nice day!" and turn around and walk out the store.
    On my way to my car I'd look back in through the window and see their confused but happy faces.

    I think the high of interacting with women in a flirtation manner means more to me than actual physical sex. Don't get me wrong, sex is great, but it's not THAT great. Maybe it's because I haven't had sex with a girl who's actually fantastic at it, but to me, from the experiences I've had it hasn't been THAT great.
    I haven't been given great head either. But I have made out with a girl who made me feel like electricity was running through my veins.

    But the value I place on the high I get from the interactions or sex, very low. So does it add anything to my life? Nope. And it doesn't really relate to anything in my life that makes my life worth living. My life is worth living because of other things that I do and the goals that I hope to accomplish.

    Sex and interacting with women is just a side thing. Kind of like if you're standing in a line at an amusement park to get on this bad ass roller coaster and while you're waiting you decide to play Angry Birds or some shit on your phone. An amusing, fun, distraction that's engaging while you're partaking but you can easily put it down and go on about what's really important in your life and your end goal.

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    Re: What's the actual value of sex?

    how do you put a "value" on something that's functionally obsolete????
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