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    Time to think

    I've been celibate for two years now.
    As such for two years I have not had to deal with all of the stress and/or emotional issues associated with meeting, courting, dating, bedding, engaging, marrying and cohabitating with women.

    Nor have I found myself in any situation that might lead me to experience rejection, scorn, entrapment, shame, false accusations or any other abuses initiated by women.

    You see, Even my platonic interpersonal relationships with women are non-existent. Since, I am not shy about expressing my opinions with anyone, no matter what their gender or views, women tend not to hang around me for very long.

    So, Aside from female family members I do not deal with women at all. Which is how I intend it. In every measureable way I am better for it.

    For two years I have awarded myself peace of mind.
    Without the endless cackling of a malignantly narcisisstic sociopath ringing in my ear I was able to clearly hear my inner voice.
    More importantly I had been listening and responding.

    For as long as I can remember, I had ignored his pleas for justice.
    I had disreguarded him and banished him to the deep recesses of the prison that was my mind.

    But the lock had been broken and he was free.

    His voice no longer silenced by delusion, we conversed and argued constantly.
    Every argument was tested against its opposite, every thought expressed and judged for merit.
    All conflicts were engaged untill definitive clarity had manifested.
    Unified we had become in our resolve to arrive at the truth, and the truth we had found.

    Though, alone we believed ourselves to be, in the prison of my mind, we were not.
    The prison, we discovered, was at maximum capacity.

    And the gates had swung open.

    No longer encased behind the walls of cognitive dissonance each voice could reverberate with precise measure.
    Every thought was expressed and given due scrutiny.
    The many grains of falsehood sifted out by the screen of logical reason until all but the large stones of truth remained.

    For two years we had been tirelessly working to sheer off every rotting branch of logical fallacy and are now left only to travel a singular path toward righteous clarity.

    As a ghost, you may remain tethered to this plane of existence. Bound by your shackled mind to this false world, you may indeed haunt the living.

    But you need not.

    You can ascend beyond the walls of lies and deceit.

    You can be more.

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    Re: Time to think

    Congratulations on your two-year mark.
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    Re: Time to think

    Great words. I've been roughing up my suspect for about 6 years and my Heart hasn't felt this good in a long time.

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    Four for me I think. Honestly it's involuntary but I've always found text game and escalation to be a pain in the ass anyway. I feel like an idiot when I'm trying to be cocky, detached, and entertaining. Women aren't making a good case for themselves either. Why bother talking to women in class who live in the reality of their phones? I socialize with men and its easy. Socializing with women is always a giant shit test and it's just old now. I don't have the patience for it

    Also I have an addictive personality and I don't trust myself enough to be detached. I don't care about impressing women these days, but I'm not gonna pretend like I'll be this badass guy if some pussy falls on my lap.

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    Congraz on yout 2 years and the freedom it's granted you. I'm on my 20th year of celibacy. First 6 months kinda rough but after that, it just gets better and better. After about 5 years, sex drive gone. Gives me the time to do what really matters in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrixtheGreat View Post
    Congraz on yout 2 years and the freedom it's granted you. I'm on my 20th year of celibacy. First 6 months kinda rough but after that, it just gets better and better. After about 5 years, sex drive gone. Gives me the time to do what really matters in life.
    I really look up to you guys,who can stay away from women TOTALLY.
    I consider myself a ghost in Norway;I have no contact with females,except a
    co-worker,my female boss,my hairdresser and my mother.
    The first two are only professional encounters,the third only ten min.every five weeks,
    and my mother.....shes my MOTHER.
    I do go three times a year to LOS though.I feel I still have the need (sex not validation)
    from women now and then.Cant see myself,living in total celibacy....maybe Im not
    strong enough,mentally yet;or at least dont want to be.Staying totally away from females,
    is not something many guys can do.I think you need enormous amount of self-control,
    and dicipline to do that;which I have GREAT RESPECT,AND ADMIRATION FOR.
    I salute you!

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    Re: Time to think

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrixtheGreat View Post
    Congraz on yout 2 years and the freedom it's granted you. I'm on my 20th year of celibacy. First 6 months kinda rough but after that, it just gets better and better. After about 5 years, sex drive gone. Gives me the time to do what really matters in life.


    Hm... going on eighteen years myself. Can't really say my sex drive is gone. It's more like the drive to have sex is gone. I find the whole thought of having to go out of my way to please a partner while pleasing myself to be tiresome. I suppose that's selfish but I really don't care.


    I do enjoy the company of women, but it is always on my terms, not theirs. They seem to find me to be an irresistible enigma because I politely refuse their advances. Again, I simply don't care if I seem to be a puzzle they can't solve. Not my problem. I'm not a broken toy that needs to be fixed. And if I am, they did the breaking in the first place, so why would I trust them to fix me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jsgarner View Post
    Hm... going on eighteen years myself. Can't really say my sex drive is gone. It's more like the drive to have sex is gone. I find the whole thought of having to go out of my way to please a partner while pleasing myself to be tiresome. I suppose that's selfish but I really don't care.


    I do enjoy the company of women, but it is always on my terms, not theirs. They seem to find me to be an irresistible enigma because I politely refuse their advances. Again, I simply don't care if I seem to be a puzzle they can't solve. Not my problem. I'm not a broken toy that needs to be fixed. And if I am, they did the breaking in the first place, so why would I trust them to fix me?
    I have experienced this too. Since going celibate, the number of women trying to get with me went from a difficult few to an overwelming flood. Drug deallers fearing there addicts are loosing there addiction. I would say that the first 5 years were semi-volentary celabacy as I had options that I did not want to take. So I choose to be celabate but did not want to be. After 5 years I simply liked the way I was and didn't want to change things. I think when celabacy is a choice one makes it is very easy but when someone is forced into that situation, either by involentary celebacy, by philosophy/ideaology/religion, or by lack of acceptable(non-toxic personalities) options (as is the case with most MGTOW), it can be very difficult, maybe even harmful. A good existential grounding is required for men in these cases. MGTOW provides that. For me, being celebate is just me being me. It is no more unnatural to me then breathing. Going through the dating game is unnatural. So is having to spend all my time pleasing her and myself. I just have no interest.

    On women who go after men who don't show interest in sex, it is most likely because you come off as a man who is getting laid alot and women use social proofing as a means to choose a mate. It may also come from a increased confidence. Most men do not have difficulty talking to women they have no interest in, but get tongue tied with women they are very interested/invested in. This is also likely because a man who is confident is likley getting laid alot. I don't think it is an enigma to them unless you tell them that you have choosen celebacy, in which case they may try to get you in bed either to get you back to being addicted to them so they can control you, or so that they can stroke there own egos because they were such a hot/amazing/superior/etc woman that it was her and her along that pulled your away from your choice in celebacy. Never Underestamate female narcissism. Anyway, just a hypothesis.

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    Re: Time to think

    Well,I have not been totally celibate;I am more "on and off".
    I have to admit,I like to be with women sometimes,but feel
    distant from them,after swallowing the "red pill",and learning
    about the nature of woman,true this forum,and other MGTOW
    channels on youtube.
    I have three thrips to SEA;mostly LOS every year,and then I
    do enjoy the company of woman.But,when I come home,the
    sex-drive drops more and more,after every day,I spend in the "west".
    After all,masculine,barfing woman,are a huge turn-off for me.
    (there must be a lot of men who enjoys those kind of "creatures" company,
    after all;since its all I can see were I live.LOL;in the western society)
    Cant really understand why men want to suffer like this tru their lives.....
    but each to its own liking.

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    Re: Time to think

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskorteprinsen View Post
    Well,I have not been totally celibate;I am more "on and off".
    I have to admit,I like to be with women sometimes,but feel
    distant from them,after swallowing the "red pill",and learning
    about the nature of woman,true this forum,and other MGTOW
    channels on youtube.
    I have three thrips to SEA;mostly LOS every year,and then I
    do enjoy the company of woman.But,when I come home,the
    sex-drive drops more and more,after every day,I spend in the "west".
    After all,masculine,barfing woman,are a huge turn-off for me.
    (there must be a lot of men who enjoys those kind of "creatures" company,
    after all;since its all I can see were I live.LOL;in the western society)
    Cant really understand why men want to suffer like this tru their lives.....
    but each to its own liking.
    There is a a lot of dumb guys out there with low self esteem. MGTOW is still fresh on the vine. We tell guys when we can in a friendly way. We here are coming to the end of our personal scripts and making room for the new. I always had a vision of the love I could give but the partners just weren't trust worthy. I think sexy time is fine if you're fine. Crushing pussy just isn't fullfling anymore but I'd do it for world peace.

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    Well, shit, if there will ever be a thread here to mention how long I have been celibate, this is the thread, I guess. I've fretted all day about posting this. Fuck me. This longevity is the one question I never answer to anyone because in the non-MGTOW universe (that is, everywhere) I think I'd lose all street cred for any of the relationship opinions that I hold.

    But you guys who have already posted here have more courage than I, if that's what it is I am lacking.

    I think this year marks the 30th year of my celibacy. The reason I am uncertain is because it was so long ago that I flat out cannot recall the last time I fucked anyone, or who it was, or if it was female or male. I say male because I had a drunken ONS with a construction worker around that time. Best lay I ever had, that guy, better than the chicks, but as it turns out I was never to repeat it. Yeah, probably no one here wants to hear me mention any of that, but WTF it's confession time. Whenever the last time was, I estimate I was about 30 years old. Like 1986.

    Others here have talked about their sex drive during celibacy so I'll talk about mine. If I went through a withdrawal period of no sex, I don't think I noticed it as I spent much of the 1980s and early 90s in an alcohol-induced stupor where whiskey dick prevails anyway. Once I quit alcohol in 1993, I sublimated all sexual/personal aspects into my job, getting ready for a forced move in 1995 when I moved to the high-dollar city in which I still live and where I decided the only way I would survive financially in the higher cost of living was to work all of the OT that I could. So, I worked 11 1/2 hour days for five days a week for 4 1/2 years, plus occasional Saturdays, to improve my financial situation. All work, no life, no friends, no sex anyway. With travel time plus half hour for lunch, that 11 1/2 hours took 14 hours out of every day. After this ended, it was just a matter of routine to work, go home, never bothering to try to angle anyone into bed. In fact, messing with anyone just seems like too much work for the bother, and people are so different from each other that I can form no expectations from one person to the next. Damn my intellectual thinking.

    I cannot say I have no sex drive anymore but I am so used to not bothering to know anyone beyond hi-how-are-you that I just don't see people as anything I need to personally pair up with. Does that sound strange or what? Porn can arouse me but I know porn is a mirage. Usually what I notice are pictures of people who remind me of memories of those whom I used to care about years ago, when my emotions and behavior were so out of control.

    But, what I can say with pride is that I retired at age 56 and those who hear me say that invariably comment that I could only do that at such a relatively young age because I am unmarried, no kids. Yep, they are right about that. Yay for me. It is these moments that I am sooo glad that I broke off my engagement to what's-her-name from the 1980s. And her two kids. Dodged a bullet. I can also boldly say that, if none of my current financial instruments earned even one penny in interest from now until I die, I still have enough money to carry me out in thirty years. Try saying that as a married man. Now you know why I always advocate for younger guys to save money, get a plan, pay yourself first, get started, and start today.

    So, the years of celibacy, and sobriety, and hard work, have put me in a wonderful place. I'll try to end this post on that upbeat note so that I don't come back later and delete this post for the sensitive revelation I have made. If you are reading this post, I have not deleted it.
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    Re: Time to think

    It's been over 3 years for me. I'm still in my 20's though and I may go many years without. The post above by Unboxxed resonates with me. I make a lot of money and have substantial savings for my age, and I know that I'll be a bachelor for life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    After this ended, it was just a matter of routine to work, go home, never bothering to try to angle anyone into bed. In fact, messing with anyone just seems like too much work for the bother, and people are so different from each other that I can form no expectations from one person to the next. Damn my intellectual thinking.

    I cannot say I have no sex drive anymore but I am so used to not bothering to know anyone beyond hi-how-are-you that I just don't see people as anything I need to personally pair up with. Does that sound strange or what?
    Hit the nail on the head with that one. Doesn't sound strange at all to me.

    The fantasy is better than the reality, in my experience. I usually lose interest before it gets to the bedroom and for good reason. It's not even worth the effort, the orgasm feels the same and all I really want is the visual, which porn provides nicely. Just knowing that she's not really into me ruins it for me.

    I occasionally have the pangs to be with women but those feelings don't last too long, especially as I get older. It's just the biological drive that's kept the human race from extinction talking. I'm not saying I'll never have sex again, if the opportunity presents itself I may partake. I won't be putting any effort into it though.

    There are many interesting things to do in life, sex is among the most overrated. Nobody should be ashamed of being celibate.
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    For me the pleasure of sex is 80% ego validation, so I don't feel like I'm missing much by not trying to get with college women who see me as useless and boring because I'm not Chad Thundercock. Am I more confident, more assertive, more sociable, better looking, and more skilled than I was 5 years ago? Yes. Has that made any difference with how women react to me?

    The way women act these days, it turns me off a lot. It used to be that I could "bump into some small talk" with women while we were both waiting somewhere for some event to start or whatever. Those days are long gone. They all just want to perpetually stare into their phones. It's like they're not even human beings anymore. What am I supposed to start a conversation about? It's not like I can comment on something funny in the environment anymore because none of them are paying attention to get what I'm talking about. Even if I start that conversation, then I'm expected to carry it entirely. Women (and men) are absolute shit at basic communication now because of the smartphone zombie syndrome. People can't even handle saying "whats up" or greeting someone when they walk by anymore. This happens to me constantly now, walking by people that I know from work or class. Every single time I attempt to greet them, they look at me like I'm a fucking weirdo for even trying. That or they look at the ground and pretend that I'm not there. The worst is giving a little wave and they just stare back. What the fuck is wrong with people?

    Anyway sorry for ranting there lol

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    Some wonderful stories here. I'll chime in.

    I had a testosterone driven year from the end of 2011 until the end of 2012. First kiss, kissing with lots of girls, first time getting laid, getting laid with a few girls, lots of clubs, lots of me approaching women, lots of game. It was an insightful year. Since then, also due to MGTOW, mostly due to girls themselves, I have slowly but surely become less interested in them.

    So the question remains: what counts? The last time I actually fucked a girl is mid 2012. Almost four years ago. I was just twenty-one back then. The last time I fingered a girl mus have been somewhere in 2014. The last time I kissed a girl is in the beginning of February and I'm seeing a girl right now. One might say that this is all involuntary celibacy and to some extent it most certainly is, but since 2014 I have had very real opportunities with girls where I have said no. I'm proud of staying calm in those moments. This is simply because I'm the sort of guy that can be all emotional, and who over time, can get emotionally invested in them. The girls never really were worth that risk and so I remain celibate.

    Though I'm not that experienced, I will say that the sex I've had with girls wasn't that memorable. Masturbation can and sometimes will be better.

    I don't know how long this streak of four years will continue, but I will stay alone that's for sure. Perhaps celibacy will become a life choice someday, but for now I don't feel old or stoic enough yet.

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    2 years is not a long time .

    Sex like anything else is pleasure only if served on your terms , everything else is garbage .

    I have a rule now- i only go out of my way for a girl if im ready to risk my health or life for her .

    All the plane Janes can fuck off , all the Ifone girls can fuck off , all the audit girls can suck off no matter how much i like them .

    To my now bangfriend i told " You know less you sleep better and live longer yo ! " and she loves me for that because what chick wouldnt love a prospect of being banged by a drug dealer
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikbenrein View Post
    Some wonderful stories here. I'll chime in.

    I had a testosterone driven year from the end of 2011 until the end of 2012. First kiss, kissing with lots of girls, first time getting laid, getting laid with a few girls, lots of clubs, lots of me approaching women, lots of game. It was an insightful year. Since then, also due to MGTOW, mostly due to girls themselves, I have slowly but surely become less interested in them.

    So the question remains: what counts? The last time I actually fucked a girl is mid 2012. Almost four years ago. I was just twenty-one back then. The last time I fingered a girl mus have been somewhere in 2014. The last time I kissed a girl is in the beginning of February and I'm seeing a girl right now. One might say that this is all involuntary celibacy and to some extent it most certainly is, but since 2014 I have had very real opportunities with girls where I have said no. I'm proud of staying calm in those moments. This is simply because I'm the sort of guy that can be all emotional, and who over time, can get emotionally invested in them. The girls never really were worth that risk and so I remain celibate.

    Though I'm not that experienced, I will say that the sex I've had with girls wasn't that memorable. Masturbation can and sometimes will be better.

    I don't know how long this streak of four years will continue, but I will stay alone that's for sure. Perhaps celibacy will become a life choice someday, but for now I don't feel old or stoic enough yet.
    The only thing that counts is that you will never get laid again hihihihi . Get over it
    You cant keep a player down!
    Dont hate him , hate your fuking bullshit game !

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    Much calm can come from removing much bullshit.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

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    you really need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovesites View Post
    you really need it.
    I notice your current icon is female. If you are bio-male, please run, don't walk, to the New Members Intro forum, read the sticky called How To Intro, and write out an appropriate and detailed Intro for us to know more about you. We all had to do one when we joined. If you delay, a Moderator will be contacting you.

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    Some excellent stories. I've been celibate since 2008 so nearly 9 years and I haven't missed it at all. Now if women were actually nice then yes I suppose I would have done. I'm in my early 40's and women have never been nice in all the time I've been sexually mature. I've spoken to people who can remember when a woman actually liked the guy for himself rather than what they can get from him but I wonder now whether that was because they had limited options. I'm coming round to the idea that women have always been like this but in today's society they can honour their feelings better.

    I am in the process of giving up fapping because I don't even want to give a computer image of a woman my time and attention as there's far more important things I could be doing with my life, effort and energy. I have taken a LOT of flak for remaining single from guys I know are absolutely f#cking miserable in their own lives with the women (leeches) they come home to and get spoken like shit from. It's a tired societal construct. People do it because everyone else does it.

    Do I miss sex? Yes, can't lie about it. However I don't miss it like I thought I would. Sex when it's all said and done is not the great thing it's made out to be. It's okay. What I enjoy most about being celibate is the fact that (without a woman in my life) I don't need that much money to live on and I always have savings. That and the fact I don't have to put up with living with a dictator who's selfish, jealous, explosive and moody. I don't miss any of that at all.

    MOD EDIT: This user is a troll, and has since been banned. I've undeleted this message, though, so there will be a public record of the user's activity.
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