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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Hmmm. Alimony totally promotes Hypergamy. Doesn't it?
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Noy View Post
    I really only need a large living/dining/sleeping area, and adjoining kitchen area, and a bathroom and closet.
    So long as you can exhaust kitchen smells and airborne grease/fat/smoke with a decent extractor fan. You don't really want a fine layer of last week's burnt pork fat on your good shirts.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Peter Pan is a testimony to the patriarchal society of the Victorian Era.

    When women say men are Peter Pan's, what they are doing is shaming men for not living up to a patriarchal standard which they hold in contempt. This itself is hypocrisy, but has been pointed out very little, if at all, in response to media shaming articles.

    Peter Pan defines growing up as growing into the responsibilities of a 'man' (in the Victorian Era) by being a father, husband, and provider (i.e. having a family). Women still want children. They want the idea of family, but they do not want the patriarchal definition of family.

    Women walked away from the gender roles of patriarchy decades ago, but hypocritically demand that men adhere to a social agreement which they shirk.

    Their insults are based in and dependent upon the patriarchy they say they hate.


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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Their insults are based in and dependent upon the patriarchy they say they hate.
    QFT. This is the only response you need to counter any feminist argument, isn't it?
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?
    Suffer? No ....
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    Feminist and likewise so do a lot of people in general jump on the "Peter Pan" shaming language bandwagon. However I am sure that all of you have noticed that they are implying that the definition of "growing up" to include a wife and kids. Now here is the thing, when I was younger and immature I use to do a lot of foolish things and take a lot of chances. Even at the ages of 14 or 16 I would do things I would not consider even trying today. I would ride my bike down a dirt trail that started off as damn near a sheer cliff, I climbed up the side of a cliff that was made of loose dirt, I would jump my bike over a small ravine and such. I not only had a "Peter Pan" syndrome, I also acted as if I was indestructible. This is why most young men enlist in the service or worse get married between the ages of 18 and 20, these young men still feel indestructible. These young guys don't actually have a "Peter Pan" syndrome in the way defined by feminist, they are just typical kids that are trying to grow up.

    Now as we get older we tend to change our ways, we look at life differently, we realize that we are not indestructible. We start looking more at our future and ways to prepare for it, priorities change for us. Yes we may still by what some would call a toy (actually we would call it a hobby) in the form of a video game, model or even a cool light saber, however this is done after we have taken care of our responsibilities. To me and most reasonable adults this is not a sign of "Peter Pan" syndrome, it is the sign of a responsible adult that takes care of his needs, plans for the future and then gets what he wants. To use the marker of "getting married and having kids" as a sign of growing up is intellectual dishonesty at it's finest. Events such as getting laid, married or having kids are not good markers for being a man or growing up. What are good markers is how the man now views life and his friends and family around him, how he handles the needs of today and plans for the future. Another good marker is how the man now will view a risks, does he examine the risk vs reward or just jump in with both feet. Once a man understands is own mortality and looks at marriage he sees that it is a risks that can destroy him, it can cost him his health, sanity and his very freedom.

    These feminist may be trying to say that we are not growing up and trying to live life as if we were teenagers again. In certain ways this maybe true, however in most ways it is very inaccurate. We have either lived through getting a divorce, financially raped and torn from our kids or we have seen others go through it. We know that we are not indestructible and that we need to act accordingly. We no longer see things as a fantasy but for the reality of what it is, we choose not to fool ourselves anymore. So we realize that marriage is a very risky venture with few rewards that the very few are lucky enough to collect on. We are adults that are looking out for ourselves and planning ahead. Yes we may indulge on certain past times that we enjoyed as kids, however we have earned the right to do this. If one were really to think about why they call it "Peter Pan syndrome" one would see that they have no concern about the men they claim to suffer from this. Women only have one concern and that is the men that are walking away from them and denying them access to their resources. So in closing once again we can see that feminist are just using more shaming language to get what they want, which is to get the slaves back to the plantations.
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Great post Prisoner.

    When someone tries to shame me for having a sweet-ass gaming PC, I just ask them how their investment portfolio is ticking along. Have they hedged out their Yen exposure?
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    So long as you can exhaust kitchen smells and airborne grease/fat/smoke with a decent extractor fan. You don't really want a fine layer of last week's burnt pork fat on your good shirts.
    Way ahead of you. (and that's what my aforementioned closet is for )
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    So long as you can exhaust kitchen smells and airborne grease/fat/smoke with a decent extractor fan. You don't really want a fine layer of last week's burnt pork fat on your good shirts.
    Sorry to get a little off topic, but your post here prompted me to get my kitchen fan working again today.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    My younger brother married his college sweetheard, paid off not only her college debt but her credit card debts too! Yet the women decides that teaching was the wrong degree and is almost got a degree in being a veterinarian. If it works out great. If not, if she dumps him afterwards, then he would've wasted four years paying off a second college degree of hers while she went to school hundreds of miles away the whole time.
    You know she's fucking other men, right? There is no doubt about this.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    You know she's fucking other men, right? There is no doubt about this.
    Right. Obviously.

    Back in 2005 when he asked, "hey, why don't you move in with me before you move back from (the DC area back out west again?), I did that for a few months. Move into his house. He offered VERY cheap rent too.

    Anyway, his wife who was extending her studies on what was her teaching degree at the time was obviously too chummy with a fellow male student she was allegedly co-studying with. I just thought, "what a beta provider boy getting cheated on?" I don't feel like typing to death, but leaving out many details, it was obvious she had a sexual agenda on that day. Due to our family's dislike of her as a wife, I feel if he wanted to bury his head in the sand, it's his call and right or whatever. It's not like I saw them fucking on the table or anything! Not enough evidence to interrupt ahem "marital bliss" there.

    Anyway, fast forward years later, yeah, of course I assume she is getting that dick too in your reply to my post. Thanks for saying that.

    Is THAT what I have to MAN UP to be? Some beta boy provider who literally pays for the other DICK's meals among other things without knowing, I assume?!

    Thanks for saying what I did not want to say in this thread. (I figured someone might point out the obvious). But, hell, it is HIS funeral, not mine!
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes View Post
    Peter Pan is a testimony to the patriarchal society of the Victorian Era.

    When women say men are Peter Pan's, what they are doing is shaming men for not living up to a patriarchal standard which they hold in contempt. This itself is hypocrisy, but has been pointed out very little, if at all, in response to media shaming articles.

    Peter Pan defines growing up as growing into the responsibilities of a 'man' (in the Victorian Era) by being a father, husband, and provider (i.e. having a family). Women still want children. They want the idea of family, but they do not want the patriarchal definition of family.

    Women walked away from the gender roles of patriarchy decades ago, but hypocritically demand that men adhere to a social agreement which they shirk.

    Their insults are based in and dependent upon the patriarchy they say they hate.



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    This nails it, and the hypocrisy is clear for anyone to see. Women, especially feminists, are very simple creatures. They simply want the best of both worlds because vagina. As good as a functional vagina is, they've just priced themselves out of a market.

    I guess we won't do ANYTHING for "it".

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    I re-read my first comment which spoke about hypergamy. Women tend not to date or marry men who make as much as they do, because no matter what socio-economic bracket that man would be in, he would be considered (in her eyes) a failure, or simply "not in her league".

    It's this hypergamy which forces men to work more hours, demand more pay, work more OT, and take on more stressful and dangerous and isolated work.

    If women truly wanted real equality they would put their money where their MOUTHS were and not hesitate at all to marry a man with the same earning potential they have.

    Hypergamy is why men do what it takes to earn more. It's expected of men, and so far the dismantling of the patriarchy has not resulted in the elimination of societal expectations for men to do the lion's share of the breadwinning. Until she makes 50% or more of the money, maybe she SHOULD be doing 50% or more of the housework!

    On that subject, if women want compensation for their "unpaid housework" they can negotiate that with their husbands or partners. What about women living alone - they do as much housework as men who live alone: 100%. I wonder how long before men living alone will be required to pay into a "child support fund" while women living alone get a "basic living/housework" allowance. But only for women. Because only women are oppressed.

    Barf.
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Noy View Post
    The bathroom was the room I walked through to get to the bathroom. I never slept in it. I used it for storage. I slept on my futon in the living room, where all my stuff is.

    Same thing with me. When I was living in my apartment last year, the only time I ever slept in my bed was when I had a female guest spending the night and she didn't want to sleep alone. Sometimes if she was a regular visitor, I would leave the bed after she fell asleep to go sleep on the couch.

    One time I did this I awoke to an upset/confused looking naked chick wondering why I had left her alone in bed.
    I felt bad so I went back to bed with her, but after that incident, I didn't let her sleep over anymore lol.

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    Okay I know I can come off as the captain or lord dictator of the "He Man Woman Haters" club at times. However I want you all to know that I have always had women's best interest at heart. I really do love women and only want the best for them. I do feel good about myself if I am able to uplift a woman's standards and bring joy into their life. This is the giving part of me and I am sure all of you have felt this way at times. However how do you uplift or improve the standards of a spoiled bitch? You know what I am talking about, that fucking cunt that knows she is better than you and demands your death to please her. Now I will give you just such an example through a link I read at loveshack just recently.

    Now I ran across this post at loveshack not but a few days ago with a guy in a similar situation I found myself in. The similarities are that this guy went for 15 years before finding out his wife was having an ongoing affair where mine was 13 years and was not ongoing. However here is the link gents..
    http://www.loveshack.org/forums/roma...g-lta-15-years
    Thankfully last I read he was going to divorce his wife. However she had carried on a 15 year affair with another man, the husband just found out. To make matters worse, two of his three kids are not his but the Other Man's kids. Oh but wait, it does not stop at this. He found emails where both of them were making fun of the fact that he was supporting these kids thinking they were his own. So his wife did not just cheat on him, she was actually laughing with her lover about duping this poor schmuck. Now some of us have been in situation close to this, myself thankfully no kids involved. I would say that thankfully for most here this is just a nightmare that could happen. Any way you look at it, is it worth the risks?

    Hey I like kids and I don't hold things like this against them. However I do hold it against the mothers that pull this kind of shit. They are not just lying to their husbands, they are also lying to their kids. One would like to think that this is just something that is rare to happen, however it is not. Often times men end up raising other men's kids without even knowing it. This is what women think of you when you marry them, you are nothing more than a provider to them and that is it. They will go out and fuck any "Chad Thundercock" they see fit and expect you to pay for it. So I don't tell men to avoid women for any hate or anything else, just that I've seen what damage a woman will cause to a man. It is not because she is simply targeting you and is taking some sort of revenge out on you. Simply put it is just because she has no type of empathy for any man she sees as a beta provider. Now how can you tell if your a beta provider or "Chad Thundercock" to her? Well this is simple, if your a beta provider you will wait for sex because it is special. If your a beta provider expect to go to her family gatherings and such. You will eventually meet her kids (which will always need a few bucks) and her mom and maybe her dad. As Mr. Money Bags you will be welcomed into the family, all will love you. However if your "Chad Thundercock" to her, you will never meet the family or kids at all. Instead you will be told to get a motel room or even the backseat of your car will do. She may even ask if it is okay if another girlfriend joins in on the fucking. Bottom line is that her panties will be off before you finish drinks and most definitely before dinner is served on the first date.

    How do I know this you may be asking. Well it is simple gents, I've been out on a few dates over the past year. I can tell you that often times by the first date, second at the most I was balls deep into these women. Not once did they want me to meet anyone or even go on an actual date, they just wanted to fuck. Once they got tired of me or it got too familiar they would move on. Now if your wondering why it is so bad for a woman to think of you in the more long term since, then you have not read what I wrote above and I would suggest you to reread what I have written. However since most of you here know what I am talking about then we come down to the "Peter Pan" syndrome of the topic. Basically you might say this is a way that women use to tell YOU to get off your ass and be the beta provider she needs so she is free to fuck "Chad Thundercock". Oh and if your thinking that just sharing this woman is okay, think again. Even if you marry this woman and tell her she can bang whoever she likes it still will not end good for you. Yes she will take advantage of this for awhile, however in the end she will divorce you, take you for all your worth now and in the future and collect child support on "Chad Thundercock's" kids. So this "Peter Pan" thing is nothing more than a shaming tactic to get you to open your wallet up to these women and pay for the fucking they are getting with other men.
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?...who gives a f***

    Do we really need to ask this question? Or answer this question?

    And if we were to answer...who would be our judge?

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    @The Prisoner

    Prostitution comes in many forms my friend. So long as women are the sought after sex, sex *WILL* be a commodity, there *WILL* be a market for it and payment will continue to take place in it's *many* forms. Some women who will never see a street corner are the biggest whores in the world. (Actually to call them whores is an insult to quality whores everywhere.) Some have not even finished high school and others have never had a full time job, yet after divorcing 5 or 6 times they have a mortgage-free home to live in and mortgage-free rental properties. How did they do this? They were domestic prostitutes.

    The problem with domestic prostitutes is they treat their men like crap and don't provide "performance of contract". An honorable street walker provides services rendered for money paid. She does what she says she is going to do. The domestic prostitute does the opposite of what she says she is going to do (opposite of wife, mother, etc.) yet walks away with the largest heap of spoils.

    The only way for there to be true equality between sexes is if ALL men make it a life-goal to overcome their biological nature. This will never happen.

    Feminism will either stop, or go to far and face significant backlash.

    Feminists should end "marrying for money" and alimony if they want women to be even CLOSE to equal with men. Until then, women will always be lesser creatures using their snatches to get ahead in the world.
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post

    Feminists should end "marrying for money" and alimony if they want women to be even CLOSE to equal with men. Until then, women will always be lesser creatures using their snatches to get ahead in the world.
    Actually, I would go one step further and just eliminate marriage period. As much as it deeply pains me to agree with feminism (first or second wave I am not sure), if you want equality you must end marriage. Where I differ from feminism is that I want to eliminate marriage so men will rise up in status from provider/slave to actual equal of women. As long as BDG gives women a loaded weapon to hold to their husbands head at the signing of the marriage license, then men are slaves. I greatly fear that as marriage is dying out in the west BDG is looking for some other way to weaponize women against men.

    Perhaps all this rape hysteria is just a way to have women enslave men without their consent in the form of a marriage.

    One final point. Even the total elimination of marriage will not stop women from using their snatches to get ahead; they will just use other means of using them to get ahead. Screwing the boss is one possible alternative. Currently women have no objection to using both marriage and screwing the boss to get ahead; usually at the same time.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes View Post
    Peter Pan is a testimony to the patriarchal society of the Victorian Era.

    When women say men are Peter Pan's, what they are doing is shaming men for not living up to a patriarchal standard which they hold in contempt. This itself is hypocrisy, but has been pointed out very little, if at all, in response to media shaming articles.

    Peter Pan defines growing up as growing into the responsibilities of a 'man' (in the Victorian Era) by being a father, husband, and provider (i.e. having a family). Women still want children. They want the idea of family, but they do not want the patriarchal definition of family.

    Women walked away from the gender roles of patriarchy decades ago, but hypocritically demand that men adhere to a social agreement which they shirk.

    Their insults are based in and dependent upon the patriarchy they say they hate.
    you're all too much on the mark, Program.... women really need to grow a brain and realize that there are some things you just cant have both ways... (main reason I regard most women as a paradox.. they deal in paradoxical thinking -- the above quote case in point)
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    The problem is how broadly women apply this insult - just about every guy on Earth gets shamed for being a "peter pan", and even if he's some dude who "manned up", then he STILL gets shit for working hard as a provider. Unbelievable. Even when a man has his shit together or is working hard on doing just that, he's not allowed to have fun on his own without being told to grow up. Doesn't matter if the hobby is "nerdy" or not, he gets shamed.

    Women don't want men to have any amount of fun if there are no women around to micromanage. If a married guy gets away with working on hobbies, I guarantee that it's a pain in the ass for him, because he has to be forceful about it every single time. And if kids are involved, he has no leverage anymore.


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