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    Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

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    The modern woman has what she thinks is an airtight explanation for why no man has stuck around: “It’s not MY fault. Men aren’t growing up.”

    The increasingly discredited and
    distrusted media backs them up, describing such men as “man-children” & suffering from “Peter Pan” syndrome. Men are falling behind in every area, not growing up, living an extended adolescence. It must be true. They keep saying it everywhere from television to reputable newspapers. Except it’s not.

    The “Peter Pan” depiction of men is a lie. A convenient one, which explains women’s unwanted singledom, but a lie nonetheless. Let’s go through their various arguments.



    Men Don’t Make Enough Money

    You see this everywhere today. The media echoing the female argument that women have to financially support their man because he doesn't earn enough, that the man is a deadbeat, there aren’t men that earn enough. “Money problems” is cited as a top reason not to get married. The end conclusion of every column is that “men need to get their act together”. In contrast, they say women have overtaken men as bread-winners and in this new age, there are not enough ‘eligible’ men for the “alpha women”.

    You hear things like “It is not uncommon to walk into the hottest new West Village bistro on a Saturday night and find five smartly dressed young women dining together—the nearest man the waiter. Income equality, or superiority, for women muddles the old, male-dominated dating structure.”

    Actual data disproves the idea . Men earn more than women across age ranges and races. The following tables show the median weekly earnings of men and women.

    “What about white men? Aren’t young white men just wasting time in bars these days?”






    “Well that’s white people, how about Asian people? Don’t young Asian men just play videogames all day long?”





    “OK, OK, white men and Asian men are moneybags, but what about Hispanic men. Their women make more than them by working white collar and pink collar jobs…..right?”




    “You patriarchal shitlord! Well, black men have fallen behind. We KNOW this because we tell you every 15 minutes that black men are underachievers, and black women are super-strong career women.”




    So let me ask the question: if immature men are falling behind, why do we earn MORE than women for every age bracket and racial category? It’s because we’re not. Excelling at what one does for a living is a sign of capability and competence. It often means doing what needs to get done on the work site or in the office to meet high standards; sometimes that means working past 5 PM which some people aren’t willing to do. It’s difficult to outperform other people in the workplace without maturity. Corporations tend not to like irresponsible juveniles.

    It’s very clear from these numbers that men continue to outperform women in the workplace, meeting a woman's standard of financial “eligibility”. Could it be that the men are eligible and not interested with the quality of the modern woman he’s seeing. If it is, it might explain the smokescreen we’re seeing about “male immaturity”.


    They Play Videogames

    This is honestly one of the funniest (and most intellectually dishonest) arguments I’ve heard. Videogames were a form of entertainment that were popularized in the late 70’s with the Atari 2600, and then grew in popularity with the Nintendo 8-bit console in the 80’s. In other words, on the scale of society and culture, or in the case of the definition of male identity, they are relatively recent.

    When a new kind of recreation emerges, it’s not uncommon for the youth to be the first to embrace it. The hula hoop was embraced by children before it became a health tool for adults. Texting is an example of a modern phenomena that millennials engaged in growing up but continue to find the usefulness as they enter adulthood. Today, the games that come out on modern consoles like Xbox are designed for adults and have complexity that make them different from kid’s games. But there’s no mistaking, we go from one generation where some activity is largely the province of the youth, but then later it is more broadly accepted by the population. When we make this transition, it is a simple but a rather phony charge that the activity is “something kids do”. I’ve yet to hear one argument as to why these games are inherently ‘childish’ other than last generation, mostly kids played video games.

    Women like to claim “Video games are for kids” whereas it’s a disingenuous syllogism that women hope people won’t think too hard about.

    Meanwhile the press will go to great lengths to justify the fact that many adult women indulge in reading “young adult” (YA) literature meant for 14-year olds.

    Men Live with their Parents!

    Let’s think about the choice of where to live based on the growing burden of student debt. Take a look at these facts:

    • Women take longer to repay student loans (Choy & Li, 2006).
    • “According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, single men spent 30.3 percent of their annual income on housing; and single women spent 39.8 percent. “ (source).
    • 26% of young men manage to save more than 10% of their incomes, compared with just 9% of women. (source).
    • The median Net Worth of single, black women is $5 (source).



    Here is median net worth by age and race (summarized from
    “Lifting as we Climb”):








    So the press wants us to believe that men are “sad Peter Pans” for living with their parents but its likely this decision that allows them to spend less of their annual income on housing, pay down their student debt faster, save more money in general, and maintain higher net worth. Most men move out by 30 when roughly only 10-15% of both men and women elect to stay at home. When men choose to save money and do the responsible thing, they are faulted. Immature? Sounds like the future-orientation and fiscal responsibility men are known for. And this better financial picture is precisely why women seek out men as Beta Bux after blowing through all their disposable income, having serious unpaid debt, and little to null net worth. Ever wonder why every other girl on Match talks about every foreign destination she wants to travel to? She hopes that the men who were far more mature than her have saved enough to afford it.


    Young Men are Just Living in the Now, Not Thinking about the Future

    61% of millennial men are saving money for retirement and only 50% of women are. This is blamed on income disparity, but realistically anyone can save for retirement, however little. The more likely explanation: the lack of maturity amongst women to understand financial matters. "Millennial women tend to be less financially literate than their male peers, according to a study by the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. Only 18 percent of millennial women demonstrated high levels of financial literacy, compared with 29 percent of millennial men". (source). Maturity means thinking ahead and becoming knowledgable about things that matter - young men seem to be well ahead of women on these fronts.

    Where are the Men in College?

    Women are patted on the back for regurgitating textbook and classroom material and receiving their proof of attendance certificate from the diploma mill. That men are doing so less than women is hardly a sign of immaturity.

    Women are graduating with majors that earn modest income. Not every job requires a college major. What is more mature: going to college because of social pressure and having a job where you can barely pay off the student loans, or going directly into the workforce?

    The highest paying majors are dominated by men:




    The lowest paying majors are: animal science, social work, and child development which are dominated by women. The education choices of men appear to be a sign of pragmatism. To the extent, that men attend college, they are more likely to get a major that leads to solid income. To the extent they avoid college, they avoid massive debt. What they are less likely to do is what women often do which is to incur college debt and exit with a major thats likely to lead to underemployment and low wages - the worst of both worlds.


    In Summary

    Women and grasping at straws to depict men as immature. In reality, a woman will always try to define male maturity as being ready to submit to marriage and serve as her provider. Ultimately, this means suppressing our own wants and goals for lifelong servitude to their baby rabies instinct, their nesting instinct, and their vapid life of constant trips to Bed Bath & Beyond, and a life of Keeping up with the Joneses.

    Their disparagement of men has nothing to do with actual maturity, earning a solid income, net assets, or responsibility. Single men earn and save considerably more than single women. In actuality, single women are grown up children: reading ‘young adult’ literature, playing the popularity game well into their 20s, babbling about reality shows and “boys”. That they consider themselves the arbiters of maturity is simply preposterous. Women want us to believe the marrying them is somehow a "rite of passage" to real manhood or maturity. Yet, we have nothing to prove.

    The “Peter Pan” depiction of modern men is like Peter Pan in one sense. It’s fiction.
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    You know what I find interesting?

    If a woman has a problem, society tells us to ask her how she feels. Why does she feel that way. Is there anything we can do to help. Let's talk about how you feel. It is the feelings that count.

    Men currently have a problem that is causing them to avoid marriage and cohabitation. The trend is rising. Instead of asking men why, feminists are inventing reasons of their own. Nobody is bothering to do a survey asking men, why do you not want to get married? How do you feel about that? Why do you feel that way?

    This is why they say men do not want to grow up, men live at home and play video games etc etc. They don't know the truth and they don't want to know the truth.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Researching this article made me realize how lopsided the idea wars are between men and women. To get the data, I either had to go directly to the source (ie: the Census) or I had to filter through articles and publications with strong feminist leanings. In those cases, I had to skip past page after page of commentary and presentation of data in such a way that validated their theories (ie: all financial discrepancies between men and women owe to the pay gap); I had to get to the source data and from that, understand the real story. How easy is it to be a feminist? No work is necessary. Non-profits and the mainstream press will spoonfeed you all the talking points you need, no heavy lifting required. Debunking conventional wisdom means diving deep yourself.

    I realized that the Peter Pan accusation is an extension of what women try to do in any relationship. Attack whatever a man enjoys, whether it's spending time with friends, or spending time on a hobby. All so he can "invest" more time in her. The aggravation of watching men of all ages enjoy their lives rather than turn over half their wages to her must be all too much. Men won't give up taking their waverunner out on the water to stay at home and hear their wife whine about her job for the 1000ths time unless they try to dress up the latter and stigmatize the former. Although I realize this motivation at play, I still wanted to debunk the notion that men are somehow plagued with immaturity. Men are just as capable as they ever were; if anything, women's entry into the workplace highlights their relative lack of capability which they try to politicize as a "pay gap". Men are at work (where they are continuing to run circles around women) and are at leisure. All this makes a full life. Perhaps the highest level of maturity is realizing what you don't need.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    When a feminist says "man up", what she means is "put on this leash". When a feminist talks about men having peter pan syndrome, she means men "don't want to put on the leash".
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Childhood joke about Peter Pan that a symbolic fit here?

    How does Peter Pan fly?

    If you got hit in the peter with a pan, you'd fly too...

    Hope I didn't dumb anyone down...

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    I earn 140k a year, give or take 10k, depending on OT.

    I busted my fucking arse to get to this point. I was the top of my class at Uni. Sure, the career ain't everything and it may not last forever - no jobs are secure any longer - even the STEM fields.

    But I can hardly be accused of being a lazy bum.

    I've been divorced and cleaned out, but I built my wealth again. I have a 500k+ net worth and I've travelled the world - alone - not with a bunch of friends - which in my mind, makes it somewhat of an achievement - especially given I was in 250k of debt only a few years ago. I'd never travelled whilst I was married.

    I've done quite well for myself. But I'll be damned if I "settle down" and "get back on the horse".

    Once you've seen marriage for what it is and you've done your time and have been granted freedom - it's really no different from having your own "Shawshank Redemption".

    Freedom. Sweet, unadulterated freedom. It is priceless.

    Anybody who accuses a man of being "immature" or "afraid of commitment" or a "Peter Pan" has only one thing in mind:-

    - Your virtual imprisonment.
    - Your blood, sweat and inevitable torrent of tears.
    - Your slavery.
    - Your life.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Men make more than women, but do single men make more than single women ? When you look at all men, the statistics include married work horses supporting a wife and children. I haven't looked at the data, but my recollection from reading Dalrock is that single men make less than married men. So the average for single men are lower than you depicted. Also, many single men are paying child support. So, while technically they make more than women, they have less money to spend on themselves or to any household they would become part of. Also, the average for women include the leisure class of women who outsourced money making to the work horse they tied the knot with. So I suspect the average for single women is higher than the average for all women.

    I haven't looked at the data. But I suspect single men have only a little more money left after child support than single women. Lowering their beta bux value in the eyes of women. Dalrock had a nice piece on how the US is finally closing the long decried gender wage gap: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2015/0...e-and-for-all/. I haven't read the whole article, but it seems to me, from that article, that once men have given up on marriage, they don't make any more than single women. Or maybe barely more. Look at his data.

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    It always amazes me that chicks that commute by bus want guys to have a car that is woth 2 years salary no less . They make the same salary but in their wildest dreams they cant afford to own a car not even talking about the gas .

    What kills me that in the office men and women make the very same pay for the very same job but for a man money must grow on trees .

    Another thing you must look good , good clothes , good body ... well ladies for a man to have a nice body its gym 5 days a week emmm dont you think i have no time for you and your coffee dates ?

    And you know what ladies newsflash - I HAVE A PENIS !!! And you dont bitches bahahah
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    Isn't the issue simply that while on average men are still making a little more then women when you break it down what is happening is that there is a smaller number of much higher earning men pushing the median a little higher then the median for women, thus simply creating a situation where high income woman following their hypergamous instincts have a much smaller pool to draw from.

    Regardless all I can really say about it is if they wanted a breadwinner husband why the fuck have they been fighting so hard to push men out of and or take the bread winning jobs, and I don't think we really need to discuss the push to drive men out of education completely... seems to me that really defeats their end objective.
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    Not to be Captain Tangent again, but this bit of Jarg's post struck me:
    How easy is it to be a feminist? No work is necessary. Non-profits and the mainstream press will spoonfeed you all the talking points you need, no heavy lifting required. Debunking conventional wisdom means diving deep yourself.
    Yep, like I've said before, it's the old Reader's Digest thing: you don't need to do anything to keep receiving feminist nonsense, simply do nothing and the rest of the world will deliver Blue Pill drivel direct to your door.

    Hence why we need MGTOW forums. It's sort of like showering after a hard day swimming through a septic tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdenour View Post
    Men make more than women, but do single men make more than single women ? When you look at all men, the statistics include married work horses supporting a wife and children. I haven't looked at the data, but my recollection from reading Dalrock is that single men make less than married men. So the average for single men are lower than you depicted. Also, many single men are paying child support. So, while technically they make more than women, they have less money to spend on themselves or to any household they would become part of. Also, the average for women include the leisure class of women who outsourced money making to the work horse they tied the knot with. So I suspect the average for single women is higher than the average for all women.

    I haven't looked at the data. But I suspect single men have only a little more money left after child support than single women. Lowering their beta bux value in the eyes of women. Dalrock had a nice piece on how the US is finally closing the long decried gender wage gap: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2015/0...e-and-for-all/. I haven't read the whole article, but it seems to me, from that article, that once men have given up on marriage, they don't make any more than single women. Or maybe barely more. Look at his data.
    I have been looking at these statistics for a while. The first time I looked there were statistics of < 30, never married, and no children in about 2000 which showed that women in this category made about 1 to 2% more than men. In 2008 the statistic for the same group became women make 8% more. In 2014 the category changed to never married and no children, with no age limit (seems there are a lot more over 30 singles with no children these days), and women now make 17% more than men in the same category. Why do married men earn more? Because they have to. See Dalrock’s “How to close the gender pay gap once and for all”. Basically what he shows is that the entirety of the pay gap is due to married men making more and married women making less. His modest proposal is as follows:

    "What we need to do is remove the powerful incentives men and boys perceive to being the family breadwinner. These incentives are the root cause of men choosing harder but higher paying majors, accepting a longer commute, working longer hours, choosing a more demanding or even dangerous work environment, etc. "

    What he isn’t willing to go far enough to do is just do away with marriage. Once you do away with marriage, and make everyone stand on their own two feet financially, the pay gap will disappear or strongly favor the women who receive Affirmative Action advantages practically from the cradle.

    So, for never married, no children, women there is an honest issue of financially outdoing their peers. These are the ones looking to date and pair up. They are finding slim pickings. I applaud this. Let them work their asses off. Let us maximize the number of involuntarily childless spinsters on the corporate treadmill. Let the women pay the taxes that fund Sally Singlemom. Meanwhile, the millennial men of this generation will be poolside sipping Margareta’s and munching on popcorn. I congratulate them for seeing that the game is rigged and bowing out of the competition. Maybe if my generation had seen the future clearly we would have done the same and the problem would be solved by now.
    Last edited by BeijaFlor; January 16, 2015 at 12:56 AM. Reason: Add link to Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal," written in much the same spirit as Dalrock's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouchmuch View Post
    Isn't the issue simply that while on average men are still making a little more then women when you break it down what is happening is that there is a smaller number of much higher earning men pushing the median a little higher then the median for women, thus simply creating a situation where high income woman following their hypergamous instincts have a much smaller pool to draw from.

    Regardless all I can really say about it is if they wanted a breadwinner husband why the fuck have they been fighting so hard to push men out of and or take the bread winning jobs, and I don't think we really need to discuss the push to drive men out of education completely... seems to me that really defeats their end objective.

    I guess it can never be repeated too often; women are incapable of understanding cause and effect. This is due to never having had to suffer the consequences of bad actions or decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    [*]The median Net Worth of single, black women is $5 (source).
    I love this so much.
    And when her lips so sweetly move
    The soul such height attain,
    You're free, yet would no longer rove
    But lay you down in chains.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Great essay. Worthy of inclusion in a main stream media outlet. Well researched and balanced.

    Too bad it doesn't fit the narrative. Bravo jagr!

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    Quote Originally Posted by toolate View Post
    Great essay. Worthy of inclusion in a main stream media outlet. Well researched and balanced.

    Too bad it doesn't fit the narrative. Bravo jagr!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBlue View Post
    You know what I find interesting?

    If a woman has a problem, society tells us to ask her how she feels. Why does she feel that way. Is there anything we can do to help. Let's talk about how you feel. It is the feelings that count.

    Men currently have a problem that is causing them to avoid marriage and cohabitation. The trend is rising. Instead of asking men why, feminists are inventing reasons of their own. Nobody is bothering to do a survey asking men, why do you not want to get married? How do you feel about that? Why do you feel that way?

    This is why they say men do not want to grow up, men live at home and play video games etc etc. They don't know the truth and they don't want to know the truth.
    I'm semi-retired, which is a polite way of saying that, despite my education and experience, I can't find a job at my age. However, I've been living off my investments for over a dozen years and have been able to pay my rent and my bills, so I'm not doing so bad.

    I have a life of my own. I don't sit at home and play video games. I work on the research I started while I studied for my Ph. D., which means I maintain the software I wrote for it and have to look after the computers I use for my modelling. I am an editor for an amateur radio publication and, when the weather's right, I set up my station outside and go on the air.

    On top of that, I check up on my 81-year-old father once in a while because, aside from his dog, I'm the only immediate family he has left in this country.

    Some Peter Pan syndrome....
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    When a feminist says "man up", what she means is "put on this leash". When a feminist talks about men having peter pan syndrome, she means men "don't want to put on the leash".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    And you know what ladies newsflash - I HAVE A PENIS !!! And you dont bitches bahahah
    Alik, the last person I heard crowing about that, like that, was a ladyboy at Nana Plaza in Bangkok.

    ... Erm ... is there something we ought to know about this?

    ON EDIT: No, no, no, Alik, I'm just teasing you!
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    I might be oversimplifying things a bit but I see it as..

    Peter Pan Syndrome = Male regression to a more adolescent state - as defined by the popular opinion of what young guys are like.

    But Adolescence = also may equal one of the happier times in a guy's life. I know for me it was. I did nothing but get laid, indulge in my hobbies, and laugh enough with friends that I still remember it decades later.

    So Peter Pan Syndrome = Is in reality guy's being happy however they feel like.

    The only reason this even gets on a woman's radar - is that it leaves them powerless since men are seeking their own internal happiness over a life of sacrifice and servitude.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    I was a playboy from 25 until my early thirties. Total peter pan. I took women out, showed them a good time, was charming, seductive, and they really seemed to enjoy my conversation and where I took them. Best years of my life. I looked ten years younger than I actually was. Made it to thirty not getting a woman pregnant... I had a few long term relationships, but I guess since I was not in a mad panic for a wife and kids and house complete with white picket fence, minivan, and 2.4 kids, these relationships were doomed from the start. I didn't even want to move in with these women. Between relationships, well, I was a bad doggie.

    The trouble I have is this. When a man refuses to do WHAT WOMEN WANT he's labelled:

    a) Peter Pan
    b) Immature
    c) Playboy
    d) Philanderer

    Hmmm. Then women behave the exact same way on the cock carousel. They are empowered. EMPOWERED.

    I call bullsh1t. The SHAME GAME is over darlings. We know your tricks. Shaming men in conversation means only one thing: you have no argument, you have no case, you have no evidence, what you have is nothing. All you can do is SHAME MEN who refuse to do what you want them to do.

    Here is what I think: if a lot of women are shaming you, then sir, you're doing it right.

    Perfectly right.

    Make yourself happy. You owe nobody anything, except yourself. You owe yourself the best you can do and the best you can be.

    But do it for you, and for your benefit and enjoyment only and to h3ll what makes you "attractive" to women and have "something to offer" to women. Most women these days bring nothing more than attitude and a STD infected vagina to the table, along with their three page list of "must haves" in their prince charming. Don't worry yourself with websites that tell you what you need to do, to improve, to be more attractive to women. Women want things that you don't need. And more often than not, women don't really know what it actually is that they want. They want what the TV tells them to want. They want what their girlfriends have. They want what SHE has. They want - OOOH SHINY! Nevermind. What they want is really of no relevance. Some of the needless bullshi1t some of my married friends are putting on YET MORE CREDIT LINES makes me want to vomit - I truly don't know how these whipped buggers sleep at night. They just mumble something about "happy wife, happy life" and try to get a few hours sleep before their next 12 hour stint at the office. Gotta work hard! Gotta make those minimum payments! Gotta make wifey happy! Wow, really? Do you really need to do that?

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    Go after things that expand your mind. Push your body. Feed your soul. Stir your passions.

    Anything you do ONLY for the sake of pussy is a waste. Unless it's "getting ripped" in the gym, which has health spin-offs. Unless you're juicing (which most ripped guys are), in which case you're killing yourself for pussy, because you have greater chances of prostate cancer and/or heart attack later in life.

    There is that song "She likes me for me"

    Who cares what she likes. Like you for you.
    Last edited by Insidious_Sid; January 16, 2015 at 6:13 AM.
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...


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