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    Re: Skiving at Work (Empty Labor)

    That is well thought out and I know a lot of grad students that do this to work their way through school with low skilled jobs. They know they are going to be paid min wage no matter what, so they find they can actually study on the job while being paid so it is a win/win for them.

    Another example is booking appointments with clients with your side gig while on your current job. This saves you time while making you seem on top of your game for your clients and for your business by being paid to be at someone else's business. Another win/win.

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    Re: Skiving at Work (Empty Labor)

    I find that most people are surprisingly slow workers. It doesn't pay to work faster than them. Hell, they might even hate you for it and make your workplace hell for you as payback. But I can't recommend doing *nothing* either. Reason being that it's boring as fuck and the time just won't pass that way. Just do your tasks in a slow manner, maybe speed up a bit when the supervisor comes by and that's basically it.
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    Re: Skiving at Work (Empty Labor)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    I find that most people are surprisingly slow workers. It doesn't pay to work faster than them. Hell, they might even hate you for it and make your workplace hell for you as payback. But I can't recommend doing *nothing* either. Reason being that it's boring as fuck and the time just won't pass that way. Just do your tasks in a slow manner, maybe speed up a bit when the supervisor comes by and that's basically it.
    I'd have to agree with you that doing nothing is a big mistake in the art of skiving at work. You will come across as simply lazy and put yourself in the line of fire when there are reorganizations.

    Working slow is a great way to camouflage your lack of work. Basically you always want to look like you are doing something.

    A great tactic to use is get all of you work done except for the last little bit. Keep that little bit sitting on your desk throughout the whole day and then finish it when the day is about to end. If your boss walks by, then stare intently at the work that you are mostly finished with. This makes you look actively engaged.
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    Re: Skiving at Work (Empty Labor)

    If you want to really push it you can save the last taks at the end and push for overtime where you receive time and half if you are wage. If you are salary make sure that you leave on the dot as there is no point to staying beyond your 40 hours (30 hours full time in Europe?) if you are salaried.

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    Re: Skiving at Work (Empty Labor)

    40 hours in this part of Europe too, Nomad. We don't get to slack off -that- much.
    Beyond that I can echo some of the sentiments in previous messages. Not rewarding management with high performance when they offer nothing tangible in return was a lesson I learned the hard way:
    Our team was overloaded at the time. So work piled up more and more, crap didn't get done. Not really our fault since work was shoved our way that wasn't under our contract and the guy in charge of that had the spine of a jellyfish. But when the customer threatened to withdraw from the contract it suddenly was all hands on deck. Heavy overtime was authorized to clear the backlog, and we were all asked to "keep up with the workload once the backlog was cleared". Well, we did that. One month later, we were on target again.
    Response from management was to drop one worker from our team since we were obviously not working to capacity. Our entire team was insulted by this. The targets for that customer were never met again, and our team manager knew better then to ask for another and continuous extra effort. Ever since then, I refuse to pick up the slack for a structural problem created by management and push that problem right back to its point of origin. I get paid for 8 hours of work a day, and will do no less - and no more.
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    Re: Skiving at Work (Empty Labor)

    Night shift in a sawmill, there's one foreman. If they know they can depend on you, they'll overlook a lot. I got away with murder, though it was paid for with a lot of work that I could of avoided. But like everything else, being an outlaw has it's price.


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    Being a rookie on the eve of some serious downsizing, the Bear should of kicked me out first. But first a boss, and later our department head sent more qualified people packing. I was lucky, they both saw something in me no one else did. Not even me. So hard work did get me a reward, I got to stay and wear out some more boots while others hit the road. We're talking serious numbers here, the forest has a third of the employees it did thirty years ago. Course I'd a still had a job, but Smokey can send you anyplace from Nome to Key West. I got to stay home, even if home is a dump.

    So being a chump can pay, though it usually don't. I'm the exception, looks like.
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    Re: Skiving at Work (Empty Labor)

    I just discovered something about my own workplace which is worth adding.

    We have a new system in place to monitor absence and timekeeping.
    In the case of timekeeping being "late" is defined as clocking in more than 3 minutes after your shift was meant to start. The crazy thing is of course is that the company does not distinguish between HOW late so clocking in 90 minutes after the start time is still counted the same as being 5 minutes late as far as the disciplinary procedure is concerned (all you lose is the pay). You are allowed 4 late days per 13 weeks (I usually average 2 or 3 a year !!!)

    Obviously there are ways to exploit this system.

    Example : I cycle to work and have a puncture half way.


    What I used to do : Get off my bike and push it the rest of the way to work. Clock in half hour late. Have to walk home with bike after work then fix puncture, this adds about an extra hour to my day.


    What I do now : Get off my bike and push it back home, fix puncture then cycle to work and clock in 90 minutes late. Rest of the day as normal, transferred the hours inconvenience to myself to an hour less at work. Still recorded as number of times late plus 1.

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    Re: Skiving at Work (Empty Labor)

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Example : I cycle to work and have a puncture half way.
    What I used to do : Get off my bike and push it the rest of the way to work. Clock in half hour late. Have to walk home with bike after work then fix puncture, this adds about an extra hour to my day.
    What I do now : Get off my bike and push it back home, fix puncture then cycle to work and clock in 90 minutes late. Rest of the day as normal, transferred the hours inconvenience to myself to an hour less at work. Still recorded as number of times late plus 1.
    Yes. This is exactly how it is done. You are just trying to get by in the system that exists.
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