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    Why Relationships Will be Obsolete.

    After my second month in cubicle hell, I've come to understand a few things beyond what my OTJ training books contain.

    I'm predicting two things; the first is the end of the male-female relationship as we know it. Two, the beginning of a social lifestyle where male-female natural relationships are considered deviant.

    These are bold claims, so lets begin with the reasoning behind the first one.First women wont need males at all for anything beyond basic , animalistic sex. Between government subsidies and bluepill chump males, females won't need a dude around for anything . Granted a man who earns a lot of money WOULD be a useful accessory. But a man that smart won't be dumb enough to consort with a woman in the first place.

    The previous and current generation of women expect a male suitor to bail them out before they hit the wall. Their daughters will not be so foolish.Not as they grow up dodging their spinster mother's cats on the way out the door to school. They'll simply plan to have kids and raise them absent a male period.

    Next, as society trips over itself giving scholarships and handouts to women going to college, by nature its also closing the door on males doing the same thing. Right now college is a fairly gynocentric institution in the west. It's only going to get worse with time. Rather soon admission itself will be difficult or impossible for males without a special , politically correct appellation to jot down on the entry document. In this area I predict most colleges will recruit home grown male students strictly for athletic teams ;the rest of the quota mandated male student body -necessary to offset the 80% female student body -will be imported from foreign soil. Joe Public Jr. can go take a hike insofar as the State U admissions office will be concerned.

    Which means males of the future will be locked out of higher paid jobs. In turn they'll be locked out of serious consideration by women for dating prospects. Even here rationality will rule the day. Much like how the daughters of modern women will plan to live family life absent any male figures, the sons of those women will realize themselves they'd better plan on living absent female company. How can a man offer to date a woman when she makes more then he does? How can he impress her with a high priced car, house, etc when she can pay for all that twice over ? How will Beta male coupling work when she makes twice what he does?

    It won't. And offered a choice between going it alone and committing to a dude who makes less (by economic necessity) , she will go about parenthood willingly alone. Between her degrees and the government ,she don't need no man and will act accordingly.

    Since the 80% of males won't be mathematically able to afford a woman and women will insist on either dating high paid guys or none at all, those males will just drop off the dating grid and go 'herbivore'.

    Next ; women will insist on passing laws taxing those males further , reducing their incentive to work and produce more. Women will only interact with Alpha ex-con hunks for sex, and the majority of both genders will consider dating the same way most of us view owning a Bentley Continental- something to aspire too, but fuck all if its actually gonna happen. Guys won't touch girls because Pain In the Ass and Jail Risk, while women wont touch guys because Ewww They're All So Broke. So, not only will guys be going Ghost from interacting with the opposite gender......but the women too, albeit for opposite reasons.

    Girls will sleep with stud ex cons and other girls, guys will just drop out or go gay/into sexbots , kids will be raised by Mom and Mom or Mom and her favorite Meth Dealer stud, and the entire notion of Marriage and even male/female dating as we know it will be as quaint as a SuperNintendo game console.

    What say you all?

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    Re: Why Relationships Will be Obsolete.

    In your scenario, if men become poorer and poorer they may just group together in "frat house" style of living. Six or more guys renting a house and focus on their video game systems instead of women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayn View Post
    In your scenario, if men become poorer and poorer they may just group together in "frat house" style of living. Six or more guys renting a house and focus on their video game systems instead of women.
    i've seen this myself in a gentrifying neighborhood. they had the attitude that they were not going to pursue a conservative form of a relationship. although they were very different guys, they behaved in a way to avoid conflict. i think these living conditions and wealth encourage that behavior.

    women won't be attracted to these guys but for a one-night stand. these relationships reinforce the neutral, beta behavior, because they don't have to earn sex. this enables them to both coexist peacefully, and identify as a guy. these guy were not young and cool, so they didn't share video games. otherwise, it is like college.

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    Since the 80% of males won't be mathematically able to afford a woman and women will insist on either dating high paid guys or none at all, those males will just drop off the dating grid and go 'herbivore'.
    i think of this as more of a natural process. long trends become cultures. the first sign that it is really happening is when guy culture no longer identifies with conservative qualities, like being a lumberjack. i've already seen it in the guys who are like 20 years younger than me. the definition of a guy is changing, so i think it will happen in another 10 or 20 years.
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    None of this will happen in the west because traditionalism (and poverty/squalor) will be the new norm due to a different culture.
    If you see an average human as a logical actor you might be dissapointed. If you see them as an input/output device you might not be.


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    Interesting theory guys. But the problem I see with them is money. Yes you can mechanize production, until a certain level, then you need people with STEM qualifications. Unfortunately this is decreasing. The USA funds this system with debt, but eventually you will have to repay it. Most of these women have shitty degrees, they also don't produce a thing, except bastard kids. When money runs out however The US will drag Europe to the ground too. But back to the US, because the state can't pay the soldiers, and police forces anarchy will reign. Women will soon forget feminism,but men won't forget what women did. Welcome true equality. Production will be reduced drastically. You produce for yourself or you raid. The only "order" will be kept by local militias. But you can raid only when others produce. Whether society will rebuild is another question.

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    Re: Why Relationships Will be Obsolete.

    Wars and Revolutions have started over water droughts (Syria), food shortages (French Revolutions and many iterations of French Republics), etc. These beta men don't stay beta for long and actually become alpha for a brief period in time to alter the time stream.

    That is why no man ever stays beta or alpha consistently through life. It takes a single spark to change the course of history. A lot of alpha men during peace time are enjoying pussy up the nose but they do it because they have been discarded until the next war is to be fought. Then they are called upon to become the alpha leader.

    I agree that relationship coupling dynamics will become obsolete if nothing changes and peace time in the West continues.

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    Unfortunately I think that the majority of men are still going to marry and live in a blue pill existence. Those of us that have taken the red pill had to seek it out.

    Every day I hear about men that I work with getting remarried for the second or third time. They keep thinking that the next will be better.

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    Re: Why Relationships Will be Obsolete.

    Quote Originally Posted by RATM View Post
    Unfortunately I think that the majority of men are still going to marry and live in a blue pill existence. Those of us that have taken the red pill had to seek it out.

    Every day I hear about men that I work with getting remarried for the second or third time. They keep thinking that the next will be better.
    That's what it seems like to me too. I keep underestimating how low most men's standards are. Just gotta go out and count the men you see who clearly got married for no good reason - they just had to be involved with something technically considered female, nothing else is considered. Not that there's a good reason to get married, but I'm talking about when you see those couples and go WTF because the man is so clearly lightyears ahead in SMV. Sure maybe it was an oops pregnancy, but I think guys who want to be married at all costs are basically in endless demand. Never underestimate how desperately people want to complete the 'character arc' narrative that's been handed to them by society. Look at how vicious the shaming is simply for men who choose to opt out.

    In ten years? I think the pressure may increase, but I'm not sure yet if anyone's going to notice, same way they're oblivious right now.

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    Depressing, isn't it.

    Might have been better if Sommers/Farrell/Blume/friday had been the main body... but no....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggets View Post
    That's what it seems like to me too. I keep underestimating how low most men's standards are. Just gotta go out and count the men you see who clearly got married for no good reason - they just had to be involved with something technically considered female, nothing else is considered. Not that there's a good reason to get married, but I'm talking about when you see those couples and go WTF because the man is so clearly lightyears ahead in SMV. Sure maybe it was an oops pregnancy, but I think guys who want to be married at all costs are basically in endless demand. Never underestimate how desperately people want to complete the 'character arc' narrative that's been handed to them by society. Look at how vicious the shaming is simply for men who choose to opt out.

    In ten years? I think the pressure may increase, but I'm not sure yet if anyone's going to notice, same way they're oblivious right now.
    The pressures going to come from the female side of the house.

    The influence of a bluepill government, educational, media and family organization system will ensure millions of bluepill drones will be around to wife up SMV 2 women in the decades to come.

    Combine the factors of a higher number of Drone Males, a lower economic earning potential for those males, and a higher number of women graduating college with advanced degrees on top of a socially encouraged system of Hypergamy by every public and private institution in the land, and you get a society where 80% of males don't just Not Date- they'll be systematically ignored in total by women. Our generation talks about the first time we had sex, our relationships and so forth.

    The next generation of average males will be totally celibate, unless they're built like Vin Diesel or are extremely wealthy compared to their peers.Forget pickup -PUAs gonna sound like some kind of joke. I easily see a future where the few guys who ARE dating women dont even fuck at all from courtship to marriage. Instead of pity sex , she'll just say outright she ain't putting out for the boyfriend . Dont like it? Take a hike, cause there's thirty simps lined up around the block who will pledge themselves to her for a mere glance at her tits.

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    Re: Why Relationships Will be Obsolete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    After my second month in cubicle hell, I've come to understand a few things beyond what my OTJ training books contain.
    Hopefully your fancy book learning teached ya how ta use a pencil....

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    first is the end of the male-female relationship as we know it.
    That's already happened slick, most of us are pretty fucking late to the party pal, and we showed up a few decades late, but thank's to some French dudes we haz cheezburger now so the cool kids cheat sheet is being passed around now.

    Normal male and female relationships were wiped out in the early 50's and wont ever return in our lifetime, and that includes you younger blokes who are still sitting on the sidelines thinking it will correct in another decade or so. This is a very long term and strategic annihilation of western culture, or what was originally the American way of doing business. Even if we actually saw total financial or social collapse it wont change anything which is where your theory falls apart.

    I see a whole lot of morons swapping twaddle about how cool it's going to be once anarchy hits and women are "forced" back into their previous roles. It's a great fantasy, but that isn't going to happen. The stupid dames have burned every bridge there is.... to get back... get back... to get back... to where we once belonged... Yeah I know what I did there jackass, and I know you were humming it like a queer watching Freddy Mercury.

    Sure a lot of decent fellas are gonna die, it's gonna be bloody and far worse than you can imagine. I almost feel sorry for the coloreds, those fuckers are gonna die by the millions. The hispanics are looking at 50% +/- casualties and the "ruling class" is going to see 100% + for a death toll. Entire families are going to be wacked and that wont be pretty. The women, oh boy... They are going to find out what a REAL rape culture is for those lucky enough to survive. Their girl empowered bullshit will run dry in a month at best.

    What you need to look at there is the anger, and that's going to rain down like brand new Mercedes seeking hail at a church social! Do you have any idea how many men have been devastated from top to bottom? Their entire world ripped apart because some tramp couldn't shut it for one fucking day? Well that tune has it's dance card full up and is ready to party. Believe me, those guys are going to do some damage, once they get the green light for their little rage fest that womens studies degree isn't going to help much.

    You see when it happens, it's going to happen fast, and that means days buddy not months or years. Women are going to get caught right in the middle of that insane crossfire. You will see the dumbest, most idiotic decisions being made and whole families will pay the price because billy beta isn't gonna step the fuck up and do what needs to be done. No sir, but his big mouth wife sure will and it will cost her dearly when she does. What you need to understand is that women have damaged society so badly that the tiny fraction of men who still would follow the "protect & provide" plan are almost gone and what little will they have was extinguished long ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    Two, the beginning of a social lifestyle where male-female natural relationships are considered deviant.
    Nope... The only "relationship" that will exist will be exactly like what you see on national geographic, but there ill be dope and guns involved. There may be a ford too, but it's probably going to be just some flop house or wherever it's convenient. Women wont even rate as high as cattle and will be seen as just dead weight like they used to be. On the up side the feminazis will finally have their "rape culture" but it sure will be a lot worse than they could ever fathom.
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    Re: Why Relationships Will be Obsolete.

    Quote Originally Posted by T0000009 View Post
    Nope... The only "relationship" that will exist will be exactly like what you see on national geographic, but there ill be dope and guns involved. There may be a ford too, but it's probably going to be just some flop house or wherever it's convenient. Women wont even rate as high as cattle and will be seen as just dead weight like they used to be. On the up side the feminazis will finally have their "rape culture" but it sure will be a lot worse than they could ever fathom.
    This image takes one thing for granted; that men can think their way past the fog of pussy.

    Most cannot. I've seen, via the military, what happens when women and men mingle in a social field environment. The women become puppetmasters, and the men become playthings to Hypergamy.

    There'll be dope, there'll be guns...and there'll be dead dudes by the ton, while women take a number to sidle up next to the hardest mofo shot caller they can get. The scrubs will gladly shoot at each other for a whiff of snatch; heck that already happens now in some quarters.

    The feminists? They'll be living the dream : what we guys call "post-civilization collapse" they'd call "gina tingling paradise". Those same empowered women who espouse feminism would be sucking some warlords cock with a big azz smile .Frankly, give a woman the choice of marrying and being loyal to a "nice guy" in modern times or being a member of Genghis Khans ancient harem we all know shed be in the time machine so fast her makeup would run.
    The gashes despise weak men and abhor peace in the same measure they love violence and strife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    ...the entire notion of Marriage and even male/female dating as we know it will be as quaint as a SuperNintendo game console.

    What say you all?
    Madness! I still play my Super Nintendo game console as do many other people. Have you SEEN the price of Super Nintendo games lately? Yikes!

    How dare you compare something wholesome and innocent as the Super Nintendo to modern women. It's like comparing a cute puppy to a snarling hyena!

    My Super Nintendo is more fun than modern women. It is still more fun than most game consoles actually. If you're going to use a gaming metaphor, use a terrible game console such as the N-gage. That one is more like a relationship to modern women!

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    Re: Why Relationships Will be Obsolete.

    Is there any aspect of Western civilisation that's not been set on fire?

    Sorely tempted to GTFO and seek contentment elsewhere (like Asia).

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    Re: Why Relationships Will be Obsolete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    The gashes despise weak men and abhor peace in the same measure they love violence and strife.
    Dam thats poetic...

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    Unlikely scenario. 1. Women have always and will always need men more than men need women (actually men need nothing but sex from women). You're assuming women need men only for money and status. This is false. Women need men for all kinds of things: true affection (which they won't get from their grrrrrrrrrrlfrans), validation, resources and attention. You're assuming the 80% of the "bottom males" are completely irrelevant, but who's gonna help her get over that Chad Thundercock if not the nice beta guy who's secretly in love with her? Women and their solipsism effectively blocks themselves from truly connecting to each other; not that it would be different in the male-female relationship, but a male human (I won't call that thing a man) is more inclined to listen to her feelz more closely than her grrrrrrrrrlfrans who will just regurgitate standard phrases such as "he's a jerk and will regret dumping you" "you go grrrrrl" etc. This makes her feelz go into positive overdrive and provides her with some much needed balance in regards to humping that ex-con Alpha hunk.
    2. It's not women who will withdraw more and more, it's men. With the advance of virtual reality, sexbots and feminism/gynocentric narrative, more and more men will opt out of the sexual market completely (i.e. level 5 MGTOW), leaving the strong, independent wymyn confused and desperate. This might actually lead to some women wanting to return to classic values such as true femininity, submissive behaviour, kindness and learning household skills such as cooking.
    3. Your scenario involves further and further oppression of men, at some point even the "Alphas" who have profited from the sexual revolution, sales from feminist products and so on will realize that it is in their own interest to stop this development. Trump kind of comes to mind here, though I don't know much about the guy. Even if the Alphas still just go about their own shit, at some point even the biggest beta/omega male will snap and go postal. Rape and murder will become much more frequent and the strong, independent wymyn will realize that their safety is 100% reliant on the men they have chosen to shit on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    Unlikely scenario. 1. Women have always and will always need men more than men need women (actually men need nothing but sex from women). You're assuming women need men only for money and status. This is false. Women need men for all kinds of things: true affection (which they won't get from their grrrrrrrrrrlfrans), validation, resources and attention. You're assuming the 80% of the "bottom males" are completely irrelevant, but who's gonna help her get over that Chad Thundercock if not the nice beta guy who's secretly in love with her? Women and their solipsism effectively blocks themselves from truly connecting to each other; not that it would be different in the male-female relationship, but a male human (I won't call that thing a man) is more inclined to listen to her feelz more closely than her grrrrrrrrrlfrans who will just regurgitate standard phrases such as "he's a jerk and will regret dumping you" "you go grrrrrl" etc. This makes her feelz go into positive overdrive and provides her with some much needed balance in regards to humping that ex-con Alpha hunk.
    2. It's not women who will withdraw more and more, it's men. With the advance of virtual reality, sexbots and feminism/gynocentric narrative, more and more men will opt out of the sexual market completely (i.e. level 5 MGTOW), leaving the strong, independent wymyn confused and desperate. This might actually lead to some women wanting to return to classic values such as true femininity, submissive behaviour, kindness and learning household skills such as cooking.
    3. Your scenario involves further and further oppression of men, at some point even the "Alphas" who have profited from the sexual revolution, sales from feminist products and so on will realize that it is in their own interest to stop this development. Trump kind of comes to mind here, though I don't know much about the guy. Even if the Alphas still just go about their own shit, at some point even the biggest beta/omega male will snap and go postal. Rape and murder will become much more frequent and the strong, independent wymyn will realize that their safety is 100% reliant on the men they have chosen to shit on.
    Interesting and well written theory.

    About the 2nd part: Even if women try the "nice woman" behaviour will men listen to them? After all the cruelest thing we can do to them is leaving themselves to eachother, to slowly rip eachother apart one by one. I would watch this, to see them blame eachother why men left, whose fault is it etc. What is your opinion about this?

    About the 3rd part: Do you think that the alphas won't just simply dismiss this as some weird people acting out?

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    Re: Why Relationships Will be Obsolete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fenrir View Post
    Interesting and well written theory.

    About the 2nd part: Even if women try the "nice woman" behaviour will men listen to them? After all the cruelest thing we can do to them is leaving themselves to eachother, to slowly rip eachother apart one by one. I would watch this, to see them blame eachother why men left, whose fault is it etc. What is your opinion about this?

    About the 3rd part: Do you think that the alphas won't just simply dismiss this as some weird people acting out?
    It's impossible for me to guess how men will react. But generally it depends on how hard women bite the hand that feeds them, no? Personally I don't hate women or see them all that negatively, but I certainly don't respect them. Other men who have gone through the divorce-rape hell, who have lost their kids to an entitled cunt will see the situation differently. Some may accept the redpill view and expect nothing more, nothing less from women than for them to act like women.
    I think the "ripping each other apart" is slowly starting to happen. Already there are women who want to return to traditional ways of life, who consider themselves anti-feminists and who openly criticize the feminist movement and its members. But that is still a relatively unimportant minority. The way I see it, the only way to overcome feminism is if that anti-feminism movement gains a lot more female members and support. Naturally men play a role in this as well, but as we all know the female mind is like a hive and unless that hive collectively renounces feminism, nothing's going to change in the way modern women act.
    The Alphas might do something like that. Ultimately the IDGAF attitude is a big part of being alpha. Many people make the mistake to see alphas as benevolent leaders. This is false. The iceman is as much an alpha as the corporate CEO, okay maybe more of a sigma since he wasn't much of a leader, but all of his other behaviour is certainly not "beta". People saying sociopaths aren't alpha is just the "not a true scotsman fallacy", bending the alpha concept to their will. I'm not saying an alpha cannot be kind or behave morally, but it certainly is not a necessity. Going from there, will the Alphas care about what happens to the Omegas or Betas? Probably only if they're affected themselves. I think they will be affected and that's why they will care. Single moms wouldn't be able to exist weren't it for an ever extending welfare state. This is financed EXACTLY by those Betas/Omegas, who at some point will ask themselves what they get out of all that shit. And then they may very well just work as much as they need to sustain themselves. And this may very well happen on a large scale. It begins with opting out of marriage and it will end with Betas/Omegas opting out of corporate careers. Where will the Alphas recruit their worker drones then?
    Edit: I've done a presentation about the future of logistics, which included a video about possible future scenarios. One of the scenarios illustrated a futured in which production becomes individualized because 3D Printers become affordable, basically allowing a lot of people to run their own factories. This might not be negative for the economy, but it will certainly upset the social power structures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    The feminists? They'll be living the dream : what we guys call "post-civilization collapse" they'd call "gina tingling paradise". Those same empowered women who espouse feminism would be sucking some warlords cock with a big azz smile ......
    The gashes despise weak men and abhor peace in the same measure they love violence and strife.
    The good looking will be lined up outside the officers' and khan's tents. The ugly [which is most of them] will be camp whores. Camp whores' lives were fucking BRUTAL.

    Beta guys are going to die by the millions. T00009 is right. It'll be ugly in a collapse.

    But days? The financials will come apart in 30 minutes with modern ATM / electronic money velocity.
    Cheap civilization insurance men: 5 gallon bucket + 20 pounds of rice + 5 pounds pinto beans X your comfort level. Cheap and put it in the corner.
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    Re: Why Relationships Will be Obsolete.

    "Cheap civilization insurance men: 5 gallon bucket + 20 pounds of rice + 5 pounds pinto beans X your comfort level. Cheap and put it in the corner."

    Rice, beans and water. And a few weapons so that you can keep them, of course.

    All it takes is one guy with a gun and he's the guy with all the rice and beans.

    Oh wait, guy with the gun encounters five guys with guns. Safety in numbers - gangs will form. Humans work better, and survive better, in groups. It goes against the main grain of MGTOW philosophy, but an army of one is not the most efficient. You do everything yourself, and you can't delegate or specialize and there is no time-out for illness or injury. In groups, the hunters and fighters can arm the cannons, farmers can tend to fields, mechanics can fix the vehicles, children can scavenge or steal - and even carry out some basic espionage and surveillance duties. A member of a gang can heal up for weeks or even months with the support of the tribe, if he's that much of a valued member. An injured survivalist might not even make it through the night going solo. He can't hunt for food, gather firewood, get fresh water... he has to heal up before his reserves are depleted or it's game over.

    If I was running a growing survival group, new members would need to bring more material and human resources (skills) than they would consume. A woman with two sick aging parents and three kids would not bring much to the village, unless they were bringing with them a vehicle, firearms, ammunition, or a large store of gasoline, water or food. Without that, they're just a liability. I hope to drive past a few gender studies professors in this manner, and wave buh-bye as I go.

    Talk about survival post apocalypse is very brutal. It's about math and numbers and not about mercy and compassion.

    The time for mercy and compassion will have long since been over.

    The merciful and compassionate and helpful beta male was ridiculed and mocked.

    When economies fall, women will be well advised to get with the best armed and best trained men they can find. If such men will have them...
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
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