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    Questions for Ghosts

    So I haven’t made many posts outside of my intro and some replies to introductions, but I figure I’ll ask my fellow ghosts about their experiences, structured in no particular order.

    I. Other People
    I know (read: think) MGTOW is about not defining yourself through women, and by extension Ghosting is not defining yourself through any social imperatives or pressures. So I ask, what have been your experiences with other people since making a conscious decision to go MGTOW? How about Ghosting in particular? Do you engage with other people regularly, or have you gone completely ghost on even friendship? Do you keep online contacts through gaming, or close friends from earlier in life? Personally, I do the latter, and the occasional lunch with coworkers.

    II. Yourself
    I realise now that my transition to a ghost’s life is not complete, since this is the second heading I’ve made, and to a ghost, they are their sole and primary commitment. I can change this as I type it with a simple copy-paste, but to me that would seem like professing to know something I do not. Now the actual questions: What are your hobbies/pursuits/goals? To what extent have you noticed a change in your progress and attainment in these endeavours since your “evolution” (if I may be so presumptuous) to MGTOW/ghosting? As a follow up, if you started MGTOW and went ghost, what additional differences have you seen between those states?

    III. Finance
    Here’s a pretty big one for me, since I’m 22 and in the rat race. How important to you are your own material conditions? Without delving to an extent you’re uncomfortable, would you say you are doing well (can be as simple as your federal tax bracket)? What financial assets would you consider to be the most valuable, assets not necessarily meaning physical items, but investments, CD’s, 401k and other things of the like? Do you make all of your money through wages, or do you generate passive income through property or investment? Do you own your own business (follow ups will be more specifically tuned)? Do you own or have plans to own a home/condo? Why or why not? Would college be recommended for someone of slightly above average intelligence (take my word, ofc everyone thinks the same thing of their intelligence lol), if they could go without any debt (4-6 years) or with a minimum (masters or PhD level)?

    IV. Personal
    How do you feel you best serve yourself, positive or negative self-reinforcement? To what extent (a percentage would do) would you say the issues in your life are either self-inflicted or unavoidable? Would you say you have reached a satisfactory level of attainment for your goals? If not, why? Finally, for what reason did you begin ghosting, and how satisfied would you say you are with having made that choice?

    I know it’s a lot, but if failure is the mother of success, then the lived experience of others is the older brother, and I’d like to ask you brothers to contribute what you can. I’ll be happy to answer questions in return.

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    Re: Questions for Ghosts

    I found this in moderation bucket and am bumping it to be seen.
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    Re: Questions for Ghosts

    1. Ghost

    My "ghosting" is directed at any and all "intimate" relationshits with women. I'm well rounded and personable with everyone regardless of sex, creed, or color. Once a woman makes any hint of a relationshit I ghost! My position is not up to debate, modification, or change, I'm cemented solid in my decision to remain single and free.

    2. Aspirations, hobbies, and the necessity to remain single.

    I educate myself in all things that spark my interest or are a necessity to the task at hand. My hobbies are multiple that include auto and motorcycle restorations, construction, RC aircraft, AME Skiing, fertilizer mixing and developing, and few other things. Relationships are too much a drain on my mental, physical, and financial resources, and that's on a good day!

    3. Financial, ups and downs.
    Being self sufficient, self employed, self responsible, life's road has had many twists, turns, ups, and downs. The only purpose modern women have is to latch on during prosperous times then discard during any troubling times, they're dead weight that only tosses me about and causes havoc all the time, they're disruptive to the path on my life's journey, they cause unnecessary hardships, misery, and suffering.

    4. I took off like a fucking skyrocket the day I cut women out of my life! I would likely have committed suicide had I stayed on the plantation. I was like a slave that decided to RUN and NEVER LOOKED BACK!
    I found modern women are a disease to my spirit! A sickness to my health! Mental thorns to my mind! Keep em! I don't want them!
    When the law becomes so corrupt that nobody dare question it (in fear of reprisal), there tyranny has spawned and seeks to devour endlessly and relentlessly.MGTOW: Escaping and evading the jaws of injustice and tyranny, choosing liberty instead of a perilous death march through living hell!

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    Re: Questions for Ghosts

    Excellent questions!

    1) As for other people, I have learned that the best thing is to set boundaries. Information is social power. Be the blank page in social settings. The less they know, the better. It can get awkward when others share information and expect reciprocation. The best response in lieu of sharing is to ask follow up questions to their information. Flattery can make people forgetful that do not know anything about you.

    In case of interrogation, you have a few options. Humility goes a long way to confounding the inquisitors: in this age of personal aggrandizement, they do not know how interpret it. If the inquisitors prove aggressive, you can tell them that information will not shared in this setting as it is not relevant. If they are offended (and you are feeling kind) you can explain your position on boundaries. This will get the rumor mill going, but as a ghost you are not bothered by that crap.

    2) With regards to myself, I have a different view on ghosting. I see ghosting as not leaving society completely, but rather limiting how society impacts my personal life: I go my own way. I will not abrogate responsibility to my family or true friends (which is an astonishing small number.) I do my best to honor and respect myself. This means choosing how I interact with society and what I value. Ghosting has allowed me to distance myself from society to discover what I truly need, want and value. This is the real value in ghosting.

    The greatest benefit I have received from ghosting is a sense of tranquility, security and joy. By distancing myself from society, I am no longer exposed to the mass-insecurity that is meant to make one anxious to improve their personal lot. Here is a little experiment for you: go one week without a single mainstream media news source, social media and all forms of gossip. Go cold turkey. You will be amazed at how nervous you are that you might be missing something. Towards the end of the week, you will realize that you are not missing anything of importance. You will hear people talk about issues that have very little to do with them, or are things that they can do very little about. You will discover that the only thing you are really missing is anxiety that is purposely being caused by the mass media insecurity.

    As your tranquility increases, so will your sense of contentment and well being. With this will come a clear recognition of how few your needs are and how easily they can be met. However, these states of being are detrimental to a consumer society that depends on anxious consumption. And that is where my personal joy comes in: I do get a kick out of being a subversive element.

    So, for my hobbies and interests, I enjoy: self-sufficiency, minimalism, outdoor activities, crafts and skills. Ghosting gives one the freedom to go deeply in whatever direction suits your fancy. Freed from the pointless social standing competition, you are free to invest in yourself, which brings me to the third point.

    3) Paper investments are nice when others believe that paper investments have value. When that belief fails, then all you have is toilet paper, which will be in short supply anyway. Invest in yourself. Seek education in applicable skills, find places and venues that will let you have unique experiences. When you can take care of yourself in nearly every circumstance, you will have real freedom.

    4) As you may have guessed by now, everything mentioned above is about personal development, not the social indoctrination of engineered values that everyone receives in their youth. I have found that Stoicism is a most conducive philosophy for my ghosting efforts. I will not launch into a explanation of why, but I would encourage you to read up on Stoicism yourself. (See point 3.) I believe it will answer most of section 4.

    I started ghosting for one simple reason. Once I realized that I was being trained to be nothing more than an exploitable resource, I started searching for reasons. The only reason I found that explained the exploitation was brutal: solely for the benefit of others. I had no value, voice or agency in this society. Withdrawing was the only viable counter. Complete withdrawal is possible, but I do not want to go completely off grid yet. There are still some things to learn. But I will never willingly contribute to a society that damns me for being an individual of personal value.

    And that is why I go my own way.

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    Re: Questions for Ghosts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boar View Post
    4) As you may have guessed by now, everything mentioned above is about personal development, not the social indoctrination of engineered values that everyone receives in their youth. I have found that Stoicism is a most conducive philosophy for my ghosting efforts. I will not launch into a explanation of why, but I would encourage you to read up on Stoicism yourself. (See point 3.) I believe it will answer most of section 4.

    I started ghosting for one simple reason. Once I realized that I was being trained to be nothing more than an exploitable resource, I started searching for reasons. The only reason I found that explained the exploitation was brutal: solely for the benefit of others. I had no value, voice or agency in this society. Withdrawing was the only viable counter. Complete withdrawal is possible, but I do not want to go completely off grid yet. There are still some things to learn. But I will never willingly contribute to a society that damns me for being an individual of personal value.

    And that is why I go my own way.
    I have a copy of The Meditations that I haven’t finished for all the things I fooled myself into thinking were of the utmost importance. I just deleted Instagram, which was the last holdout after having deleted all of my other digital footprints. I do agree with your points on social media and news being designed to have us engage pointlessly with things that have little to do with us.

    My reason for the financial questions is essentially geared toward freeing my time sufficiently enough to deal with me and my own goals, rather than having my energy extracted by a labour-hungry machine. The old adage of “chasing your dreams or working toward someone else’s” has never rang truer in my ears. I do suppose some minimalism is in order, so I can better serve myself after having reduced the amount of complexities I “need” to deal with.

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    Re: Questions for Ghosts

    As a blue collar puke you have some choice over what sort of gig you want, and how much effort it may take to accomplish that job. But once you accept the position your accepting whatever responsibility's and freedoms that come with il. Some jobs require you to work overtime, while other employers don't offer any at all. If your thinking about working less somewhere down the road you need to pick your career carefully. Most jobs worth a damn want you to be there at least 40 hours a week. Not many employees are keen on less either. Anyway, a part time gig might not be that easy for a lot a jobs.

    Having never been married, I should be rolling in dough. I'm doing ok, but not that great. You can still piss off a lot of money, rather you got a woman helping or not. My observation is those who have more money don't always spend it wisely.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    Re: Questions for Ghosts

    You're still young and really only starting out in life (I'm in my 50's).

    While some of the questions you're asking about are obviously important e.g. finance, most of the questions you ask seem to be about finding a direction for yourself.

    Ghosting to me isn't about cutting yourself off from society altogether, it's more about finding a way that's right for you. I have a number of friends both male and female, I watch t.v., keep up on current events (sort of). But I also enjoy my time on my own. It not only gives me time to reflect, but also allows me to escape the total bullshit I see everywhere around me.

    While ghosting means that you have seen women to be the manipulative beings that they are and are rejecting them for that reason, it's also more than that.

    Over the years I've been involved in many debates, some heated, about things that are covered by the media. Everyone has an opinion, myself included. But most of these things, even if they seem important at the time are forgotten within a week. This is the nature both of the media and humans in general. We love to get overexcited about things that are beyond our control because it detracts and distracts us from our own problems and insecurities.

    The most important thing to remember is that these are things that are beyond our control, so why get upset about them?

    Going Your Own Way is just that - Recognising that most of what is going on around you is either unimportant or beyond your control. Once you see this it becomes easier to focus on the things that really matter in life - self improvement through education, career, hobbies.

    The world out there wants to guide you and mould you.

    Going ghost is about realising these basic truths and the only important thing that matters is what you think.

    Don't look to others for confirmation. If you're here you already know that something is wrong with the world.
    Trust yourself and your instincts. Don't let anyone tell you what to do, unless he's your boss and pays you for the privilege.

    Again, you are young. Accept the fact that you will make mistakes and some of them will hurt. But hopefully now that you are becoming aware of the nightmare that relationships bring, you will not allow your natural urge to be with women, or a woman, distract you from that which you know to be true.

    It's difficult to be confident when everything around you is telling you you are wrong. But you're not wrong, you know this, trust yourself and most of all - Be Happy.
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    I. Other People
    So I ask, what have been your experiences with other people since making a conscious decision to go MGTOW?

    I've never called myself MGTOW by name but I've shared a lot of MGTOW content on social media, under my real name, indicating I support the idea. My own personal feeling is that going MGTOW is the first step every gay guy takes on his way out of the closet. Why wouldn't it be? Not to call all MGTOWs gay, quite the opposite. I think all gay men are MGTOW at heart but they just refuse to see it that way because of social conditioning. (I also think eventually they'll come around as they find themselves forced out of their safe spaces by people who don't consider gay men sufficiently "oppressed" anymore.)


    How about Ghosting in particular?
    That's a different story. I'm a ghost in my personal life but my job makes it necessary to be quite public. I do community outreach in the health insurance field. My past experience being a dj gives me the confidence and the guts to be able to speak publicly and to deal with crowds enough to do my job. But once I punch the clock, I go ghost. I don't see or talk to anyone unless I choose to. In fact I schedule myself one 'antisocial day' per week where I see and talk to no one, or to as few people as possible. I don't leave the house, I don't call anyone, and I don't have anyone over. I have zero human contact and this allows me to recharge and relax enough for another week of working with people. It's a system that works for me.


    Do you engage with other people regularly, or have you gone completely ghost on even friendship?
    I'm backing away from a lot of people I used to be close to, and that includes family. The only people left in my immediate family are women and the men who married them. I feel outnumbered and they've given me plenty of reason to feel that way. I have a pretty solitary lifestyle the older I get. I live in the middle of my city's nightclub district so there's activity right outside my front door if that's what I want. Otherwise I have the luxury of being left alone.


    Do you keep online contacts through gaming, or close friends from earlier in life?
    Yup, here I am! Facebook was my connection to everything and everyone I wasn't seeing in person, but this past spring I ditched Facebook and only keep in touch with people through the Messenger app. Turns out you can keep that active even if you deactivate your FB account. Cool! Everyone I'm friends with can still contact me that way if need be. And to replace the cacophony of social media I've turned lately to more focused forums like this.


    II. Yourself
    What are your hobbies/pursuits/goals?

    I transitioned away from djing because the hustle took away from the joy of my overall experience working with music. I started off as a producer/composer and my music career, as such, started online before I was ever "discovered" locally. That's what I want to go back to. That is a work in process which I've learned the hard way not to rush.


    To what extent have you noticed a change in your progress and attainment in these endeavours since your “evolution” (if I may be so presumptuous) to MGTOW/ghosting?
    I got serious about music during a prior episode of ghosting back around 2003. I locked myself in my apartment and taught myself to digitally write and publish music. That's the time I learned that ghosting is a VALUABLE tool for self-development. Being left alone to concentrate is a luxury most men don't see as such until they've lost it and gained it back again.


    As a follow up, if you started MGTOW and went ghost, what additional differences have you seen between those states?
    Going ghost definitely means going MGTOW but going MGTOW doesn't necessarily mean going ghost. That's my immediate off-the-cuff analysis of it, I have nothing but my own anecdotal experience to back that up.


    III. Finance
    How important to you are your own material conditions?

    A divorce is a divorce and a breakup is a breakup. When my last relationship ended, I was the one who had to leave because my ex owned the house. So I skidded sideways into a cheap apartment in a bad section and dipped into my retirement to stay afloat, seriously damaging my retirement prospects. That was a few years ago and now I'm back on both feet and working on the retirement situation. My lesson: no more live-in partners! That experience happened to me twice actually, both of what I would consider my only serious long-term relationships. The fact my partner in both cases was the same sex as me is the reason I grapple with the idea of whether I fit in with the MGTOW community 100%. Maybe 90 or 95%. But I digress...my material conditions are super-important to me today because I had to work hard to get back to a good place and don't want to make any more mistakes. I think all MGTOW can relate to that.


    Without delving to an extent you’re uncomfortable, would you say you are doing well (can be as simple as your federal tax bracket)?
    I'm able to live within my means.


    What financial assets would you consider to be the most valuable, assets not necessarily meaning physical items, but investments, CD’s, 401k and other things of the like?
    Any and all are valuable. But even more valuable is one's ability to generate income. Potential to work is the most important asset of all.


    Do you make all of your money through wages, or do you generate passive income through property or investment? Do you own your own business (follow ups will be more specifically tuned)?
    I have a job and I make a little on the side occasionally with my music.


    Do you own or have plans to own a home/condo? Why or why not?
    I'd love to own a condo! Right now I have pretty a good rental situation so I stay put for now. If the opportunity to buy ever came up, I'd have to consider it at that time. Key is that I'd have to be able to afford it on my own.


    Would college be recommended for someone of slightly above average intelligence (take my word, ofc everyone thinks the same thing of their intelligence lol), if they could go without any debt (4-6 years) or with a minimum (masters or PhD level)?
    Sure!


    IV. Personal
    How do you feel you best serve yourself, positive or negative self-reinforcement?

    I cherish the space I create for myself within my four walls - and between my ears.


    To what extent (a percentage would do) would you say the issues in your life are either self-inflicted or unavoidable?
    Moving in with someone proved to be a mistake. Times were fun...until they weren't. And then getting out was no picnic either. Self-inflicted probably 75% of the time in aggregate if I had to guess.


    Would you say you have reached a satisfactory level of attainment for your goals? If not, why?
    Yes. I've done all the cool shit I ever set my mind to. Now, in middle age, I need to set new goals for an older and wiser version of me.


    Finally, for what reason did you begin ghosting, and how satisfied would you say you are with having made that choice?
    The first time I ghosted back in the early 2000s was right after my first breakup and move-out. I was broke, plus my ex took all our friends and left me socially isolated, plus I was so focused and busy with my music that I wasn't feeling any sense of loss over it. This time, I realized that the friends I was surrounding myself with were very superficial and blue-pilled to death. Not that this term even existed at that time; I first started weeding out friends 11 years ago during Obama's first run. Folks started getting stupid that long ago as far as I'm concerned. A lot of people consider the 2016 election to be a great turning point. My turning point was already years-ago by then.
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    Re: Questions for Ghosts

    Hey guys, I've just re-read the O.P.s post and I'm a little curious.

    The guy is young and as such has many questions as did we all. But these questions seem to be incredibly varied; they also seem to be very precise, so I'm beginning to think maybe work for a college paper, or maybe an infiltrator, or even a reporter.

    I know I'm new here myself, but something about this just seems off.

    EDIT:

    I've just re-read his intro and I have to say it seems legit, well as far as a newbie can tell, but something still seems off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Hey guys, I've just re-read the O.P.s post and I'm a little curious.

    The guy is young and as such has many questions as did we all. But these questions seem to be incredibly varied; they also seem to be very precise, so I'm beginning to think maybe work for a college paper, or maybe an infiltrator, or even a reporter.

    I know I'm new here myself, but something about this just seems off.

    EDIT:

    I've just re-read his intro and I have to say it seems legit, well as far as a newbie can tell, but something still seems off?
    It can be tough to say. I agree his questions are specific, but we do not know how much time he spent editing and refining his post. Even with posting an intro, newbies still face a higher level of scrutiny so he may be trying to avoid any suspicion. Granted, this is the same thing an infiltrator would do. I prefer to err on the side of being open and welcoming. We can always ban a disruptive poster later.

    That being said, if we have been trolled for information or an article, so what? The value in the thread is not the original questions, it is the quality of the answers. And I think those answers have have shown that ghosts are not incels or socially awkward but act deliberately and rationally to maintain their sovereignty in a toxic environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    but something about this just seems off.
    The Profile tab "About me" is public info and his states "Re-enrolling in college to pursue entrepreneurial aspirations" and that his occupation is "QC tech" so maybe that suggests to explain his detailed inquisitiveness?

    Each of his four Sections have multiple questions. I know I have asked multiple questions in place of a single question whenever I think it will help bring me a better answer than would a single question. Maybe he is doing that, too.

    However, my personal loquaciousness is a double-edged sword. Some folks run with it, honoring the detail, while I'm sure others think it's too much work so they give me the shorter answers that they give. Ya throw out a net and see what ya catch. That's how I viewed his OP.

    But, as always, if you as a member notice something, thank you for speaking up. Newbies should not be offended by this as our Principles explain that newbies are on a shorter leash, as Boar wrote:

    Even with posting an intro, newbies still face a higher level of scrutiny so he may be trying to avoid any suspicion.
    Isn't there some kind of internet law or truism that says the more detail you request, the less you get?
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    Re: Questions for Ghosts

    Hey guys, I've just re-read the O.P.s post and I'm a little curious.

    The guy is young and as such has many questions as did we all. But these questions seem to be incredibly varied; they also seem to be very precise, so I'm beginning to think maybe work for a college paper, or maybe an infiltrator, or even a reporter.

    I know I'm new here myself, but something about this just seems off.

    EDIT:

    I've just re-read his intro and I have to say it seems legit, well as far as a newbie can tell, but something still seems off?
    There is something very Myspace-ish about it, yes. I just went with it. All in good fun.

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    Re: Questions for Ghosts

    To Mr. Death.

    When I initially read your post, I thought nothing untoward about it, I even posted a response.

    Life has taught me though to be wary of anyone asking a lot of questions. In real life you have ways of sussing out the other’s agenda such as body language and tone of voice. With the written word it’s a little more complicated and often it depends on the readers own mood at the time as to how it is interpreted.

    I always had a curious nature and rarely accept anything I hear without a large dollop of speculation – it’s simply my way.

    I am fairly new here myself and wanted to ask the views of people with more experience, which they duly gave. I respect these observations.

    So, if my question caused you any undue concern, please accept my apologies.


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