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    Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    it led to depression.

    most people I met did not have the amount of work add up to the results.


    many wings flaked and acted like the girls who they were pursueing


    Let me know what you think about the community and what was your experience.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    I was lucky and never needed any lessons or 'tricks' to get girls in bed. Being tall, having big feet {needing big boots}, and a never-ending aura of self-confidence paid off enough where i didnt have to go the route of PUA lessons and game playing to get a girl. I'm sure the fact that i was usually drunk and playing in bands helped, but it must really boil down to looks for women - just like with men.. as humans, we are all shallow creatures... but i digress.

    I think alot of us have gone through the 'discouragement' stage when it comes to dating, and rightly so. My brother goes through this constantly, as he has more hope {or determination} to find a mate than I. It's understandable given the amount of rejection for regular guys in current year. Ugly women turn their noses up at me these days {not that i'm pursuing them in the first place, mind you}, and i dont look much different than i did 20 yrs ago.. so that tells me they're expecting far more than just tall and handsome now.

    Now that i think about it a little more, with all this 'punch a nazi' shit going around they probably assume i'm evil because of the white skin and the shaved head.. oh yeah, and of course that dirty, evil penis

    So i'm probably the wrong guy to be responding to this thread, but i was also very discouraged after seeing the shit-show which is modern online dating {as is my brother every few months}. As for the pick up community i am at a loss. Maybe someone else will chime in about that.

    Remember always that your life is worth more than some chick or relationship. Oh, and from the legendary Spock:

    "After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."
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    You can't be king of the world if you're slave to the vag.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    All the PUA skills in the world will not help an ugly guy. Women don't want a short fat bold guy. Women don't want a guy with two heads. Unless you are a guy with money. Then yes, they will marry you. As this video shows so clearly.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UbBu8YuS3E&t=0m15s

    PUA is for the good looking guy that needs a gentle push the the right direction. There are many bookish guys who do not go out because of whatever reason. PUA material will tell the guy, lose weight, get nice clothes, nice car, latest hair cut. Walk with confidence, act like an alpha male so on and so on. The PUA material fills the guys head with cocky confidence that makes him fearless in approaching a woman. When in reality, he is so good looking that all he really need was to show up.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    PUA is for the good looking guy that needs a gentle push the the right direction.
    In that sense the PUA community did work for me, but I understand the OP as well. The journey can be full of rejection. The community is full of flakey wings, bad advice, people who lie about their success with girls just to get credits in the community, coaches who are in it just for the money, etc. In the end I really just missed an end goal. Yeah I could get lucky now, but why should you continue to "sarge" if you don't enjoy the end result enough to keep going? That's when I quit.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    OP - there is a requirement to write an intro before posting freely; it's a matter of courtesy.
    Where is your Intro?
    A gun-toting, weed-smoking, gray-bearded redneck with a Masters - old and dangerous.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    Donklu,

    Please make an introductory port. These are the rules here.
    Now on to your post.

    PUA is not going to solve your issues regarding women if you are an average guy. I am 5"7.
    With some Yoga, chiropractic sessions, and exercise, I can reach 5"8.
    But that isn't going to change much. Not enough for it to be a worthwhile endeavour. 'The juice isn't Worth the squeeze' if you will.

    Some may say, 'we'll you have to try anyway' but if you are an average Joe like me, then your salary is probably average as well. And human beings tend to think in terms of cost-benefit.

    Yes, I could lose weight, improve my posture thereby increasing my height, buy nicer clothes and work harder to get my own home/car and I could also develop more attractive characteristics, patience and 'gentlemanliness' which by the way some women still do appreciate in the modern gynocracy we live in.

    ....Haaaoooowwweeevveeerrr,
    Is all this hard work, effort and money worth it? Is it really worth dating 20/30 women and having 1/2 women like you, after having spent money on 3/4 dates averaging $100 or so? And after that, what is the likelihood those dates end up with sex?

    By that time you much better off finding other hobbies and relieving your sexual urges through masturbation.

    Yes, confidence and alignment with your desires for another women is a very attractive thing and it can garner results in the sexual/romantic sphere of life, but the rewards are so tiny that it is not even worth the effort.

    PUA'ing just increases the price of pussy. PUA'ing is simply another form of white knightery.
    The more men see women are as beneath them, the more the price of pussy tumbles, then that will make women chase after men and they will realise that their pussy isn't worth so much and has no power over men.

    Some may say, 'well you don't have to go on expensive dates'. If you aren't willing to go to expensive restaurants, or spend much on a date, that is your right!
    But even the very same women who say this, when they date a guy who is 'stingy' they say something along the lines of 'he isn't spontaneous' 'he doesn't treat me right' 'I deserve better' 'I'm getting bored with this relationship' and so on and so forth.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    The only circumstances and I mean only circumstances where an ugly, short man can have success with PUA techniques requires the following:

    1. Zero fucks given attitude
    2. Old school peacocking
    3. Abundance mentality

    Now here is the problem...if a man that is short and below average in the looks department it is likely they do not have high confidence or self esteem in the first place. So it is really the chicken vs egg argument in that is having a ZFG attitude inherent in men or something a man can build?

    For most men you either have it or don't when it comes to ZFG attitude. However, to build up ZFG requires a lot of time, effort, and numbers game.

    If you have studied the pick up community where they have short guys, average guys or outliers guys as part of their roster they rely on numbers game and peacocking which is old school PUA game.

    New PUA game is really just building social value which is a rebranding of old traditions of conservative patriarchal society as neo masculinity 2.0. Looks, money, dressing the part of high value, etc.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    Donklu, so that you understand, to post in this forum you are required to first post a proper Intro in the New Member Intros section. In that section, read the How to Intro sticky so that you can post a valid Intro. We all had to do one. If you continue to post without a valid Intro, a Moderator will be contacting you.
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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    short man can have success with PUA techniques requires the following:

    1. Zero fucks given attitude
    2. Old school peacocking
    3. Abundance mentality
    Not too sure about that sir.
    On several occasions, I have heard the words 'you're a nice guy, but you aren't very tall'. And these women are otherwise intelligent, decent and well educated women. So you can't exactly say, we'll they are just stupid and shallow.

    I sometimes wore insoles, just to experiement and the difference is night and day - nothing 'internal' changed (more confidence) etc.. the external changed and women changed their responses accordingly.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Not too sure about that sir.
    On several occasions, I have heard the words 'you're a nice guy, but you aren't very tall'. And these women are otherwise intelligent, decent and well educated women. So you can't exactly say, we'll they are just stupid and shallow.

    I sometimes wore insoles, just to experiement and the difference is night and day - nothing 'internal' changed (more confidence) etc.. the external changed and women changed their responses accordingly.
    Women change how they respond to you with or without facial hair too. But the way you interact is still just as important which is why a nice guy spiel from a woman indicates she sees you as a little bro and nothing more. I have heard the nice guy line regarding myself more times than I can count so usually I know it will take a lot of work and just bail as it is a numbers game.

    This is why changing who you are as a man to maximize success with women runs counter to my belief system. I rather be myself and enjoy the day than pretend to be someone else. Women seemingly are okay with pretending to be something else with physical changes like makeup, high heels as that is their sexual strategy. Not surprising old school and current PUA mirrors and copies female sexual strategy by advising men to change their physical looks like women do.

    However, what you will find is that with enough effort you can generate attraction with women that call you a nice guy or see you as too short. But it takes too much time when that same time frame you can be talking to women who do not see it that way. I rather be using that time making money or working on my hobbies to be honest. Time is too precious to be fighting the current when I prefer to go with the flow of life in a respected manner instead.

    So when you see cutups on youtube of PUA guys they show mostly the success and not the sheer numbers of approaches. Naturally and physically gifted men tend to not require as many approaches with women, but they still need numbers too.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    The whole idea of the PUA community is a waste of time. Just like Opaque has written, it is another form of white knighting (after all, PUAs are being fake to basically pander to/sell themselves out in pursuit of pussy). I'm trying to think of some useful nugget of wisdom to impart about the utter pointlessness and stupidity of PUArtistry but all that comes to mind is "why bother"?

    Its understandable if a guy is desperate for some poontang but, again, like Opaque has pointed out, just choke the chicken and that takes care of that urge. No need for dating/moneytime-wasting/STD/pregnancy... blah blah etc. etc. worries of any kind.

    Even that urge will start to diminish if you do some Patikulamanasikara contemplation (Buddhist for "reflections on repulsiveness" of the body). I haven't got any stats but I can hazard a guess that most PUAs are disgruntled in to the MGTOW mindset eventually.

    However, for some men, the pull of poontang is just too much...

    Oh well.
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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    The PUAs have been labeled as another form of white knighting many times which is not surprising that PUAs have shifted the focus to self improvement. But the self improvement push is also based on reality and that is a lot of young men come from single mother homes. So, the PUA community is tapping into a community of young men for PUA and self improvement which translates into a mega business industry.

    But a lot of these young men fail to realize they don't need to hand over money to a PUA or a shrink to solve their problems. Their problems can be solved with internal belief of what they want to be at their core. And this core realization will generate a resonance that can not be dimissed.

    However, a lot of these young men are stuck in this loop of PUA--->self improvement---->PUA---->self improvement, etc because they don't know any better. No one has told them they can walk away from all that bullshit and do what they want.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    What made MGTOW attractive for me in the first place, was that MGTOW men pursue truth.
    It wasn't about seeing the world through rose tinted glasses, but about the cold hard truth, one which doesn't make you fatalistic about life, but at the same time doesn't give you false hope.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    I fucked a couple hundred women when I was in my 30s, out partying, drinking, drugging, doing crazy shit (like fucking strange girls in parking lots, cemeteries and bar bathrooms). When I quit that lifestyle, at around 40, the women dried up for me. Now, at 43, I have absolutely no PUA game whatsoever, and I'm kinda glad. People have changed, for the worse. Social media has ruined a LOT of people for me. I would MUCH rather chill out at home by myself or go on long bike rides these days, instead of dealing with jive turkeys all the time. No thank you sir.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    outright paradox....
    I've read some stuff about PUA..... wish I hadn't..
    they all say "just be confident"...
    well, you need confidence to get dating experience.... but you need the experience to get the confidence to start with...

    doublethink, anyone??
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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    Quote Originally Posted by musics View Post
    I fucked a couple hundred women when I was in my 30s, out partying, drinking, drugging, doing crazy shit (like fucking strange girls in parking lots, cemeteries and bar bathrooms). When I quit that lifestyle, at around 40, the women dried up for me. Now, at 43, I have absolutely no PUA game whatsoever, and I'm kinda glad. People have changed, for the worse. Social media has ruined a LOT of people for me. I would MUCH rather chill out at home by myself or go on long bike rides these days, instead of dealing with jive turkeys all the time. No thank you sir.
    Nothing wrong with the ghostly life. I find that it is more peaceful and I can accomplish way more in a single day than spending a day doing day or night game. The reward of day or night game obviously is building social awareness and social competence. However, you don't need to do that as a man if you already have that social competence and are applying this in your career or job.

    Welcome and I hope you have time for an intro in the intro section.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji View Post
    outright paradox....
    I've read some stuff about PUA..... wish I hadn't..
    they all say "just be confident"...
    well, you need confidence to get dating experience.... but you need the experience to get the confidence to start with...

    doublethink, anyone??
    Yes that is the biggest hurdle...not caring (outcome independence) and confidence. But without that experience having a ZFG mindset and confidence is difficult if it isn't natural to you.

    Since I am a ghost the not caring and having a ZFG aloof attitude is pretty easy for me.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    The key is getting women to pick you up

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    Depends on the attractiveness of the women, you're seeking. Start dating women below your league, will boost your confidence, or just say screw it, and approach them all. Embrace defeat will boost your confidence

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    It's cheaper and safer to go to escorts than fuck the average, street skank. That and if you go to high class escorts, than you've slept with some of the hottest women around and that may be a means to deal with one's confidence issues.

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    Re: Being a pick up artist did not work for me

    Quote Originally Posted by Donklu View Post
    it led to depression.

    most people I met did not have the amount of work add up to the results.


    many wings flaked and acted like the girls who they were pursueing


    Let me know what you think about the community and what was your experience.
    Men are either supremely good at being smooth talkers with women, and holding conversations with them, or they're not. The main thing most overlook with "PUA" stuff is, it isn't so much about using techniques, but more about building confidence. Most men who get into learning that stuff lack confidence. Both in themselves, and in talking to women. Anxiety of approach (which shouldn't even be an issue since being burned by a female isn't a life or death situation in the first place) is a big factor. Generally these men have little to no experience with women in general. You may be able to improve it, but one will never be able to hang with someone who has it naturally and already is well developed. In my experience, men who are good with picking up women tend to have female siblings. They already understand how the mating game is played.


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