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    @ Malinois

    That is completely the smart way to play it. I drive a very used (10+ years old) well maintained compact sedan and won't be upgrading until it explodes. When I became debt free back in 08' I made the decision that freedom is the only way to live when it comes to making better financial decisions.

    The dead giveaway to making this happen is No wife/kid liabilities to drain the happiness funds.
    because even solitude is better than evil company.” - Bartolomeo Scala

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    It's not only the higher end material possessions that people are coerced into wanting but every day stuff. As an example: I remember years ago seeing a buddy of mine that I hadn't seen for a long time and he greeted me with a huge bear hug. Being that he is about a foot taller than I (sorry metric friends, I don't know the conversion) my face was firmly implanted in mid thorax. As it was a prolonged hug, I had to inhale at some point and I picked up an unfamiliar scent.
    It was NOT Drakkar Noir or English Leather or even Old Spice, but my friend's natural essence. It was not offensive at all and it was almost refreshing not to get a blast of some combination of aromatics.
    It was then that I asked myself, "Why do I wear deodorant?" I shower daily, I go from an air conditioned home to an air conditioned car to an air conditioned office. I am not a lumberjack or construction worker. When do I sweat? It was then that I stopped habitually putting deodorant on.
    I was conditioned by advertisers to believe that a person's natural scent should be avoided and it is best to cover it up. Another quick example is tooth whitening. Whatever happened to the days when you knew who the coffee drinkers and smokers were?
    Again, a market was created where there had never been one before and the tooth whiteners are making a fortune.
    So I took a good hard look at many of my habits and just stopped doing the ones that were costly and offered no real use.
    "When 'sin' becomes 'syndrome,' ethically inexcusable behavior is granted absolution and innocents suffer"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant View Post
    On reflection, the "buy more expensive and it is cheaper in the long run" , is probably one of the factors that separates the wealthy from the less wealthy. Poorer people end up paying more for the same thing.

    There is always the option of saving for things, but credit is so easily available and when you add interest into the equation, the effect is even worse. People who pay in cash get better deals. If I see a sofa on 0% credit, I always ask them what discount I'll get for cash.



    In the middle ages, it was royalty and the cult of the saints. In my view, we are heading back in that direction.
    Do you know that there is a law passed in the late 70s that requires stores which accept credit cards to give cash buyers a discount equal to the fee they would have had to pay the credit card processer?

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    Re: Material possessions and their worth

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    I'm a minimalist

    Sometimes to an extreme. After learning that lesson first hand, that a few here have been repeating, "More is less", I've been rolling with it...

    My current income is pretty low, maybe $1200 -$1600 a month. HOWEVER, I'm able to save money, eat out almost every day, and I have a Jeep, a car, a motorcycle, a pretty bad-ass dog, and I just got a fishing boat for my Dad...

    Not, trying to qualify myself as anyone here with my possesions. All of them are just liquid assets, besides Bubba...

    My studio apartment is very roomy. I'm a big dude and can't stand feeling crowded...So, I have one folding lawn chair in the living room next to Bubba's futon, which is next to his rug. Oh, and a garbage can next to the door...Pretty simple...Bedroom (which you have to walk through to get to the bathroom and kitchen) has a bed and another high quality folding lawn chair...Clean clothes in baskets or hanging up, dirty one's in a pile behind the door...Also, Bubba's TV is hooked up to my PS3 in front of that chair...

    No one bitches because no one is ever invited in. If they were, no doubt I would be obligated to take their old used up mismatched furniture because they would think I'm poor...

    But, my pile of cash is high enough that I could liquidate my petty vehicular assets, put Bubba into a 3 month mandated quarentine and buy small boat like BeijaFlor's on a dock somewhere in Hawaii...

    I'm always ready to pack it up and go...And, since there's no furniture, I can pretty much go at a moment's notice...yet, I'm comfortable enough as it is...

    Sure, I could buy some nice furniture, Bubba a bigger TV, and go get a 2015 Corvette car payment but, why? I don't plan on living here for the rest of my life and I sure as hell don't want to be owned by stuff or stuff payments...That stuff also attracts money grubbing bitches...

    When I discovered this way of life back in 2006, I haven't had any desire to keep up with no Jonses since...

    My clothes tell a different story...I'm sure they tell people that I have money, and that is intentional...Otherwise, no one would associate with me or employ me...I get sterotyped quite, I have fun with it...No one would think my apartment is as humble as it is...And, by dressing better than half of this town's population, it gives me just enough of an edge to blend in as someone with higher social standing as most of the blue-collars...Whereas I can go to a store and not be talked down, visit my family and be treated with respect, or even walking Bubba at one of his favorite park trails and not standing out as a suspect for something...Dressing well is something I like to spend my money on...It's worth every penny too since I buy durable clothes that even though they might cost a little more, they are comfortable, look good, and last...No trendy shit here either...

    If I bought that Corvette I wouldn't have to change my wordrobe...Same if I bought a Super Duty dually diesel...I don't want attention and I don't even like it...Women I meet are confused when they see my work-car after meeting me (Think 2004 Dodge Neon)...It's funny to me...Too many people judge not only others but, themselves by what the drive...

    My brother's naggy fat-ass wife thinks her shit don't stink because she has a brand new car...I laughed in her face when she called mine a piece of shit...She can't even afford half of the stuff I waste money on...All while her new purchase is depreciating, and she's making payments, mine have all been paid for with cash many moons ago...

    Her panties will surely twist into a knot when she sees where I'm at in two years...I'm just laying low for the time being...Watching options open up and very aware of that trap called "woman" out to ruin my life...
    I think this is a true measure of freedom! How many people think they could live on $1200 to $1600a month. But Malinois does it, and does it well. Being able to up and leave, because you want to not because you have to, is huge in my book! Good for you Brother.

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    On the more is less argument, I tried to tell a friend that is a true minimalist cheap bastard if there ever was one that owning only one pair of athletic shoes (his only shoes) was not the best way to go. He wears the same one pair of shoes every day until they rot off his feet, then buys another $20 pair at Payless. I tried to tell him that if he bought a second pair and let each one dry out for 24 hours before wearing again they would last more than twice as long. The high moisture tends to rot the threads and damage the material. Secondly, giving your shoes a chance to dry out is healthier, as you have less fungus growing in there. For the rest of us it also would have made his feet stink less.

    He told me he was not able to afford a second pair as he was not rich like me; he has a much lower income than I do. Now, a while back, he asked me to look into the financial arrangements his father had left him upon his death. He asked if I would act as the financial planner for his inheritance. I said hell no, but did go with him to help pick out a professional. In the course of this I learned that he had inherited over $1,000,000 from his father, as well as a paid off three bedroom house in the suburbs. His car is paid off, and he has no credit card debt. He has over $500,000 in his own 401K, and contributes almost 50% of his pay into a deferred income account, as he maxes out on his 401K contributions. I agree that not amassing senseless designer goods is a virtue, but this takes being cheap to an insane and counterproductive level. He could not be convinced that sinking an extra $20 into shoes would make them last long enough that he would be saving money.

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    Majority of marketing efforts today are aimed at females.The nest building instinct makes for an infinite source of consumer demand-whether its needed or not.

    The point got hammered home one day.I was in the military,and ran into a senior non-comissioned officer who ordered me to assist an Airman being moved out of their base issue apartment.I figured i'd be done in an hour.

    Said Sergeant left out a crucial detail-the gender of the individual.

    I-and four other dudes-spent FOUR HOURS moving one female's shit.The girl had so much crap I couldn't even walk through the door.Plastic shelves filled with girlie brick-a-brack were at every corner-thus why the door didnt open.Every closet was not only filled with clothes, but sub-shelves had been integrated under the main shelves-and sub rails beneath THaT.

    We're talking three layers deep of clothes in each closet men.Her bed was so big it had to be broken down and carried out in pieces.
    Understand, during the duty week her clothes were military issue green Battle Uniform.Every day,excluding weekends.So mathematically we KNOW she couldnt have worn anything in that closet often enough to justify the expense;even if she went downtown nightly.

    Us men, even the most consumeristic of us, dont have shit on females . I know women that blew $10,000 and have not the foggiest idea where it went.The issue is even more obscene when you consider she's not paying all her living expenses( that's what men are for), evening costs (free admission and dudes buying drinks), or romantic expenses (thats what men are for).

    Ive blown money ,but I either bought a gun (less then $1000 per) or I bought a part for my car (which takes me to work).I can point to my material excesses.No woman ive met, including the finance majors' , truly managed their spending.

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    Well, since survival is no longer the top priority, why not have some luxury.

    Frugality is not really my thing, i also like to produce music, for which i need computers, software, monitors (studio speakers), headphones, and a MIDI keyboard.

    All of those come quite costly.
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    Re: Material possessions and their worth

    @ Free and Clear:

    That's what I'm talking about right there...A wise man never judges a book by it's cover but, most blue-pillers and women do...I like to think of my cars as women-repellant...Going "ghost" is tricky...

    My dishes are easy to do too. I have 1 fork, 1 spoon, 1 butter knife, 1 steak knife, 1 plate, 1 bowl, 1 glass, 1 pot, and 1 pan...a cutting board and a can opener as well...I hate clutter and especially hate doing dishes...

    @ Grimjack:

    Thanks for the compliment, I think:/

    I made over 40k last year at my last job so, please know I am capable of not being poor. The choice was indeed intentional, though. 65hrs a week, 6 days a week of air pollution, electrical hazards, oil and solvents everywhere, surrounded by morons...I bought my car about a month before I quit...The dumbass boss thought I now had a car payment so he said "Looks like I can get more out of you now." I laughed at him and told him I was hoping he would say something stupid like that, never appreciating my work, always piling up more with a smile...I told him I got the car, that I paid for in cash, in case I needed to go back to my old delivery job that paid a little less but, was a hell of a lot less bullshit...

    He soon found out that I wasn't bluffing...His boss was pissed, still is from what I hear...Oh well, not my problem...

    I've been getting offers from other similar jobs but, they want someone that is enthusiastic about mandatory overtime and being talked to like it's the only job I've ever had and the only one I'll ever get...

    Sorry man, end rant...

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    I like your style Malinois ! We can all learn from you.

    "That's what I'm talking about right there...A wise man never judges a book by it's cover but, most blue-pillers and women do...I like to think of my cars as women-repellant...Going "ghost" is tricky..."

    Myself, I live in BigBill work clothes, buy as many as needed through out the year,
    that and nice steel toe work shoes. I feel good in them and can do anything.
    My cars are one 22RE Toyota 4WD PU and 3 MK2 diesel vw's. One is my winter beater, the other seldom winter driven and the third is as new for summer only with some tasteful mods, like the GLI edition back then. Lowered and turbo, but they are women repellent in the extreme just from being 25 years old, diesel and no ac. I get ZERO respect while driving the winter beater, so funny !
    I do like to think I have ghosting down, even though I look good and am in shape for 51, run daily now and lift. That and am a small business owner in manufacturing. My home is paid and have a good sized retirement fund built up.

    As for material assets I like to buy high quality items and recondition / repair myself.
    Have mostly high quality machinery in the shop, acquired through auctions and classifieds.
    My last new car was in '86. I'll never have another one.
    " It's never too late to have a happy childhood "

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    Re: Material possessions and their worth

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Covenant View Post
    On reflection, the "buy more expensive and it is cheaper in the long run" , is probably one of the factors that separates the wealthy from the less wealthy. Poorer people end up paying more for the same thing.
    "Buy once, cry once"
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    I believe in buying used when it it comes to cars. Last time I was looking for a car my wife wanted a Honda CR/V. I insisted that it be used. When we looked I found that they had a much higher regard for their cars than I did. We were looking at on 5 year old CR/V with a little over 100,000 miles and they were asking $18,000. The paint was faded, and there were rust spots in areas that were bound to rust through in the near future. The interior was beat up as well. A few cars over was a 6 year old Mercedes with 80,000 miles that still looked new. They wanted ony $16,000 for it. We ended up with the MB and have been very happy with it. I had a friend that later became the head of a brokerage firm who told me many years ago to always buy a used luxery car; the owners take excellent care of them and the low market for them means the prices are very reasonable. Most people that want a luxury car want the new luxery car so they can brag. For me most of the people that saw it thought it was new, so mission accomplished if I had cared about that.

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    Ive had the same jacket for a hundred years and like me, it looks better as it ages.
    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

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    Re: Material possessions and their worth

    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois View Post
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    @ Grimjack:

    Thanks for the compliment, I think:/

    I made over 40k last year at my last job so, please know I am capable of not being poor. The choice was indeed intentional, though. 65hrs a week, 6 days a week of air pollution, electrical hazards, oil and solvents everywhere, surrounded by morons...I bought my car about a month before I quit...The dumbass boss thought I now had a car payment so he said "Looks like I can get more out of you now." I laughed at him and told him I was hoping he would say something stupid like that, never appreciating my work, always piling up more with a smile...I told him I got the car, that I paid for in cash, in case I needed to go back to my old delivery job that paid a little less but, was a hell of a lot less bullshit...

    He soon found out that I wasn't bluffing...His boss was pissed, still is from what I hear...Oh well, not my problem...

    I've been getting offers from other similar jobs but, they want someone that is enthusiastic about mandatory overtime and being talked to like it's the only job I've ever had and the only one I'll ever get...

    Sorry man, end rant...

    It was absolutely a compliment! I would not consider you poor at all. Anyone, and I mean pretty much anyone is capable of working themselves to death for material goods. Its a rare man who realizes that his time is just as important as money (or even more so) and is willing to go a little Thoreauvian to have more free time.....Its one of the reasons that small house off-grid living is so interesting to me.

    I am nothing but jealous of your life style my friend. Keep on keeping on!

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    I personally like to adhere to only buying things that add value to your life. You can have the most expensive gaming rig that you want if it adds value to your life. You can have next to nothing if you don't require things to live a meaningful life. MGTOW is about doing what you want and how you want it. Live the way you want to live.
    In the future there will be robots.

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    It reminds me of the bumper sticker that says "The one with the most toys wins". Wins what? I've never seen a luggage rack on a hearse, have you? Do you think Saint Peter is going to check your net worth against your back taxes to see if you qualify for Heaven when you get there? Good luck with that. As for me? I like to use the Chinese method of de-cluttering. I hold each item I own in my hand. If it brings me joy, I keep it. If it doesn't, I throw it away. So far, I've gotten rid of my mirror and my bathroom scale. It's a work in progress.
    "Don't follow in my footsteps. I stepped in something."

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    Some material possessions are worth the time and expense. A home, clothes, laptop, and a good 401K/IRA or some other way to have money once one is old and can no longer work.





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    My father said he grew up poor but what helped him and his family fight through tough times was tools. With tools they were able to farm the land, repair their home and also build a fence. I think in this digital age people underestimate the importance of having simple but necessary tools.

    Even if you live in a condo or a high rise apartment having tools is still important.

    Of course paying someone else to do work is easier but I do not find it as satisfying.

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    I have never regretted buying a good tool, even if I use it infrequently. I am also very discerning about what I procure. I operate under the principle that possessions posses. Before buying anything, I wait at least a week and see if I really need it or have anything else that would work. And then I need a good reason to store and maintain that object after I get it. Those two filters really cut down on a lot of purchases.

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    I grew up middle-class, or maybe slightly above as my dad got his business going. He & his parents were broke when he was growing up, so he was super-sensitive to poverty and being looked down upon. He was also ethnic in a world of WASPs. To compensate, he was always buying stuff -- I believe a) to convince himself he wasn't poor any more, and b) to convince everyone around him that he was worthy of respect. He hated it when, as a kid, I dressed shabby.

    So, one of his best friends was this guy who owned an ancient, beat-up VW bug, and he dressed in jeans and flannel shirt, sometimes with holes. "Broke" doesn't begin to describe it. He didn't smell bad or anything; he just dressed like a bum. He'd stop by every so often. My dad would give him a cup of coffee and a donut, and sit and talk with him for a while, and then the guy would leave.

    I felt bad for the guy. Our family had "stuff" but this guy seemed to have nothing. So I said to my dad one day, after the guy had eaten his donut and left, "Dad, you should give that poor guy some money."

    Dad looked at me and laughed, "Son, that man owns half the state!"

    Turns out he was what you call "old blood," Mayflower-era, and actually did own about half the property in the state. He just wasn't out to impress anyone.

    That was a huge lesson for me. It's funny how I look at myself now and I see I have become that man. True, I don't own half the state, or any property other than the lot my house is planted on. But I do dress shabby. I own 2 trucks, but they're 17 and 6 years old. My house looks like my dad's friend might live in it: no foundation, cheap vinyl siding, mismatched trim paint, dilapidated driveway, land overgrown. But my investments are soaring, and I spend almost no money other than what I spend on my hobbies or on people I like and want to help out. I don't think I've ever been happier in my life. No stress, no trying to impress anyone, no competition. Just measured, responsible living.


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