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    Living as a Ghost

    I have never been a social extrovert. I usually only like hanging out with one friend at a time, and for me, friends are few and far between. I do not think you come to MGTOW without having a skeptical mind, swallowing more than a few red pills, which start to fade to a dark red the deeper you go down the rabbit hole, and at some point you find you are holding black pills, with only faint traces of red left in them. I am a wreck of a man now, and I look back at my life and the circumstances I was handed, and feel both great pride and great sadness. I am the only one in my family and extended family who did not accept the Christian faith. And that isolates me even though no one wants to admit it. My siblings all are married and have kids, or are on that path. The ones that are not involved with others, are drunk with the wine of Christianity and that is all they know. Ignorance is indeed bliss.

    The metaphor of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil runs deep on many levels. I am 32, turning 33 next month and I have lost motivation to go through college and get a high paying job, or even a moderate paying one. I have completely lost interest in women. Sure, I will admire their bodies if I find them attractive, but as far as striking up a conversation with them....yeah that is not going to happen. I have learned time and time again that they have nothing worth hearing. Their friendships are never real and I can never rely on them as I can a good male friend. So they are nothing to me, i dont hate them, but I dont like them either. Men are far more intellectual in my experience anyway. I have spent years gaming and retreating from all social interaction, but now I am taking a second look at MGTOW and I admire the men who are truly going their own way and making a nice life for themselves.

    I am very bitter about the loss of brotherhood in society. Men's groups are rare, women always ruin them. women's events are everywhere. Its sad that online is the easiest place to find men only areas. So I am alone, and if by chance I come across another ghost like me and we can become friends that would be nice. Otherwise, I will make sure my life goes by my rules and I enjoy it.

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    Re: Living as a Ghost

    Not a bad post, but it ought to be over in intro's. We used to get a lot a trolls, and introductions usually sorted them out. Anyway, if you want to stay, give it a shot.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    Re: Living as a Ghost

    Welcome.

    I think what you are trying to figure it is what do you do with your time as a free man? Money vs time equation can only be answered by you alone but I honestly believe it is better to make a lot of money between 20-40 years of age then shift to working less into your 50's and 60's if you saved properly.

    Now, if you want to enjoy your ability to move around and have lots of energy in your 30's that is also fine but keep in mind that would imply you need to be working into your 50's and 60's. If that doesn't bother you that is fine as well.

    So you have to figure out what is best for you.

    But I can echo and agree with that sentiment about lost brotherhood but that is what happens as many men buy into the narrative of "settling" down. These men are currently lost but not completely hopeless as they may re-emerge later in life due to life circumstances. But you as a man going your own way are going to be there to help out these men when they do stumble and society looks to kick them while they are down.

    As for Christianity, that is something I believe is a common to hear from those exposed by Western Christianity and its values. Interesting enough in Eastern Christianity it is far more spiritual and it is only dogmatic if you allow it to overwhelm your daily life and choices.

    I look forward to your intro in the intro forum and welcome!

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    Re: Living as a Ghost

    You are an inspiring admirable man.

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    Hi Alone85,

    I just want you to know that you are not indeed "alone". Your post has moved me and I too understand your circumstances. I am around the same age as you. I will say that I consider myself a ghost too because most "men" in society I don't trust. They can use any information you give them later to screw you. My hobbies involve PS3 games and working out.

    What games do you like to play? I'm playing "Deus-Ex: Human Revolution" right now and am loving it.

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    Re: Living as a Ghost

    Quote Originally Posted by Alone85 View Post
    I have never been a social extrovert. I usually only like hanging out with one friend at a time, and for me, friends are few and far between. I do not think you come to MGTOW without having a skeptical mind, swallowing more than a few red pills, which start to fade to a dark red the deeper you go down the rabbit hole, and at some point you find you are holding black pills, with only faint traces of red left in them.

    ...

    I am very bitter about the loss of brotherhood in society. Men's groups are rare, women always ruin them. women's events are everywhere. Its sad that online is the easiest place to find men only areas. So I am alone, and if by chance I come across another ghost like me and we can become friends that would be nice. Otherwise, I will make sure my life goes by my rules and I enjoy it.
    I feel I could easily have written your introductory and concluding statements. I think too that there are many, many men like us. I also think that our quieter introverted natures are part of why we don't coalesce in public men's groups. If we did this, they would be a magnet for extroverts and we would quietly move away into the shadows. I think that in the current times, extroverted men coalesce around sporting events and sporting activities. In my case I go fishing and tramping alone mostly because these are activities are (for me) both spiritual and physical and I find that companions of any sort disrupt the spiritual aspect. When I move about in nature it is very quietly and I observe things others do not and most modern people just do not know what that means.

    Getting back on topic ... brotherhood amongst men is elusive for introverted men, but not lost. In line with what other posts have said, online communities like this one just need more people like you. The gaming community can be really good but the discussions there are mostly not deeply intellectual (am sure someone will protest at this statement haha)!

    I yearn for and thrive on a deeper spirituality and like you, seek more intellectual discussion. I find most social situations in general society to be irredeemably contaminated with unbearable frivolity. Having said that, I understand that I am the one who is unique and that the average person is not like me, so I try not to be judgemental of society but redirect the impulse to understanding myself, being self aware and accepting myself. In doing so, I have come to terms with the fact that my path is one of solitude and solitariness. I draw strength from this. I sense that in describing yourself as a "wreck of a man" that you might be applying social norms and expectations that are inappropriate? Possibly you need to accept and explore your natural path? The life of philosophers is often one that is solitary. My thoughts may or may not apply to you? I am keen to hear from you and found your post very thought provoking.

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    Re: Living as a Ghost

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwokky View Post
    I yearn for and thrive on a deeper spirituality and like you, seek more intellectual discussion. I find most social situations in general society to be irredeemably contaminated with unbearable frivolity. Having said that, I understand that I am the one who is unique and that the average person is not like me, so I try not to be judgemental of society but redirect the impulse to understanding myself, being self aware and accepting myself. In doing so, I have come to terms with the fact that my path is one of solitude and solitariness. I draw strength from this. I sense that in describing yourself as a "wreck of a man" that you might be applying social norms and expectations that are inappropriate? Possibly you need to accept and explore your natural path? The life of philosophers is often one that is solitary.
    As a 19 year old man. I find this very similar to what I'm experiencing now as I move out of my parents care to independancy. I've felt like a freak of nature to want something different than most of my class mates and peers throughout my short life. I've never had any interest in the discussions that go on in party settings or even in tight knit groups. They usually bore me. I've managed to find people who are the same age as me and are quietly following their path. My friendships with them are truly unique. What you've said here really resonates with me. I am trying to find activities that will put me in line with my spiritual self.


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