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    Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    Something strange is going on with the working class men of America. Many in this class of men are no longer working, and it is not for the lack of jobs.
    As Charles Murray explains in White America – while upper middle class men (and their wives) work more and more, working-class men work less and less to such and extent that we must insert those quotes – the working class man, is now the ‘working’ class man. This phenomenon has caught the attention of the White House and is said to have caused the rise of Donald Trump.
    Both Murray and similar accounts confirm that although the collapse in traditional working class jobs is partly to blame, it is the collapse in working class culture that has driven this change.
    In fact, an incredible ‘7 million American men between the ages of 25 and 54 are neither working nor looking for work. That amounts to 12 per cent of all men in those prime working ages – and that doesn’t count another 2 million who are looking for work but haven’t found it.’
    So it seems just as women were liberating themselves from the prison of the home, working class men have liberated themselves from work. Perhaps unsurprisingly one liberation – that of women – has been celebrated, but the other is causing panic . . .

    Ah, but my feminist sisters say, these men are just the new modern man. They are taking over childcare and home duties while their partners go to work. That was our grand plan it is all coming to fruition. Not quite.
    Instead, these men are having a bit of ‘me’ time. “They’re not spending any more time on child care or chores.” Instead these men spend up to 10.5 hours a day on media in all its form. They are playing Grand Theft Auto is what they are doing . . . "
    http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/l...backs-on-work/

    Feminists liberated themselves from male authority; so Men liberated themselves from paying for women and divorce lawyers . . . and now have plenty of time for the XBox . . . Going Galt and Playstation at the same time!

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    The reason for this is that working hard at a blue-collar job will no longer get you ahead. That song "Working for The Man" ends, "One day, I'm gonna be The Man". That's no longer true. It's not just about marriage, although that's part of it. The Dream is no longer accessible, so why make a life out of working?

    So it seems just as women were liberating themselves from the prison of the home, working class men have liberated themselves from work.
    Nice.

    This commentator views this as an ominous sign, “the time and money these activities rob from relationships, work, and savings can hardly be overestimated.
    "relationships" = "women". For a man to spend his own money on himself is "robbing" women, you see, of all that lovely money that they ought to be getting.

    more fundamentally his position in society has been trashed. The status he had as ‘head of the family’ no matter how menial and meaningless the job was on its own, had meaning and dignity as it sustained a family.
    Gold.

    All of this spells disaster of course for the working class woman who is left scratching a living in low-paid jobs and welfare while holding the baby.
    Gee, how did she manage to get herself a baby? And aren't women supposed to be all sensible and better than men in every what? So why can't they think for a moment "actually, this is a bad idea"? Having a baby is optional, these days. It's because their hormones utterly override any sense that they may have when it comes to sex and procreation.

    The links are nice, too

    One of our neighbors was a lifetime welfare recipient, but in between asking my grandmother to borrow her car or offering to trade food stamps for cash at a premium, she’d blather on about the importance of industriousness. “So many people abuse the system, it’s impossible for the hardworking people to get the help they need,” she’d say. This was the construct she’d built in her head: Most of the beneficiaries of the system were extravagant moochers, but she — despite never having worked in her life — was an obvious exception.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...aved-young-man
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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat
    The Dream is no longer accessible, so why make a life out of working?
    It reminds me of that John Lennon line from his anti-religious/anti-spiritual song, God, "the DREAM is OOOOVER!!!"

    I know you are red pill on religious social bullshit, having formly been. Christian, is part of your intro. I'm agnostic. Went to Catholic school but never took it seriously. The only time I told the idea of religion slightly seriously was when I was 8 years old for a few weeks. My parents were not hat religious. Just tried going to church every once in a while from Catholic guilt.

    Like John Lennon once said (and got in trouble in 1966 for saying as part of what he thought was off the records chats), "Christ is alright. It's just that his disciples were thick and ordinary and it's their twisting it that ruined it for me."

    The song "God" obviously is not just about losint faith in a spiritual sense of self. It's also about losing belief in any and every social political concept EVER. Hell, I could relate it too rock n roller cultures too. As the Who sang, "won't get fooled again!"

    Quote Originally Posted by "God" song lyrics
    God is a Concept by which we measure our pain
    I'll say it again
    God is a Concept by which we measure our pain

    I don't believe in magic
    I don't believe in I-ching
    I don't believe in Bible
    I don't believe in Tarot
    I don't believe in Hitler
    I don't believe in Jesus
    I don't believe in Kennedy
    I don't believe in Buddha
    I don't believe in Mantra
    I don't believe in Gita
    I don't believe in Yoga
    I don't believe in Kings
    I don't believe in Elvis
    I don't believe in Zimmerman
    I don't believe in Beatles

    I just believe in me, Yoko and me, and that's reality

    The dream is over
    What can I say?
    The dream is over
    Yesterday

    I was the dreamweaver
    But now I'm reborn
    I was the walrus
    But now I'm John
    And so, dear friends,
    You'll just have to carry on
    The dream is OOOOVER...

    Written by John Winston Lennon • Copyright © Universal Music Publishing Group, Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, Downtown Music Publishing
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Aok2eEMEw

    If you aren't Chad in the years following 2010, you might as well take women as seriously as they take you (unless you're a Chad or gullible enough to be extracted from by some woman in wallet seeking mode). Pump and dump or going ghost is the only reasonable thing to do. Women do not hold up their end much, why should men AT ALL?

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    The dream is indeed over. You earn probably half as much now as you did in the seventies in Germany. The Euro was a disaster and has shrunk our buying power considerably.
    God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,Courage to change the things I can,And wisdom to know the difference.
    I identify as God, and if people don't refer to me as "my lord", I will smite them.
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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    And here is the START of women shaming men into working more just like i said it would happen!

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    Accidental double post.

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRonin View Post
    And here is the START of women shaming men into working more just like i said it would happen!
    Meanwhile, those men who act based on this shaming will still be criticized -

    1. Because someone 'had to shame them' into working more

    AND

    2. Because due to those men working more, they won't be around as much, and therefore, not being around as much means they are being neglectful. Those men won't be 'present' in their relationships and that will make cupcake unhappy, and/or bored.

    She's going to be unhappy because you're around too much, and not earning enough money.

    She's going to be unhappy that you're not around as much, even though the money situation is 'better'.

    If these men 'really loved' their cupcakes, they'd be able to earn enough and be around as much as cupcake decides he should.

    Of course, then there would just be another problem immediately, or just around the corner (give her time) for cupcake to gripe and complain about.

    If you don't burden yourself by living with (let alone marrying) someone who thinks you have to listen to their bullshit because vagina, then you never have to put up with all of their petty bullshit. Slot V is not worth that much effort to jump through all of her hoops, especially once she's grown comfortable enough to drop the facade and 'be herself'.

    That's not her reaching a new stage of depth and communication with 'her man'. That's her comfortable as hell not pretending to be nice and sweet anymore because she thinks she is in control and can manipulate things because she has a vagina.

    Granted, when women talk about reaching a new stage of depth and communication, this is obviously what they really mean so if you hear those words, and you're living with someone, be worried. Hell, if you don't hear those words, be worried. LOL


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    Something strange is going on with the working class men of America. Many in this class of men are no longer working, and it is not for the lack of jobs.
    ...
    Both Murray and similar accounts confirm that although the collapse in traditional working class jobs is partly to blame, it is the collapse in working class culture that has driven this change.

    collapse in working class culture
    : blame the culture = blame the people

    That's word salad for, blame the people who can't find jobs for not having a job

    They say that there is not a lack of jobs and then confirm that there is a collapse in working class jobs and try to mitigate that collapse with more word salad garbage.

    We know why the jobs are gone, and we know bad free trade deals supported by the government for decades based on policies favoring the few via policies of globalism have brought us here - and now that other severe problems based on these choices can no longer be ignored, they decide to just blame men for the problem.

    Fuck them. Fuck globalism. Fuck every single elected leader who approved of and did not fight this for the last several decades.

    I reject the narrative that working class men are to blame for your problems and growing worry over continued lack of global profit making.
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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRonin View Post
    And here is the START of women shaming men into working more just like i said it would happen!
    To be honest they have done this for thousands of years. This isn't new, it is just becoming a fashionable trend again till men stand up and say enough.

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    We are turning our backs on this whole screwed up culture. Why should men support a system that now hates them?
    “Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein . . . Women want total freedom or rather – to call things by their names – total licence. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters . . .” – Cato the Elder

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    I have contemplated the things I have accomplished over the years and big part of it has been I haven't felt forced to work over time or for more hours. Cutting out the traditional dating scene and parlaying that money instead into savings/investments has been the best thing I have ever did.

    At this pace, I can work reasonably well into retirement age without feeling fatigued and I have my investments still building interest.

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    There's some truth here, but guy's leaving the plantation ain't the reason blue collar work's gone south. There's downsizing, union busting, shipping job's oversea's, industries going belly up, as well as more and more worker's dividing the ever shrinking pie. The high water mark for blue collar stiff's in the US was 1972. Been going downhill every since.

    Sure, I know people who quit the rat race. Some's terminal lazy, but not all. When driving to another city for work start's costing as much you get back, you might as well stay home. This happened to a guy I know. He does odd mechanical job's at home now, and with some help from friend's, get's by.

    Blaming it all on a few gamer's make's more sense than telling the truth I guess. But it's total crap.
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    Drop the needle!

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    I always thought that the reason men work hard is for their family. But if a man mentally decides that he does not want to marry, then why knock yourself out working like a dog.

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    I worked overtime to fund what I needed or wanted. that's common enough.

    Thing is though, most of the time blue collar puke's don't get to pick how many hours they want. In theory overtime is optional, but with many job's it comes with the territory. Completely legal of course. For years my best friend had time or money, but never both. How he managed on the sleep he got I have no idea. The tax man loved it. Other people would work OT if they could, but it's never offered.
    Drop the needle!

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    Except for fat ugly chicks, women don't want men to stay home and take care of things.
    Heck, I would go for that deal in a heartbeat.
    MSM acts like being a housewife is a tough job. Whatever, I'd stay home, do the housework and cook dinner, and with the other 7 hours of my day I'd do whatever I felt like while she pays the bills. If I feel lonely I'll hook-up with a younger chick because she isn't paying enough attention to me. If she doesn't like it I'll get a divorce and sue for alimony to live the life I've grown accustomed to. You know, living for free and doing all the work of turning a few dials on machines and cooking food which I already do now.
    I've worked in factories, done shipping and landscaping. Mostly now I do office work and do typing in cubicles. The toughest part of the job isn't the work itself. It's dealing with the typical feministy HR departments with all their political correctness. Id take being a stay at home dude in a heartbeat. Don't want kids though because of sexist child support laws. Maybe if I didn't work they would give me custody and I could get child support out of her?
    Kickback have a beer and enjoy the decline.

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    Quote Originally Posted by realronmgtow View Post
    Except for fat ugly chicks, women don't want men to stay home and take care of things.
    Heck, I would go for that deal in a heartbeat.
    MSM acts like being a housewife is a tough job. Whatever, I'd stay home, do the housework and cook dinner, and with the other 7 hours of my day I'd do whatever I felt like while she pays the bills. If I feel lonely I'll hook-up with a younger chick because she isn't paying enough attention to me. If she doesn't like it I'll get a divorce and sue for alimony to live the life I've grown accustomed to. You know, living for free and doing all the work of turning a few dials on machines and cooking food which I already do now.
    I've worked in factories, done shipping and landscaping. Mostly now I do office work and do typing in cubicles. The toughest part of the job isn't the work itself. It's dealing with the typical feministy HR departments with all their political correctness. Id take being a stay at home dude in a heartbeat. Don't want kids though because of sexist child support laws. Maybe if I didn't work they would give me custody and I could get child support out of her?
    Bingo. Women have shown how collectively brainless they are by falling for this feminist propaganda with no second thought. Men see the ease of the motherhood/housewife "job", but women make it out to be torture simply because they're addicted to drama. Try switching places with your husband in construction (where he could easily die on the job), then we can talk about "equality".

    Seriously, what's the most difficult part of being a stay at home mom? Your kid pukes on some furniture? Big fuckin deal...I'm sure they try to say...well it's because kids are endlessly demanding, so there's no time to think or relax. Even if that's true, which I'm not buying, it sure sounds way better than being in a situation where a giant steel beam can drop on your head.

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    I don't see men turning their backs on work. What I see is men valuing time more than money. Although making money when you are young is far more beneficial to you as a man than waiting till later.

    What is happening is men have reached the proper work/life balance where they make enough money for the present and for the future while also having enough time now. It has been argued a long time...do you work hard in your youth to enjoy your old age? Or, do you enjoy your youth and accept that you will be working till your death? There isn't a "right answer" for any man so that is why mgtow makes sense.

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    I have always worked as hard as needed to accomplish what I have been tasked with...but NOT ONE BIT HARDER.

    Work is a necessary evil for me, and it's something I MUST do in order to make the money I need to be able to give to others for services and goods. However, since work is something I MUST do, I will do it on MY terms, and I will only work as hard as needed.

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    Re: Ghosting Spreads: "Laura Perrins: Working class men turn their backs on work"

    Couldn't find the original article. Looks like it's been removed. Did find this though, with lots of references to MGTOW as the explanation.

    https://goo.gl/pk1Lyi


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