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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyAustrian View Post
    Bingo, same here.
    I have an exhaustive job with quite some travelling and human contact.
    The last thing after closing the door of my car in the garage after arriving at home is any other human being.

    I (finally) had a week off this week and i have not left my home once. First I think it is poor management if you can not stay at home without constant grocery shopping or buying stuff for projects in progress.

    I started ghosting when I gave up on dating in 2000 or so. Without wanting to meet women much of my existing social circle became kinda useless and I only stuck with some good friends of my childhood.

    We help each other out if one of us has a little problem like feeding the cats when in hospital ...

    I also ghost at work, my only "social event" there is the annual christmas celebration.

    I do not drink at all and even that gets rather boring for me after some alcohol consumption of the others.

    2017 I will be 40 and I think I will either cut back on hours (and money) or work even more and save for an earlier retirement.

    Good advice.
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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    I'm a recluse and work the overnight shift at my job so it's pretty easy/natural to me. Sometimes the odd "loneliness" feelings will affect me but I just exercise a bit or listen to music to improve my mood and it passes quickly.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by ahsp1096 View Post
    i'm a recluse and work the overnight shift at my job so it's pretty easy/natural to me. Sometimes the odd "loneliness" feelings will affect me but i just exercise a bit or listen to music to improve my mood and it passes quickly.

    omg. Paradise!
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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by LastPriory View Post
    omg. Paradise!
    It can be. The blue pill world work's day's if they can, that's for sure. They seldom give night shifter's a thought either, it's like living in a different town.

    Being unpopular, the mill made rookies start night's, like it or not. Most didn't, me included. But by the time I had enough seniority for day shift, I no longer wanted it. I had a better job nights, and there was only one boss to keep happy. If he knew he could depend on you, you could pretty much tear up the rule book and get away with it. That was a lot of freedom, and if there was anything I liked back then, it was freedom.

    Then half the mill's died, mine included. Spent the rest of my so called career growing trees for Smokey Bear. Except for a few fire's, my time on night's was over.

    Is night shift as free as it used to be? Can't be, nothing is. But it still leave's a lot of the blue pill world behind.
    Drop the needle!

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    At first I felt betrayed, then I felt hate. Then I wanted vengeance. (when my first wife of 21 years left me for a younger man)......As time has went on, now going on 12 years, I'm enlightened, ever suspicious of women, & men that pander to women, more goal oriented. I'm amazed at how many things I get accomplished and how many personal goals I've seen fulfilled by being absorbed in my progress and putting the responsibility squarely on my own shoulders for my care. Mental, physical, emotional, & financial.......& yes Spiritual, which is very important to me. The time & money I've wasted on silly things in my life devoted to perfect furniture & curtains for a woman denied me , Me. I'm not bitter that it took me 32 years to start on this path. That's OK. Just so pleased with myself that I've started. And , as always , thanks to you genuine men out there that will read this , and allow me to post such experiences. I'm learning from all of you.

    Just so happy I'm not a "nice guy" anymore. I can't describe the self respect, and the respect I feel from others, while not trying to please women, and for that matter, everyone else. That never means that I've found a reason to be a scumbag, or deceptive with anyone. I can be true to myself and my care without apologies. My 2 ex wives never apologized for their own caring for themselves, even at my expense.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Ghosting is really inner focus and avoiding dangers. Technically all MGTOW do that, but ghosting takes it up another notch IMO.
    I think your "inner world" is just your private thing, it has nothing to do with ghosting. Ghosting is all about putting up a front to the external world. By being mgtow and hence avoiding to play the society's rules, you ARE a danger to the normal social cohesion. Ghosting is all about going stealth so you appear you're part of that social cohesion. Ghosting is about defense politics.

    Let me give you example: if you state that you don't trust woman and you want to stay single and enjoy life, people (especially employers) are going to avoid you because you don't play their game. You place the bar lower, not higher! This is especially true for men who just like to see who roars the loudest and have the biggest muscles (in order to attract a chick). If your employer sees he has nothing to stimulate you with, he will put you on the "avoid" list.

    This is also true on a society level. Society doesn't need NEETS, they need worker drones.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    I realize that I am truly on my own, nobody can help me and everyone might be against
    me as well. I need to be ok with that.

    It's been 7 years since I wanted to have sex enough to speak about it.
    I still don't want sex- most of the time. The rest of the time I try to figure
    out what it is a woman wants in exchange for sex and how to politely
    avoid that bad, sick and wrong deal.

    In the last 7 years, I have accomplished more, saved more, invested more and
    built more than in the past 39 years of living. It's not by accident.

    I went my own way and became engrossed in it.
    What a difference.

    My life is so much better now.


    All true. I could and will read this post over & over. What can a woman give to me that I can't provide for myself? When the plumbing is backed up, I could take good care of that quickly, & actually better than women I've been with could. And after the valve has been relieved, I won't have to go antiquing, (unless I wanted to, & that was my thing), or to bed bath & beyond for 2 hours and watch money go away on crap that I didn't need or want. Or listen to her bleeding heart stories of how a younger woman is upstaging her at their place of work , using her fresh young T&A. I have more peace of mind. I take care of my mental health. I have less anger, or none at all. I'm working, and actually choose to work because that's what I love to do. Really, and I say this genuinely, the stress and pressure of dealing with another individual that feels that I OWE her something is gone from my life. I'm filling that space with constructive things for myself. This translates and trickles down to others I have contact with daily in business, etc. , meaning if someone needs a little help, by means of info, or some kind of direction, I can point them in the right way, & I like doing that.

    I haven't really spoken to anyone about MGTOW. I mentioned something briefly to my brother in law, & he looked at me as though I were speaking Greek. And that's where I get that not everyone will get this. It's still new for me. I view women & their collective thinking now as I always thought : I see the culture as poison. To be clear, I don't look at women as I used to , if I ever do at all now. I turn my head when I see an attractive,(or unattractive for that matter) predator. Lethal & life sapping.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by m2s View Post
    I think your "inner world" is just your private thing, it has nothing to do with ghosting. Ghosting is all about putting up a front to the external world. By being mgtow and hence avoiding to play the society's rules, you ARE a danger to the normal social cohesion. Ghosting is all about going stealth so you appear you're part of that social cohesion. Ghosting is about defense politics.

    Let me give you example: if you state that you don't trust woman and you want to stay single and enjoy life, people (especially employers) are going to avoid you because you don't play their game. You place the bar lower, not higher! This is especially true for men who just like to see who roars the loudest and have the biggest muscles (in order to attract a chick). If your employer sees he has nothing to stimulate you with, he will put you on the "avoid" list.

    This is also true on a society level. Society doesn't need NEETS, they need worker drones.
    Well said!

    The trick with employers is making your work outstanding. With no wife or GF rearing back on her hind legs expecting all over you
    every day, a MGTOW can really perform at work. No fear, and no distractions. That is something employers LOVE.
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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelEye View Post
    ... if someone needs a little help, by means of info, or some kind of direction, I can point them in the right way, & I like doing that.
    That is what MGTOW is all about. Doing what you like and harming nobody else in the process.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelEye View Post
    I haven't really spoken to anyone about MGTOW. I mentioned something briefly to my brother in law, & he looked at me as though I were speaking Greek. And that's where I get that not everyone will get this. It's still new for me. I view women & their collective thinking now as I always thought : I see the culture as poison. To be clear, I don't look at women as I used to , if I ever do at all now. I turn my head when I see an attractive,(or unattractive for that matter) predator. Lethal & life sapping.
    I spoke the word MGTOW to my brother once so far when I was hearing his confession a while back. I never granted absolution, nor promised forgiveness of sin.
    I never condemned him for his actions or laid blame upon him. All I told him was "I've been MGTOW for so long, those issues have become trivial. I won't judge you.
    You are my brother and I love you."

    The word alone and my example will hopefully set him on the path to freedom after his next divorce. I think it's #3 now. I have hope for him that he will abandon
    the imposed life script of society and find the peace and contentment he truly deserves.
    Throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams.
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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Wow. It's gotta hurt seeing someone that you care so much about hurt themselves. I had a younger brother, who passed away about 5 years ago, live his life solely for the vagina. He was cursed with good looks and charm. It hurt him to the core, & unfortunately the only thing that ended it for him was MDS, a rare blood cancer. I don't say that disrespectfully, because I loved him very much.

    But now as I see , he's out of his misery. And believe me, he was miserable often. I was always there for him, & tried to tell him to cool his heels, but he just couldn't lay off the vag.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by m2s View Post
    I think your "inner world" is just your private thing, it has nothing to do with ghosting. Ghosting is all about putting up a front to the external world. By being mgtow and hence avoiding to play the society's rules, you ARE a danger to the normal social cohesion. Ghosting is all about going stealth so you appear you're part of that social cohesion. Ghosting is about defense politics.

    Let me give you example: if you state that you don't trust woman and you want to stay single and enjoy life, people (especially employers) are going to avoid you because you don't play their game. You place the bar lower, not higher! This is especially true for men who just like to see who roars the loudest and have the biggest muscles (in order to attract a chick). If your employer sees he has nothing to stimulate you with, he will put you on the "avoid" list.

    This is also true on a society level. Society doesn't need NEETS, they need worker drones.
    I am a big advocate about ghosting in plain site and using social media to create fake fronts is an example that I use. This is why I classify myself more of a ghost than a bachelor but I am dynamic on what I do depending on situations and circumstances.

    So, I am in complete agreement with you that you guard your inner thoughts closely.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Agreed, Azure. That was a noteworthy post.

    I use ghosting to defer the sexual interest of women. It works, most of the time.
    In this manner we can speak with other men honestly without fear.

    My outer thoughts don't belong to anyone but me and those who can read well.
    Everyone else takes away what they are meant to possess.

    My inner thoughts don't belong to me anymore.

    They are my gift to all and my species, so long as we can
    live in peace with one another, learn to abide, and provide
    mutual benefit to ourselves and others, when doing no harm to others.
    It seems blue pill at first to think this way but it is not.

    If I am defined by the criteria of others, can I speak freely?
    If I speak freely, does the judgment of others matter at all?
    I thank you for the gift of your mind on the matter which matters most.

    The less I fuck, the less I hate.
    The less I emote, the less I fuck.

    This appears to me to be a binary axiomatic social construct.

    It may be stated thus, but there are other iterations: for example-

    The more I fuck the more I love. The more I want. The more I make. The more I want.
    The more I fuck is controlled by the omniscient, omnipotent and plenipotentiary egg.
    Thus dissatisfaction is natural and those who give a fuck are satisfied to the extent that
    they still give a fuck. In a word, "slavery."

    Therefore- The less I fuck the more I create. I take my place as an investor in humanity
    without creating more humanity.

    Women cannot comprehend this way of life.
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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    When you live in a small town and repel women naturally, ghosting's not much work. Doing anything else is harder.

    The best way to make women run, is to appear to be such a loser than no woman want's you. They know there are plenty of one eyed four hundred pound cavewomen out there. If you can't pull one of those, you can't pull anybody. There's no glory stealing you from nobody, then their the chump for taking a man no one else want's. A woman's got her pride, she'd sooner have an ax murderer. The thought that you might not want a one eyed four hundred pound cavewomen never enters their head.

    Why they think stealing you from said cavewoman is much of an accomplishment, I'll never know. A victory's a victory, I guess. Lower the bar a little, would you?
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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    The only reason I work for myself is to find a better way to work for others in the spare time
    which is expended by me under my best vision, discretion and budget.

    As men going our own way, it is not the only option available to us.

    We are every option, or no choice at all.

    MGTOW are the essence of masculine will power and mindfulness.
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