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    Ghosting can be very difficult

    Ghosting can be very difficult to explain to just about everyone besides another ghost.
    One needs to be there before they can get there, or be in two places at the same time.
    One needs to begin keeping promises made only to ones' own self and provide for their
    fulfillment, ahead of schedule and under budget.
    It can be extremely difficult if one is his own project, risk manager, accountant, engineer,
    typist, secretary, and president.

    Ghosting could possibly be described as:
    "The Art and Science of Presiding over ones' own Self and no other".

    Women naturally think this is "selfish" and "wrong". Women want control.
    Women are also naturally inclined to make false, baseless accusations and
    presume an unrebuttable posture of correctness while falsely attributing their
    posture with our desires.

    Women justify their existence by creating more of both men and women.
    They cannot accomplish this with an unwilling male, nor without creating
    conflict and controlling the conversation about the issue and their feelings
    about it.

    How a woman treats a daughter is very different from the way she treats a son.
    What a woman tells her daughter is very different from what she tells her son.

    Illogical at best, malignant at worst.

    How do I deal with this crap as a ghost?

    I realize that all my feelings put in a plastic bag are worth less than the bag.
    I realize that even my mother lied to me. She apologized for this many decades
    later. Every woman I ever met lied to me to gain some undue advantage or to
    diminish my status without comprehending what it was I was doing.

    I realize that I am truly on my own, nobody can help me and everyone might be against
    me as well. I need to be ok with that.

    It's been 7 years since I wanted to have sex enough to speak about it.
    I still don't want sex- most of the time. The rest of the time I try to figure
    out what it is a woman wants in exchange for sex and how to politely
    avoid that bad, sick and wrong deal.

    In the last 7 years, I have accomplished more, saved more, invested more and
    built more than in the past 39 years of living. It's not by accident.

    I went my own way and became engrossed in it.
    What a difference.

    My life is so much better now.
    The fuck stops here. Me.
    Specialization is for insects. Robert A. Heinlein.
    ... nobody stays here by faking reality. --John Galt...

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    I think the reason why Ghosting is hard to understand is some people assume you become a recluse, outcast, etc.

    Ghosting is really inner focus and avoiding dangers. Technically all MGTOW do that, but ghosting takes it up another notch IMO.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    I think the reason why Ghosting is hard to understand is some people assume you become a recluse, outcast, etc.

    Ghosting is really inner focus and avoiding dangers. Technically all MGTOW do that, but ghosting takes it up another notch IMO.
    Agreed.

    For my money a danger of ghosting is being seen as "a recluse, outcast, etc. ". Well, not so much recluse, people can understand and sympathise with that but I reckon it still comes back to "be attractive, dont be unattractive" even just for personal survival.

    The art of internal ghosting perhaps?
    Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate. Zhuangzi

    someone asked the poet Sophocles: "How are you in regard to sex, Sophocles? Can you still make love to a woman?" Hush man, the poet replied, I am very glad to have escaped from this, like a slave who has escaped from a mad and cruel master."

    Dont worry about me. Worry about why you're worried about me.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by AdTheBad View Post
    Agreed.

    For my money a danger of ghosting is being seen as "a recluse, outcast, etc. ". Well, not so much recluse, people can understand and sympathise with that but I reckon it still comes back to "be attractive, dont be unattractive" even just for personal survival.

    The art of internal ghosting perhaps?
    Best way to ghost is to ghost in plain site IMO. I don't create fake layers (social media is the exception) but I guard my inner thoughts, daily routines, and plans from friends, family, and coworkers in real life.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    It is good to be among such learned friends.

    I have urgent matters at the moment so I can't
    type much more until production becomes regular.

    Thanks and please do continue, I like where you
    are taking this thread.

    Life is fucking awesome and at this moment,
    I am very glad to be part of it all. Sleep is
    now a commodity.

    Thank you all very much.
    You men are insightful, even those with
    whom I disagree most.

    Much respect,
    LP
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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    I must be doing it wrong then.

    I'm finding my path of being honest with myself by measuring true worth of things, people, and ideas, is leading me to a monk-like nihilism...

    Sometimes the content-ness leaves me dead inside...I can reason away all ambition...I am a master loafer since I cannot ignite much personal drive...

    Goals hahaha...

    I'm going for steak today, dammit!

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    A lot of people have been dancing around ideas but I am going to be outright and say it... women are inherently born evil. Unless you're the females son/daughter, women will try to ruin your life. They are all from the same inherent hivemind. Think of spiders that eat the male spider, this is exactly the same dynamic that is happening in our kingdom. Men all over the world getting fucked over by women again and again, tied into the same cycle by their horniness. They will never learn but for MGTOWS we have become the enlightened few. We know that a woman can spin some serious manipulative rhetoric that can change countries and nations... for christians, women are of the devil, for scientists women are part of the selfish gene, for Islam, women should be covered up and shouldn't be allowed to talk. We are all slowly coming to realise that women are born evil. I think I am just going to throw this out here and say it. Feminism has only shown womens manipulations on the surface. Is that fucking hole between her legs worth it?

    If a woman did not have a hole inbetween her legs, I wonder what the fuck the male species would do with themselves. I certainly do not think they would be hanging around women. Women are the poison that sucks a man dry of his resources, time and finances and only spits him back out when there is nothing left. There is definitely a female hivemind going on. They are as a team, manipulating culture to suit them and they do it very well. Treat ALL women coming from the same hivemind. You're either advancing their poisonus rhetoric or an enemy.

    Also do not be fooled by fourth-wave anti feminist women. They are nothing but captors who will draw you in close before stinging you. Just like the NAWALT women who fuck you over regardless. Heed these warnings.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Don't try to explain ghosting to those who probably won't get it anyway. Things like ghosting is something you need to keep to yourself.
    "What defines us is how well we rise after falling."




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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois View Post
    I must be doing it wrong then.

    I'm finding my path of being honest with myself by measuring true worth of things, people, and ideas, is leading me to a monk-like nihilism...

    Sometimes the content-ness leaves me dead inside...I can reason away all ambition...I am a master loafer since I cannot ignite much personal drive...

    Goals hahaha...

    I'm going for steak today, dammit!
    A worthy goal, steak. I don't have a grill anymore and I miss that.

    I've had the same ambition since 1987. It's not really a goal per se, though I set goals which are in line with my ambition.
    I rarely ever allow for deadlines outside of work. To quote the character Professor Hathaway from the movie Real Genius,
    "You can't dictate innovation..."
    The fuck stops here. Me.
    Specialization is for insects. Robert A. Heinlein.
    ... nobody stays here by faking reality. --John Galt...

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by Shrug the Script View Post
    Don't try to explain ghosting to those who probably won't get it anyway. Things like ghosting is something you need to keep to yourself.
    For the most part, I agree with this notion. Most of it I do keep to myself.

    There are many bachelors here who are trying to deprogram themselves and view the social conditioning toward marriage,
    family and "social contract" as almost unassailable. I read their frustrated, angry posts and relate them to a time when I was also
    trying to deprogram myself: frustrated, angry, hurt, betrayed and often insulted for feeling that way.

    "Man up!" they would tell me.

    "Ghost out." was the answer that worked for me.

    By the time I realized this, I had already dumped a good paying job in high end computing and got a job in a
    restaurant. Back then we called it "Going Galt".

    Bachelorhood was a cesspit of misery and emptiness for me. Once I realized it was all bullshit social programming I
    thought to myself, "I didn't code that program! Just who the fuck thinks they can run my life? I pay the bills here, I do
    the work that keeps the bills paid, I do my laundry, cooking, dishes and still make time to explore sciences I enjoy."

    Just who the fuck thinks they can run my life?

    Women. That's who.

    "Man up! they would tell me.

    After seven years without seeking the company, advice, or approval of a woman I don't have to say a word any longer.
    They look in my eyes and see two words form silently in a clear, calm and self controlled facial expression.

    "Fuck off."

    Where have all the good men gone?
    Seeking the path of the Ghost, in their own way.

    Men require the freedom to be men which women will always seek to suppress, control, and manipulate to their advantage.

    Shrug the script, some things must be kept private. Others must be spelled out. The situation will escalate over time.
    Eventually these men will find peace and solace but I fear at a fantastic and unbelievable price.

    LP
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    Specialization is for insects. Robert A. Heinlein.
    ... nobody stays here by faking reality. --John Galt...

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRonin View Post
    A lot of people have been dancing around ideas but I am going to be outright and say it... women are inherently born evil. Unless you're the females son/daughter, women will try to ruin your life. They are all from the same inherent hivemind. Think of spiders that eat the male spider, this is exactly the same dynamic that is happening in our kingdom. Men all over the world getting fucked over by women again and again, tied into the same cycle by their horniness. They will never learn but for MGTOWS we have become the enlightened few. We know that a woman can spin some serious manipulative rhetoric that can change countries and nations... for christians, women are of the devil, for scientists women are part of the selfish gene, for Islam, women should be covered up and shouldn't be allowed to talk. We are all slowly coming to realise that women are born evil. I think I am just going to throw this out here and say it. Feminism has only shown womens manipulations on the surface. Is that fucking hole between her legs worth it?

    If a woman did not have a hole inbetween her legs, I wonder what the fuck the male species would do with themselves. I certainly do not think they would be hanging around women. Women are the poison that sucks a man dry of his resources, time and finances and only spits him back out when there is nothing left. There is definitely a female hivemind going on. They are as a team, manipulating culture to suit them and they do it very well. Treat ALL women coming from the same hivemind. You're either advancing their poisonus rhetoric or an enemy.

    Also do not be fooled by fourth-wave anti feminist women. They are nothing but captors who will draw you in close before stinging you. Just like the NAWALT women who fuck you over regardless. Heed these warnings.
    I personally don't see it as a good/bad paradigm between the sexes as all that ends up happening is that it absolves men and women from the consequences of the choices they make.. I see it as positive karma sometimes work against you while negative karma can work in your favor. But in the end you still have a choice to make and women often make poor choices even when dealt a good hand while men still find a way to parlay a band hand into a good deal.

    That is why ghosting doesn't seem hard work to me because I go with the flow of what life throws at me. I turn negative things into key benefits or try to see the glass is half full for my own well being.

    For example if women want to dominate collegiate campuses then men should see the key benefits of walking away from university and going into the trades. But that is precisely what many men are doing as they are looking at key benefits even in the face of poor odds, economic uncertainty, and a hit at their "prestige"

    I have to admit it works to a ghosts advantage if people perceive ghosts as not only recluses but also those that lack a "plan". Ghosting isn't something you stumble into all of a sudden but it is definitely a conscious choice by examining the costs/benefits of everything.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    College campus is a good hunting ground for a woman who wants to trap any "career man" she can enslave.

    A long time ago, universities were places where men discussed ways they could find to improve the human
    condition and support a family in the process.

    Those days are long gone.

    Nowadays a man must go his own way, become resourceful, vigilant and hyper-kinetic to be landed by a woman
    for the purpose of family life.

    No thanks.

    We have better things to do.

    Good post, Azure.
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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Ghosting was pretty easy for me, i'm a huge fan of solitude. On some days i did have trouble feeling a little lonely, but the next day i would wake up with a smile and the same optimism i normally 'suffer' from.

    On the bad days, i would have this selective memory where i would only think about the fun times i had with an ex, or the feelings that came with that experience. Nowadays, my train of thought runs right through those good times and straight to everything that was wrong about her and then all of them. The demands for expensive gifts that will never be good enough on Valentine's day, {one even bitched about getting flowers}, the alcohol-induced ravings, the lies and abuse. Sure, i felt those butterflies and that crap they call 'love' many times, but it was always fleeting and not created to sustain any long-term solution. Just the instant gratification, like the hand grenade.

    I was searching for rosebuds in the fire in my youth. Thinking that long term happiness was just finding the right woman to marry. I followed this myth for so long, i feel like most of my life was wasted. Even if i did find such a woman, it would still have been a waste, for the spoils of this adventure would surely not grant me back the time spent looking, dating, etc. So many men spend huge chunks of their lives searching for that unicorn. Sounds pretty fucking stupid now that i look back. Other men waste even bigger chunks of life with a wife. Young lurkers, conquer your biology. Dont let it lead you down a path of waste. Jerk off, get a hooker, whatever you have to do. Just dont fall for that lie called 'love'.

    Oh yeah, we we're talking about ghosting. Deprogramming takes time, but it is possible. Unplug and disconnect yourself from it all, if only for a while to get your head straight. You dont have to go 100% hermit right away or ever. Look at your old blue-pill dreams as what they really are.. childish. You are a grown man now, and a grown man needs no one to make him happy. No one, but himself.
    I refuse to be a part of the Three Ring Circus: Engagement ring. Wedding ring. Suffer ring.

    You can't be king of the world if you're slave to the vag.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    IF someone tells me I have to do something...I know right away they are full of B.S.

    The only things certain in life are death and taxes. Everything else in life you have a choice and anyone trying to say otherwise is trying to pull a fast one on you as a man. That is why ghosting is awesome, because you can sniff out the cow manure faster than the average bear.

    And then proceed to drop a deuce like the smart bear you are in front of the person that tried to manipulate your life reciprocating what you think of their ideas of life.
    Last edited by Azure Nomad; December 6, 2016 at 5:24 AM.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    The wonderful thing about Ghosting is the freedom it brings while not caring or feeling shame from what irrelevant people think. True happiness and peace which comes from within is constantly present in your life and well-being. Focusing on yourself, needs, and wants will only lead to a path of success.

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    Cool Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by Agustin View Post
    The wonderful thing about Ghosting is the freedom it brings while not caring or feeling shame from what irrelevant people think. True happiness and peace which comes from within is constantly present in your life and well-being. Focusing on yourself, needs, and wants will only lead to a path of success.
    I get better at ghosting the more I practice it. At times, it is exhausting.
    So many ways to try not to act like, so many bad attitudes to deflect.
    Just when I detect myself becoming corporeal, life lashes out and stings-
    It pushes my things and me back to my own vortex.

    Too many assholes, not enough toilets.
    The smell of socialism is easy to detect.
    Smells like passive aggressive violence,
    a lack of toilet paper and stagnant air,
    nipples and clitoris erect.

    Too many who lust after ignorance, and hope they can be things.
    The illusion of immortality wants to be fucked.

    Both political parties in the US call them "riots".
    Set any prefix before the word "riots" as you wish to.
    The root word exists in any tense.

    Expect a difference soon.
    Something that doesn't suck.
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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by LastPriory View Post
    Ghosting could possibly be described as:
    "The Art and Science of Presiding over ones' own Self and no other".

    Women naturally think this is "selfish" and "wrong". Women want control.
    Women are also naturally inclined to make false, baseless accusations and
    presume an unrebuttable posture of correctness while falsely attributing their
    posture with our desires.
    MGTOW and other forms of male self-preservation and selfishness are related to a shift between group ideals and individual ideals. After watching the first 45 minutes of the video, I don't think selfishness is a decline. selfishness is only a change, because technology will continue to make community irrelevant. society does not depend of communities, and neither does the individual.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XAzSfqrzPg

    Why Civilizations Rise and Fall | Michael Woodley of Menie and Stefan Molyneux


    the first 45 minutes are about people. the guest talks about society "selection" strategies shifting from community-based to individual-based. each strategy has ideals for personal progress. the community-based strategy promotes "heroes" to benefit the group. the individual-based strategy promotes selfishness to benefit the individual. he gives examples of hard times when community-based social selection and its benefits were most obvious. in easy times, individual-based strategy is better for the individual.

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Of course 'Ghosting' could be difficult to communicate and argue with someone...

    But:

    Isn't the nature of Ghosting to be like a Ghost?! So most of the time I am invisible I also feel no need to discuss the aspects of my Ghosting with Blue Pill persons. And I disappear very fast as a real 'Ghost'. Therefore 'they' can't cause me headaches.

    Besides my freelance job I lived the last six days like a real Ghost (= [hobby] training for my next tournament...) Sometimes my friendly next door neighbour is seeing me. He then asks me if I was on a road trip. Because he didn't saw me a while.

    In my nature Ghosting is also some kind of balance to me: In my job I have a lot of human contacts. Then I need my apartment as a resort. Like Superman's Fortress of Solitude

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    I like to think of ghosting as being able to move through the world in a way others don't seem able. Being able to live in the world but not be noticed I guess.

    I work in a big office building in a big city and have a house in the close-by suburbs. Total train commuter worker bee. I'm middle aged and unremarkable- no neck tats, earrings, jewelry, loud clothes, weird haircut,, etc. I'm literally indistinguishable from millions of other guys. I participate in society socially just enough that people don't think I'm "on the spectrum." I think if you are too removed it brings attention. So I chip in for the birthday cakes at work, go for drinks when everybody else is, accept invitations to dinner parties or lets watch the game Sunday's at friends. I have facebook and when I do these things I'll do one of these updates once and a while so my social life seems ok if some lady from a dating website ends up looking me up. I'm plugged in to some extent, but from my perspective it isn't much work or time. Also, updating FB helps give my 'friends' the impression that I'm very social. They've never realized most of the updates I post are me doing things alone. I don't update much, maybe twice a month. If anybody asks what I did last weekend I always say, "We." This was if I decline an invitation and say I've got plans its totally believable.

    I spend 90% of my life doing things alone. If I go out with people once a week its a lot. Two dates a month and maybe one FWB meeting is kinda normal. That's like three four hour blocks a week. Which to me isn't very much.

    I don't discuss the being alone thing with people, I just do it. I do take steps to fit in, but not to stand out. It allows me freedom of movement.

    This weekend I'm going to a talk about David Bowie by the VP at Rykodisc. I'll hit up the new fancy Italian market for supplies too. I might go to a show at the HOB Sunday night, depends on how I'm feeling and if I'm in to it. The rest of the time I'll be at home working out, reading, hiking the beach with the dog, cooking, whatever.

    For me it is a balance. I do crave being around people, but not so much interacting with them. I find that its very easy to live in the world, go to events, concerts, movies, and dinners all alone.

    As far as dating I treat it as a secondary thing. I have a few FWB's that I see, but its on and off. A few times a month I meet somebody new from Bumble and have a date or two. I use Bumble because the women have to make first contact.

    So I'm curious since I'm new. Given what I've described am I a ghost or just a quiet bachelor? I know really I'm just a man going his own way, but in the context of this site, what am I?

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    Re: Ghosting can be very difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by xcom View Post
    Besides my freelance job I lived the last six days like a real Ghost (= [hobby] training for my next tournament...) Sometimes my friendly next door neighbour is seeing me. He then asks me if I was on a road trip. Because he didn't saw me a while.

    In my nature Ghosting is also some kind of balance to me: In my job I have a lot of human contacts. Then I need my apartment as a resort. Like Superman's Fortress of Solitude
    Bingo, same here.
    I have an exhaustive job with quite some travelling and human contact.
    The last thing after closing the door of my car in the garage after arriving at home is any other human being.

    I (finally) had a week off this week and i have not left my home once. First I think it is poor management if you can not stay at home without constant grocery shopping or buying stuff for projects in progress.

    I started ghosting when I gave up on dating in 2000 or so. Without wanting to meet women much of my existing social circle became kinda useless and I only stuck with some good friends of my childhood.

    We help each other out if one of us has a little problem like feeding the cats when in hospital ...

    I also ghost at work, my only "social event" there is the annual christmas celebration.

    I do not drink at all and even that gets rather boring for me after some alcohol consumption of the others.

    2017 I will be 40 and I think I will either cut back on hours (and money) or work even more and save for an earlier retirement.


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