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    The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    I would like to discuss an issue which I have been struggling with, it is as though I must wear 2 masks, which causes undue stress, anxiety & a potentially grave hazard if I wear the wrong mask at the wrong time.

    Let me start by defining stealth in this context, for me it means a) concealing my identity online & revealing my true opinions, while b) concealing my true opinions offline & revealing my identity.
    In other words, when I am on the forums I can speak my mind although I must be careful not to expose too much information about my identity as that could have grave real world consequences. Whereas offline I cannot speak my mind without risking the aforementioned consequences & my identity is plainly visible.

    I have slipped a number of times & revealed more info online than I would have preferred to in retrospect, this is something which worries me, although I prefer to think that i am just being paranoid, it helps me sleep. Worse than that though is when I let my true feelings slip out in public which is something that occurs more often than it should.

    This is a large part of why I took a hiatus from posting for a better part of the last year as I was on the verge of breaking stealth, it is also part of why I asked to have my alias removed from my old account/profile. Some tragic incidents which occurred where I live have provided me with the cover I needed to conceal my true colors, so to speak. Although I still consider it unfortunate to live under such circumstances, furthermore it is eminently undesirable but necessary for self preservation.

    I don't want to sound cryptic, although I do mean to.

    Do any of you experience such dilemmas & if so, what are your methods, strategies or resources for dealing with them?

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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    A lot depends on who you are speaking with offline and what types of opinions you are trying to conceal. Are you talking about casual conversations or an interrogation?

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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    A lot depends on who you are speaking with offline and what types of opinions you are trying to conceal. Are you talking about casual conversations or an interrogation?
    I am referring mainly to casual conversations with strangers or acquaintances and the opinions I am trying to conceal are the politically incorrect ones, so not just MGTOW related stuff.

    Typically I would simply mind my own business however I am presently searching for a better job, which means I need to interact with more people than I ordinarily would & it goes without saying that I should be on my best behavior in such circumstances. So basically I need to adjust my tone and mind my P's & Q's while still trying to be genuine, easier said than done, luckily I have managed to avoid putting my foot in my mouth thus far, although I can tell I come across as awkward in many instances.

    As far as interrogations go, I have been asked about The Red Pill offline a couple of times but I usually just feign ignorance if it's somebody I am not close to. However, if it's someone I know well I listen first and test the waters by dropping some random tidbits then gauge their reaction. These are things that I consider common knowledge at this point having consumed so much content on these and other forums, however recent experiences have shown that is not the case.

    For instance after the van attack in April there was a lot of talk about Incels, which was a particularly difficult subject to stay button-lipped on given all the misinformation in the media. Another example is the recent shootings, that's another touchy subject that I must choose my words carefully when discussing or better yet just keep my mouth shut.

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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    You need to remember that anything accessed or posted on the Internet is tracked. You are never in Stealth mode.

    Sure there are things that will conceal some stuff or some time, but nothing is comprehensive and permanent. Nothing.


    Keep that in mind for all conversations and you're off to the races. As soon as you say anything, that can and probably will be repeated / referenced / misconstrued with others. The only way to keep information private is to never say anything about it, though the confirmed way is not to do it to begin with.

    Resources are delivered by the exertion of Power. Power is accrued through assertion of knowledge. Hopefully the two will never meet again you.
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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    I think the moral of the story here is: choose words carefully. Both in terms of context and content.

    Thank you for your insights GregBO.

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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    Check Gringo. If you are already controlling your actions, then the only possible issue will result from something you might say.

    When caught off guard by a comment, assertion or question; I rely with "Thank you so much for your insight and I will reflect upon this further."

    It's a polite way to shut down a line of inquiry, as well as giving you an escape route out of the conversation/situation as needed.
    "My comfort animal is a Florida Alligator and I take great comfort every time he eats someone!" - PistolPete

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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    What makes ghosting work is that with time it can provide cover even if you make a mistake as you have found out yourself. I agree with the others that you truly can't ensure everything is confidential when posted online. However, what you can ensure is that if you are consistent enough the majority of the time you are better off than 99% of other people that spill everything on social media.

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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    Quote Originally Posted by ABigSiameseCat View Post
    A lot depends on who you are speaking with offline and what types of opinions you are trying to conceal. Are you talking about casual conversations or an interrogation?
    I find ghosting difficult because I have a strong sense of justice and I am always the barrack room lawyer and have saved many people's careers, but that was when some people at work were real not mangina back stab cnts.

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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    This stealth technique reminds me of being in the forest. Let us say I am looking for a black bear....

    In these mountains there is a bear for every 1.1 square mile. Think about that - there are alot of bears.

    While seeking the bear I must become like something different than a human. This is because a black bear can easily sense a human traveling through the forest acting like a human before the human can sense the bear acting like a bear.

    So I am not a human. I am a deer. I move slowly, like I am browsing twigs. I do not snap twigs on the ground nor swish branches as I go. I often lay on the ground as though napping, on a rise overlooking a stream where a bear is likely to wander - perhaps the place on the stream where I just crossed.

    The wind is going in the opposite direction of the line between where the bear is likely to be and me. Therefore the bear cannot smell me or even hear me very well. A bear has poor eyesight. If he somehow spots me he may very well stop and try to focus and hear and smell me.

    Often a bear will follow a short distance behind me. The bear is seeking to know more about what I am doing.

    Say a rabbit unexpectedly runs right past me. The bear is likely nearby and is moving - perhaps to figure out what the smell I am is. The rabbit is very sensitive to hearing and smell as is the bear so this means something has spooked it.

    Listen to the birds and squirrels. They will squawk or chatter nearby where a bear is walking. Keep aware of what direction the noise is.

    Eventually I can come upon the bear because the bears attention over the course of hours will become less and less.

    I think you can apply this same relative manner of stealth technique in the human world, of course with various changes but the basics remain.

    Travel through the human world as a re-creation of yourself. Be who you want to be when you want to be and everything can be yours.
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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    Interesting post Mt Moriah. I have always assumed the persona of a Weasel. Might is not always right it is cunning and guile that always wins.

    Tally ho!


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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    Much can be learnt form the Red Fox I believe.


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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    Yes, but a weasel does not travel like a deer and black bears never kill people (exceedingly rare). Brown bears do not live in New Hampshire - only black bears.

    In addition my everyday carry forest rifle is a .375 H&H Magnum. I call it "a poor mans 50 caliber rifle" as well as a 9mm Khar semiautomatic handgun. The .375 H&H Magnum rifle will take anything down, with body armor or not. Moose, elephants, rhino, everything.

    NH is an open carry rifle and handgun state.

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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    Very good I'sallbs,

    Did you know that originally there were only grey foxes in North America? However grey foxes can climb trees so they did not make for good sport hunting. Red foxes where imported from Europe and have been here in the wild ever since.

    Also enjoy weasels and ermines. I've seen them chasing mice and chipmunks - they seem to be very determined and intelligent.
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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    Quote Originally Posted by MtMoriah View Post
    Very good I'sallbs,

    Did you know that originally there were only grey foxes in North America? However grey foxes can climb trees so they did not make for good sport hunting. Red foxes where imported from Europe and have been here in the wild ever since.

    Also enjoy weasels and ermines. I've seen them chasing mice and chipmunks - they seem to be very determined and intelligent.
    Interesting tell me more about that...

    What are your views on the Pine Martin

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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    Wll then, this is a conversation about bears now is it, why not?

    I never met a bear in my life I didn't like, they like to rummage through the refuse in garbage dumps, but those are just brown bears. Pandas are so inept at existing that there are agencies devoted to preserving the species, gotta love 'em. Polars Bears I would not get near without the proper gauge handy, same story for Black Bears.

    I once watched a film about a maneater, a Kodiak if memory serves right.


    Not this kind of maneater, by the way:
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...?term=maneater

    There's a quote that from the film comes to mind, being that I'm talking to a true to life survivalist:
    Charles Morse: You know, I once read an interesting book which said that, uh, most people lost in the wilds, they, they die of shame.
    Stephen: What?
    Charles Morse: Yeah, see, they die of shame. "What did I do wrong? How could I have gotten myself into this?" And so they sit there and they... die. Because they didn't do the one thing that would save their lives.
    Robert Green: And what is that, Charles?
    Charles Morse: Thinking.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-eater
    Although bears rarely attack humans, bear attacks often cause devastating injuries due to the size and immense strength of the giant land and shoreline carnivores. As with dogs, predatory intent is not necessary; territorial disputes and protection of cubs can result in death by bear attack. Truly man-eating bear attacks are uncommon, but are known to occur when the animals are diseased or natural prey is scarce, often leading them to attack and eat anything they are able to kill.
    Lone, predatory black bears are responsible for most human attacks in the United States and Canada, according to a study from 2011. Unlike female bears, motivated to attack humans to protect cubs, male black bears actually prey on humans, viewing them as a potential food source.
    Chuck Wepner once wrestled a bear, Victor was his name, but that was a famous bear.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSJiv0LpZs
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    Re: The Double Duality Of Stealthing

    GS, I think you have it down good. By reading your first 2 posts in this thread, it sounds like all those things serve you well.

    As for me, I simply don't discuss this with anyone. I come a little close but still feign innocence when a single never married guy I know in his mid forties will ask me about this way of life some men live. (mgtow) He doesn't know that acronym, & is on to something, but still doesn't know much.

    I'd like to discuss this with him, but I choose to let him explain it to me. I take a "no kidding"?, "Oh, I see" approach. I basically dummy up.

    There are various reasons for this, the foremost is that we have several acquaintances in common. I never want to reveal the way I live should this group ever be in the same room, & it can happen. True I do avoid groups over 4. No phobias here. It's just that people are inherently nosey busybodies, & invariably the conversation will turn to me. "So, do you date?, Why not? I know a nice single woman........"

    I'm prepared for all that way ahead of time. If you ever watch the first Jason Bourne movie, Bourne is 1 or 2 steps ahead of his pursuers.
    Of course, it's a movie, but it fascinates me to the point that I could work mentally to try & be a few steps ahead of the noseys. What questions are they most likely to ask? what would be a natural, honest response? Plan my disinterest accordingly, not always having to be at the center of attention. Seem boring. Tell bad jokes at the wrong time, etc.....It's amazing how one could craft a life of ghosting. There is no one way. You can make it up as you go. I just keep reading here, amazing what you become. All without hurting anyone, lying, or deceiving anyone.

    People tend to believe what they see, no matter how 'perceptive' they want to believe they are.


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