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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    I was brought to this forum after reading Rollo's post about MGTOW and Octavian's response. I've lurked at Roosh's forum and step one for every game newbie usually boiled down to "buy Roosh's book". Keep in mind, this was from other forum members. They loved to jump in and promote Roosh's income, basically. Funny to watch.

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    Follow the money, gents. Follow the money. Any cursory read over philosophy, the poets, or the biographies of great men point out how the losing strategy of life is investing so much time on chasing women. Benjamin Franklin actually became Benjamin Franklin when he examined his life, found out that he would be nothing if he kept going for these 'low women', and invested his time in more profitable pleasures.

    There is a saying for money which applies equally for sex (as sex is money... a type of exchange).

    Some people want to be comfortable in getting sex. (beta behavior. They even ape what they see on TV sitcoms and romance shows!)

    Some people want to be right in getting sex. (Religious/Moral/PUA behavior. They are always right, and everyone else is always wrong.)

    Some people want to win. (And sometimes the best way to win in the market is to not invest in that market at all.)

    I live life on my terms. PUAs cannot do this. There is no way money can be obtained from MGTOWs either.

    You will see an alliance between PUAs and women against MGTOWs. They want the same exact thing: money from men. When a PUA's car breaks down and needs repairing, does he fix it himself? Does he call one of his women? No. He has to give money to a man, maybe even a beta male who he despises, to fix his car.

    What I'm seeing is a pattern. When men enjoy and have much pleasure from life without the presence of women, women get extremely upset. Apparently, PUAs get extremely upset too. And why? It is because they can't siphon money from such men. It is the life of a parasite.

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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Macavity View Post

    You will see an alliance between PUAs and women against MGTOWs. They want the same exact thing: money from men. When a PUA's car breaks down and needs repairing, does he fix it himself? Does he call one of his women? No. He has to give money to a man, maybe even a beta male who he despises, to fix his car.

    What I'm seeing is a pattern. When men enjoy and have much pleasure from life without the presence of women, women get extremely upset. Apparently, PUAs get extremely upset too. And why? It is because they can't siphon money from such men. It is the life of a parasite.
    100%. I'm always thinking about that. Why is it such a big fucking deal to PUAs when men aren't subscribing to their lifestyle?

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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Patriarch View Post
    Exactly.

    Men Are Nothing More Than Clowns To The Modern Woman

    All the shaming aside, the fact remains that going your own way beats the hell out of being a clown. I have my dignity and ill be taking that to the grave with me.
    Yup that is the article. This only reinforces why a lot of PUA eventually decide to go MGTOW. It is hard to put on the facade for long period of time instead of just being true to yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Yup that is the article. This only reinforces why a lot of PUA eventually decide to go MGTOW. It is hard to put on the facade for long period of time instead of just being true to yourself.
    And it seems like PUAs are glorifying the clown facade while condemning it at the same time. I think if interacting with a woman feels like you're entertaining her like a clown, you've already lost. It doesn't amount to any personal fulfillment as a man - it's mutually exclusive with an organic interaction. I'm not even sure that men playing out this clown dynamic come off as attractive most of the time. It basically means she's using you in the same way she would use a beta offering her favors - you're just a quick segment of entertainment - equivalent to flipping through the channels on a TV.

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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggets View Post
    And it seems like PUAs are glorifying the clown facade while condemning it at the same time. I think if interacting with a woman feels like you're entertaining her like a clown, you've already lost. It doesn't amount to any personal fulfillment as a man - it's mutually exclusive with an organic interaction. I'm not even sure that men playing out this clown dynamic come off as attractive most of the time. It basically means she's using you in the same way she would use a beta offering her favors - you're just a quick segment of entertainment - equivalent to flipping through the channels on a TV.

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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Chairborne View Post
    I'm surprised and disappointed he would interpret it that way. I respected what he had to say about female psychology. Given all he knows, given all he's documented about feminine hystrionics, narcisism, opportunism, hypocrisy... How can he completely deride our decision to restrict interaction?

    Lazy? Seriously?

    I work a full time and a part-time job, run a D&D game, x-country ski or bicycle more km in a month than most people in my city drive, lift weights, practise with my band twice a week, and modded the fuck out of this forum for 10 months straight (before I had to cut back a bit).

    Yeah, I'm disappointed. Ah well. When he gets an STD and a false rape accusation and some paternity fraud on his ass, maybe he'll come around.
    No worries. It all comes down to second grade shit: If other men don't care about how much pussy he, or others like him get (or claim to get), it makes their 'accomplsihments' completely futile. So, it comes down to, "You don't do what I do? Then you're a doody-dumb-dumb-ding-dong."

    Come on Chairborne, don't you want to give up those cool hobbies to spend money and chase tail you might not even get? And the drama that comes with it? What the hell is the matter with you?

    Fuck Roosh, PUA's, blue pillers,etc....fuck the world while I'm at it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Indianajohn View Post
    yep, pussy makes you stupid...
    Amen sir.

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    Roosh will hopefully come around. He has shown cracks several times in the past, even recently.

    Sad the stigma against p4p which anti-male society fosters leads to such wasted time and potential by men who could do so much more with their lives than spend it attempting to get some, often mediocre, pussy.

    Sane, productive societies need acceptable p4p culture. At least until sex robots or VR are perfected enough. Then it won't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairborne View Post
    When he gets an STD and a false rape accusation and some paternity fraud on his ass, maybe he'll come around.
    From what I've read of Roosh, he likes "raw dogging" ie; having sex with girls he picks up in clubs without a condom.

    Is this guy nuts!

    The risk of STD's, pregnancy and bunny boilers is just not worth it.

    Roosh's view on "raw dogging" does not promote the well being of men. In fact, it puts men at risk.

    The pursuit of pussy pleasure at the expense of your health (physical/ financial/ social) isn't a good way to live.

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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    Maybe the reason he is into bare back ridin' is because he already has a smorgasbord of disease... which would be quite an indictment of his morality of true. Not saying it's the case, but it's the only rational (if utterly selfish) reason I can come up with. Though as you point out, he may not be thinking rationally.

    He recently chastised the guys at reddit.com/r/theredpill. Went on a rant about how they are ingrates for not recognizing him as the 'father of The Red Pill'. I won't link it but if you want to hunt it down it's on his channel, published 22 May 2015, called 'Schism With The Red Pill'. Great video response here:

    https://youtu.be/pEA9wbpa4fc

    Of course reddit.com/r/theredpill gives away for free what he is trying to monetize. That's why he attacks it. Discussed in detail here:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/..._the_red_pill/
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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Coast Dog View Post
    From what I've read of Roosh, he likes "raw dogging" ie; having sex with girls he picks up in clubs without a condom.

    Is this guy nuts!

    The risk of STD's, pregnancy and bunny boilers is just not worth it.

    Roosh's view on "raw dogging" does not promote the well being of men. In fact, it puts men at risk.

    The pursuit of pussy pleasure at the expense of your health (physical/ financial/ social) isn't a good way to live.
    Yep. This is the reason why I can't take his forum seriously. There's all this endless shaming of men who don't want to rawdog. WTF? It just shows that the posters are all about parroting his beliefs. It defies all logic and common sense with how far they go attacking the use of condoms.
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    Thanks for the links. The Reddit stuff is informative.

    In the YouTube, Roosh says that Reddit was controlled by feminists. I guess that was him attacking what he doesn't like.

    I also got a laugh when he said that in 10 years there will only be him and MRA.

    Overall, I think Roosh knows how to play his target audience. That target audience seems to be younger guys who can't get laid and think Roosh's books will solve their problem.

    As the saying goes...there's a sucker born every minute.

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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    To be completely honest, I think Roosh is angry that MGTOW has the potential to trim his pocketbook. If more men became MGTOW, he runs the risk of losing sales.

    I have never bought any of his products nor took any of his information seriously. Why does waste his time chasing women? What could he possibly get? I canít believe he travels around the world looking for those toxic creatures.

    Why not just enjoy the culture/views/food of a foreign land?

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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    here is a discussion i am enjoying, learning about what is going on with roosh, who i don't know about. https://youtu.be/HjJrNkp4dCo
    its also a little relevant to current events, talking about the image of conservatism.

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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    Translation: MGTOW Hurts my snake oil sales.

    Lazy?

    Work
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    What should I be doing? Oh wise master.

    I'm tired of this "I'm 'alpha' bra" bullshit. Men who put pussy on the back burner make his 'accomplishments' useless. So he resorts to 9 year old shit.

    Who cares exactly what this tool says anyway?

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    Re: Roosh on MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggets View Post
    And it seems like PUAs are glorifying the clown facade while condemning it at the same time. I think if interacting with a woman feels like you're entertaining her like a clown, you've already lost. It doesn't amount to any personal fulfillment as a man - it's mutually exclusive with an organic interaction. I'm not even sure that men playing out this clown dynamic come off as attractive most of the time. It basically means she's using you in the same way she would use a beta offering her favors - you're just a quick segment of entertainment - equivalent to flipping through the channels on a TV.
    The irony is that a lot of PUA companies and even individual instructors are now shifting their focus more back to dating advice/self improvement instead of a quick lay. Like a pendulum things are changing because as many of these PUA's have hit their 30's and 40's. And these PUA's they realize hitting the club scene day in and day out to game is not sustainable. They also have had the epiphany that you can game in other places than the club scene and avoid marriage/knocking up a party girl is actually a blessing after you are the age of 30. The world is your oyster while former PUA's have turned into doormats because their baby mama's have them locked down 24/7.


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