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    What is Recreational Game (RecGame)?

    If you haven't heard of the term RecGame, don't worry that's because I made it up.

    The idea behind it though has meaning. We are men and we have a sex drive. So what is the sexual strategy for MGTOWs? RecGame is the way to define, at least for some, what form that sexual strategy may take.

    Before I begin, let's note that sexual strategy can come in extremes. On one end, you have Abstinence. On the other, you have Obsessive Game. And there are alternatives such as: self-service (ie: masturbation), and p4p.

    For now, we'll focus on that middle ground which is about lining up sexual options in the form of: friends with benefits, plates (girls you don't "date" per-se but have a casual, sexual relationship; ie: you don't call each other "boyfriend" or "girlfriend"), and dating. There are also one-night stands. For many guys, the idea of creating these options has some attraction.

    Great. But how does RecGame differ from what is typically thought of as Game? Here is where man's capacity for nuance is important. RecGame does not differ from normal Game in any way, as far as technique. It's not as though MGTOWs are inventing anything different when it comes to the battle-tested techniques formed by legends of Game. But there are differences to how MGTOWs think about and apply Game ("RecGame") compared to how PUAs think about and apply Game ("Obsessive Game"). (let's remember, PUAs don't "own" the idea of Game. We can think of PUA as a worldview and mentality and Game as a set of techniques to build attraction in women. MGTOWs can come to Game techniques and build a different worldview/mindset on top of it, just as PUAs have.)

    MGTOWs don't adopt the "pussy worshipping" mode that some PUAs have. Instead, MGTOWs economize their creation of sexual options. This means that MGTOWs don't get mired or caught up in the game itself. For obsessive PUAs, it's easy to lose sight of the goal and get lost in the "challenge" of answering 50-shit tests just to get a phone # on an online dating site. PUAs, in prioritizing the pursuit, condone all kinds of shitty female behavior because "women are women" after all (or so they rationalize it). It's possible for obsessive PUAs to get lost in the game. MGTOWs never lose sight of the big picture. RecGame is about creating these options; and the goal is creating these options, not being the greatest handler of twats, ever. MGTOWs begin by taming their sexual instinct, and then satisfying it; not yielding to the oversexualization of modern society, overvaluing sex, and then using Game as a mad-dash to somehow satisfy this out-of-control beast (often at the expense of much else in life) as certain PUAs do.

    In real terms, how do the differences of RecGame and Obsessive Game manifest? PUAs value notch count. Quantity matters. A 'greater' PUA has 3 or 4 plates at any given time, and it goes on and on in terms of real or imaginary conquests, the quality of the conquests, what he was able to get her to do, etc. When you get into this territory, clearly there is an overarching assumption that these sexual feats matter for one's status or worth. Instead, MGTOWs seek to create those options to satisfy their sexual needs, not for validation or one-upsmanship. A MGTOW would never assume that because he's mastered Game, and because he notched 50 bangs this year, he is a "better man". The goal is satisfying one's sex drive, not making satisfaction of sex drive somehow paramount in one's life or one's sense of self.

    Those who practice RecGame shouldn't be contemptuous of Game. They should increase their verbal fluency. They should understand being successful with women isn't about "being themselves" but rather a separate set of skills to connect with women; that means right-brain, association, adopting inner game, etc. Understand the components of Presence and Frame. If someone thinks "Man, I don't want to do a thing for a tw*t, she should pleasure me, I don't care if she gets anything out of sex, etc." - this may not be for you. Whereas MGTOWs may be suspect of how much importance PUAs give to Game in the definition of a man's worth, and also their macro-view with respect to Game and perhaps question the legitimacy of some of the boasts of PUA conquests -- Game itself works. Anyone who's tried techniques taught by Mystery or others can see that female psychology is unique and requires technique that men often aren't exposed to ordinarily (unless they're Naturals).

    I will add that I believe RecGame does not put pussy above all else. RecGame still recognizing the importance of male fraternity. To that end, it does not emphasize techniques such as: boyfriend-destroyer techniques, targeting other men's girlfriends or wives, abusing AMOG techniques against other men. Pussy matters but so does having a soul.

    There is a mental threshold MGTOWs have to cross when studying and applying Game. Some think "Well, we're engaging in pussy worship again by going out and trying to attract women". Not the case. First let's remember, most of us don't have contempt for women. We believe their mate selection criteria is wholly flawed today. We believe they don't generally make good LTR partners anymore. We recognize their numerous flaws, hypergamous behavior, etc. But women are not irredeemable. We encounter women that can make good conversation, that make reasonable co-workers, that may even be friends. They are not "evil"; and they have positive traits that can be cultivated, provided we are on guard for what we know to be their biological and culturally influenced behavior. Women can "add value" as casual partners- and that's a relationship they've been trained by our modern culture to appreciate and perform well in. The casual sex relationship is what all TV shows teach them is normal behavior and a suitable alternative to the institution of marriage. Game is honest because it is more forthright about sexual intentions. It is NOT praising a woman, doing things for her but rather having the capabilities to lead her into a sexual relationship where she knows that's what she's getting into; as well as calling her on her BS...and finally having the mentality of abundance to drop a plate when maintenance costs more than the benefit.

    The idea of economizing the creation of sexual options is something I hope we can discuss more. I have some ideas along these lines from my personal experience. Beyond that, we will post basic Game theory here.

    As I think about it, all of the following options are valid:
    • Online dating
    • Offline pickup
    • Courting FWBs amongst people you know, ex-college friends, etc.
    • Using areas where you have high-status to maximize success in creating sexual options


    I want to end by adding two comments:

    -If you don't want to have anything to do with Game, don't. It's totally fine; but don't post in this sub-forum. We don't want people detracting from the idea of Game itself. If you disbelieve it, that's okay. If you are concerned about what women are "capable of" and how they might track you down, and "oops babies" and all else- there is the rest of the Forum to participate in. This sub-forum is for those willing to take the risks and who value the rewards.

    -The mentality to be a MGTOW and do Game is not that complicated when you consider the fact that they are not in conflict. Some may ask "Well, if MGTOWs avoid women and don't think much of them, why would you hit on them?". We don't dislike women and most of us don't avoid them. Women are attracted to men. Men are attracted to women. We may not see eye to eye in a feminist world all the time- especially where LTR/marriage is concerned. And even a short-term relationship involves more on a man's part to handle her errant tendencies (reinforced by feminism) but none of that is inconsistent with the red-pill understanding that is MGTOW.

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    For those who want to go this route, I welcome your contribution to the definition and building of the concept of RecGame.
    Last edited by jagrmeister; March 26, 2014 at 12:28 AM.

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    Re: What is Recreational Game (RecGame)?

    A great post .

    Some other ideas I'll toss in the mix.Note that creating an FWB arrangement with traditional Mystery Method game is somewhat tricky ,because MM is designed to jack up a woman's emotional attachment to the PUA in a short time. This doesn't matter when the goal is a long term relationship, and in fact it's a desireable for that case. When you're trying to arrange a non comitted FWB , however,you've botched your escape plan because she's emotionally invested now- and if you sever the association ,she will not.

    Another corallary: decide right now what your limits are, morally and financially. As you execute "RecGame" you'll discover the easiest lays are from married and "committed" women. If your personal code of ethics forbids interacting with claimed women- and I don't fault this idea one bit, BTW- I'd shit can the use of direct game right here and now.To verify if a chick really is unattached you'll need to integrate yourself into her social group first, which is a type of game beyond that covered here.

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    Re: What is Recreational Game (RecGame)?

    Excellent post.

    Some may ask "Well, if MGTOWs avoid women and don't think much of them, why would you hit on them?"
    To this I would say that I don't avoid them. I'm just not going to spend a lot of time and $$ pursuing them.

    With that said, I would just add that time and money seem like they would be a big factor to this idea of Game of GYOW. Time, money > pussy. For me it's not a good investment. Online dating would be a huge waste of time for me, but I know other people are successful with it. I have what I like to think of as a long range plan. I consistently plant seeds which will be harvested at a later date and this gets me about as much sex as I want (or can stand) pretty consistently. I never need it "right now" so this gives me time to set things in motion. For example, I have a friend that was one of those "who got away". We've never hooked up, but the attraction is there. Hell, she asked me out on date the first time. The last time she was in town, I had a girlfriend. Now I don't. Out of the blue, I texted her two nights ago and asked her when she was coming into town. Turns out in just a few weeks. I said "OK, good. We have unfinished business." She took that and ran with it. Been getting texts every day. The point is, this is very low level of effort. When she comes into town we will go out...to a place that I was going to go to anyway...and I bet she'll trade rounds with me. I'll be good for a month after.

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    I'm all for RecGame and have some questions to you guys...

    From experience I know that most women leave the interaction if you're fully honest and open about only wanting FWB and nothing serious. Is spinning plates and creating FWB not only obtainable if you let them fall for you and not stating your real intentions?

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    Re: What is Recreational Game (RecGame)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Axis View Post
    I'm all for RecGame and have some questions to you guys...

    From experience I know that most women leave the interaction if you're fully honest and open about only wanting FWB and nothing serious. Is spinning plates and creating FWB not only obtainable if you let them fall for you and not stating your real intentions?
    The trouble with that approach is women associate time in a relationship as a future dated financial payoff. In an openly stated FWB arrangement, she has no justification for trying to advance the relationship, which means you retain control of the progression to an extent.

    When she's under the impression it's a no shit relationship, it makes hitting the brakes a lot harder. She'll give it up like a playboy model at first because she expects to root you soon, but once you've made it clear A) she's not going to be wife material and B) you hustled her up to this point, the resulting blowback will make the Second Gulf War look like a personal spat. Think crazy female, lots of drama, bricks through car windows, random dudes at three AM calling or banging on your door.

    Keep things honest. If you lie,best be able to get out of town in a hurry once she realizes she's being played.

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    Re: What is Recreational Game (RecGame)?

    Hey Axis: before I moved for a new job, I had two FWBs for a few years. I would see less of them when they had a BF which never really lasted that long. In both cases, we never overtly discussed FWB. We hooked up on first meeting and I think that set the tone for our "relationship" - one I met at a club, the other was a girl I went to college with years ago and we got back in touch. Girl #1 I hooked up within an hour and a half at a salsa club, and we were in the backseat of my SUV. Because we "met" that way, there was never any path to a normal relationship, though we honestly did try and realized we just weren't socially compatible. So we would meet up for drinks in the evening, and continued to hook up. We would not text each other or call each other except for coordinating these meetups at a bar, and go from there. I think the first encounter defines the "relationship" and if you try to traditionally date someone (ie: dinner date) - they are not cool about just being a FWB.

    I think it was just the dynamics of our interaction. I couldn't see myself marrying either girl and I think they thought the same of me. I have muscles, and am in good shape and maybe that has appeal to them. If you're the kind of guy girls get clingy with, my advice may not be the most relevant.

    Now in a new town, I'm going to apply RecGame- especially focusing on venues where I have social status. Should be amusing. I could theorize but I'd like to get in the field and see what happens.

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    Re: What is Recreational Game (RecGame)?

    Quote Originally Posted by dr_bloodmoney View Post
    To this I would say that I don't avoid them. I'm just not going to spend a lot of time and $$ pursuing them.
    Based on your avatar, I was going to guess that you don't avoid them but that you deny them your "essence".
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