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    Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    "Game is the beginning of understanding women, not the end of it."

    When I set out to understand pickup all those years ago, I was doing it to find the ideal girlfriend. What eventually happened is I got a front row seat to the hidden world of how women really behave, and not the fairy tale everyone else said it is.

    Now that I-along with many aware men-see the green code behind the walls of the social matrix, we can come to why pickup is only so effective.

    Ultimately the woman is in the catbird seat in picking who gets laid. Unlike true scientific disciplines, in the pickup world there's a lot of methods and a lot of liars.I remember gaming with a fellow military member who was a top poster with a good notch count. I remember meeting him thinking "fuck yeah, we're gonna bang the whole town".

    His idea of " hot HB9s" consisted of two underage girls at a dive bar. As in high school kids. When time game to game women old enough to buy their drinks, he folded faster then a lawnchair with a piano dropped on it.

    Most guys with the bootcamps and flashy ads might have a high notch count, but its not because of game-he fucked ugly/ underage/ or emotionally damaged women.No big secret there.

    Game will get you close to the girl conversationally-but she's the one with the harem of guys . Even fat women have at least two dudes they can call on speed dial for sex if they have to.Unless the girl derives some kind of social or material power from your association, youre not taking her pants off.

    Unless she's in between dudes on rotation, considers you a worthy provider, or thinks she can mold you into the latter, your tight game gets you a smile and a lonely night by yourself. No woman's gonna risk her current rotation of guys-especially the attention of the "Prime Mark" she's actually after- on a newcomer.In the years to come
    I see the day coming where, like tribal days, men dont get any unless theyre in a pre-defined social group where the women know him.


    Ive got stories proving this, but its not the point. What is: dont beat yourself up too much if your efforts to get some go up in smoke , because the day's coming soon where cold approaches will be like calling girls from a payphone.
    In university now , you dont even approach women cold unless you want a rep as a stone badass-or a creeper in meed of some alone time at the campus jail if you dont have the "Alpha Looks". Today, in feminized America your best bet to get some is to leave the game night clothes at home and participate in some social gathering like a rock climbing club , building social currency then gaming the women in that closed group.

    Running sets at a nightclub is nearly obsolete, especially since every decently attractive woman there will already have an Alpha Stud on speed dial.Daygame may still work so long as the interaction feels spontaneous and low key-but even there, youll have to invite your girl to some social activity and then escalate.
    Youre not just DHV'ing among the guys on site at the area youre with her -you also have to demonstrate higher value then her current harem of unseen dudes you dont know -but she does.You cant do that in one night unless youre lucky.

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    No kidding! I stated out reading up on the Nice Guy Syndrome, which led me to PUA material and female psychology in general so I could be more successful with females, but when you learn the whole truth, you realize just how worthless females are and then strive to live your life without them.

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    Today, in feminized America your best bet to get some is to leave the game night clothes at home and participate in some social gathering like a rock climbing club , building social currency then gaming the women in that closed group.

    Running sets at a nightclub is nearly obsolete,
    And isn't that the way it ought to be? There's another more hopeful way of reading this post, that we are not witnessing a "feminization" but that The Great Regression has run its course; that women - real, actual women, not people with opinions on the interweb - have seen the consequences of unrestricted hypergamy and sluttery and are rejecting it.

    The truth about the Great Regression is that it's actually cyclic. We've always had periods of licentiousness and periods of chastity and wholesomness. The engine driving this cycle is this:

    Men are decent and honorable -> women cheating on their beta provider simps with alphas
    Women are abusive sluts -> men become red pill players.
    Men are untrustworthy cads -> women retreat to traditional values
    Women retreat to traditional values -> men become decent and honorable to score a woman

    Has anything changed recently? Will the internet alter this dynamic? I don't know.

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    Oh - another theory. Nightclub game is obsolete because Tinder. Girls that are DTF are on tinder, girls that are at the nightclub are not DTF. The guys are abandoning the clubs for that reason and good riddance - the bitches turned them into feminized spaces. The biggest indicator of this? The music - women are mostly unmusical. Listen to any 80's cock rock and be amazed at its melodic content (it actually has some), it's harmonic structure (ditto). They threw the rock music out of the bars and installed DJs: cheaper, and the bitches love it.

    -- the rest of this post I have moved to "rants" --

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    reminds me of that old saying: "you can love women or you can understand women. But you cannot do both, because once you understand women, you realize there isn't much to love."
    No matter how attractive a woman is. No matter how beautiful she is. Somewhere, out there, some guy is sick of her shit.

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    Truth is not the end of something but merely the beginning.

    Most humans got it the other way around. They think truth is the be all and end all of everything. Wrong. Truth is the beginning. The end is enlightenment and coming to terms with it.

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    Gaming woman was over for me once I realized i have to put on a mask that can never be myself. I realized that when I accept to wear this mask in order to fuck a medusa i´m as guilty as everyone else giving power to this mess we are in. Now, i choose never to fuck again as to wear a mask from someone I dont consider as a friend so to say. So game over for me
    And I agree about truth. To have found truth in something just opens up another door, a new door to something new. There is no end or beginning just a journey to more truth or decepetion. We choose

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    Moving to the Game sub-forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian
    leave the game night clothes at home and participate in some social gathering like a rock climbing club , building social currency then gaming the women in that closed group.
    Agreed with Octavian, gaming - in the "classic" sense - is dead.

    I have had two recent FWBs. One was a woman I dated a while back and she came back to town for a visit, the other was met through mutual acquaintances at a house party. So I've had no need to go to a club or anything (and in my early 40's, it would be nearly pointless anyways).

    If (and it's a big if) I were to decide to get back into females, the strategy I'd use would be something I call "localized alpha" and it's similar to what Octavian describes above. It's not synonymous with the Red Pill concept of "Alpha Male of Group" or AMOG. AMOG means whatever social situation you're in, you should be the alpha male and dominate the others. Conversely, "localized alpha" is different in that I would seek out environments where I could be the local alpha, and establish myself therein.

    I have a few skills and interests that I could exploit; skiing, music, or the army reserve.

    - So having great cardio, I could join a running club and easily demonstrate my value there with my performance.
    - Or I could put up an ad at the local university's music department for a female vocalist to sing on one song for my jazz trio. Not letting the female into the band mind you, just as a session vocalist. I'd then turn auditions into a female-selection process - collect a phone numbers and see if there are any who are down to be potentially more than just a vocalist.
    - In the military, I could (but never would) hit on females outside of my unit and trade, and impress them with my rank and rack (medals).

    In each of these cases, I would be seeking out environments where my natural strengths, practised skills or accomplishments set me apart. Excepting the Army one, the others are female-rich environments.

    An important point here: This strategy requires that you actually have a skill or a talent. Whether you're gaming broads, willfully celibate, or whatever... I strongly encourage every MGTOW to pursue self-improvement regardless. If you have a natural talent, great. If you don't, choose an endeavour and pursue improvement - and eventually excellence. It'll help you in other aspects of life too, including self-fulfillment, pride, and can even make you social / professional connections or possibly new friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Oh - another theory. Nightclub game is obsolete because Tinder. Girls that are DTF are on tinder, girls that are at the nightclub are not DTF. The guys are abandoning the clubs for that reason and good riddance - the bitches turned them into feminized spaces. The biggest indicator of this? The music - women are mostly unmusical. Listen to any 80's cock rock and be amazed at its melodic content (it actually has some), it's harmonic structure (ditto). They threw the rock music out of the bars and installed DJs: cheaper, and the bitches love it.

    -- the rest of this post I have moved to "rants" --
    As one of the older guys here that can actually remember a time before the Disco Era, let me tell you that girls/women in nightclubs were never DTF. If you ever scored in that environment it was dumb luck; as in even a three legged dog catches a rabbit every once in a while. And one of the worst things that ever happened to me was scoring in that environment; she became my first wife and first ex-wife after a long (at least it seemed long) and pain filled marriage. Sometimes striking out is the best thing that ever happened to you.

    A man with the screen name of Bonecker (a chiropractor by trade after abandoning the mental health industry as too hostile to men) said long ago, women only go to nightclubs to inflate their egos and to cause trouble (usually lets you and him fight.)

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    Gaming became obsolete the day I realized that in a few hours of work revenue I can immediately afford to stroll down to a place that has a 100% success rate and a vested interest in performing well for my satisfaction. Can I meet, greet and close a woman in 3 hours or less? Nope. But work those hours and poof ... satisfaction almost guaranteed.

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to game women today and waste my time when a physical release with a woman can be achieved in a few hours work. And I get better and deeper conversations about issues, ideas and everything with men. Why? Because men use logic and reason.

    I'm also old enough to not need hand holding or sunshine blown up my ass when I'm feeling up against the wall. You just analyze it, double down and drive on.
    And I can make my own damn sandwich.

    Cynical and misogynistic? Yep. But seriously, what value is a woman today beyond sandwiches and sex?
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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    I've been eyeing the cost vs benefit of budgeting for a biweekly visit from a maid and with a bi-weekly massage parlor visit...

    If I can find one that will do both, It would probably be cheaper than having a girlfriend...And, I could spend more time making money rather than doing chores...

    Got a FWB on the table right now but, my apartment needs a good cleaning...I'd rather make my own sammiches anyways...

    If I had a dog walker, a maid, and a masseuse on rotation, I could work and go to school for that cert I want, come home to a clean house, maybe a sammich or two, and have more time to relax...

    But, my local society, my family and peers, would probably harp on me louder about how I need a girlfriend or a wife, to drain the rest of the life out of me...

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    About game being obsolete I have another angle on it.

    The reason why I think game was so effective was because only a small percentage of the male population was using it. The womenfolk weren't used to it and by and large it worked. But now any 16 year old kid with a laptop can learn it, therefor increasing women's exposure to it. My belief is somewhere down the line they will culturally adapt to game and it will be harder and harder to game them.

    In a strange way I view this as a SMP arms race in which side can bullshit the other better.

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Target View Post
    About game being obsolete I have another angle on it.

    The reason why I think game was so effective was because only a small percentage of the male population was using it. The womenfolk weren't used to it and by and large it worked. But now any 16 year old kid with a laptop can learn it, therefor increasing women's exposure to it. My belief is somewhere down the line they will culturally adapt to game and it will be harder and harder to game them.

    In a strange way I view this as a SMP arms race in which side can bullshit the other better.
    That would be a valid point-if a lot of guys used game and understood women. Most don't. The typical guy is still wired into the 'serve women' mindset, so even if he does know game he won't be playing very long. Once a girl locks him down , he's out of the mix -and with the laws being what they are, he's gone for good.
    A teen who uses game today could be jailed if he games the wrong girl in school. Game gets you laid, but it won't teach you how to avoid the Matriarchy.

    One of the biggest issues with game is that most guys don't have the mindset to use it without ruining their lives. I brought a guy under my wing years back, and the result was him knocking up an overweight HB5.9.

    Guys who are good at it have to watch their six, and since most don't I doubt many girls are actually exposed to it frequently.

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chairborne View Post
    Moving to the Game sub-forum.



    Agreed with Octavian, gaming - in the "classic" sense - is dead.

    I have had two recent FWBs. One was a woman I dated a while back and she came back to town for a visit, the other was met through mutual acquaintances at a house party. So I've had no need to go to a club or anything (and in my early 40's, it would be nearly pointless anyways).

    If (and it's a big if) I were to decide to get back into females, the strategy I'd use would be something I call "localized alpha" and it's similar to what Octavian describes above. It's not synonymous with the Red Pill concept of "Alpha Male of Group" or AMOG. AMOG means whatever social situation you're in, you should be the alpha male and dominate the others. Conversely, "localized alpha" is different in that I would seek out environments where I could be the local alpha, and establish myself therein.

    I have a few skills and interests that I could exploit; skiing, music, or the army reserve.

    - So having great cardio, I could join a running club and easily demonstrate my value there with my performance.
    - Or I could put up an ad at the local university's music department for a female vocalist to sing on one song for my jazz trio. Not letting the female into the band mind you, just as a session vocalist. I'd then turn auditions into a female-selection process - collect a phone numbers and see if there are any who are down to be potentially more than just a vocalist.
    - In the military, I could (but never would) hit on females outside of my unit and trade, and impress them with my rank and rack (medals).

    In each of these cases, I would be seeking out environments where my natural strengths, practised skills or accomplishments set me apart. Excepting the Army one, the others are female-rich environments.

    An important point here: This strategy requires that you actually have a skill or a talent. Whether you're gaming broads, willfully celibate, or whatever... I strongly encourage every MGTOW to pursue self-improvement regardless. If you have a natural talent, great. If you don't, choose an endeavour and pursue improvement - and eventually excellence. It'll help you in other aspects of life too, including self-fulfillment, pride, and can even make you social / professional connections or possibly new friends.
    I too have witnessed this 'localized alpha' phenomena. I currently work as a security officer for a big firm that employs a lot of women. I am in control of a lot of people there and have them doing things for me quite a bit. In a sense I am the localized alpha and I notice everyone even hot women reacting to me constantly and flirting. I am used to this because I used to be a PUA but this flirting and putting me on a pedestal seemed to happen right away without even knowing me.

    You may be onto something big here. Something I feel the PUA COMMUNITY may take and pick up on. Although your ideas about localized Alpha need to be radicalized to reach its true potential. Think: BUSINESS MANAGER.

    Thought experiment for those who wish to persue this manipulative style of game:

    Being a business manager of a office gives you a lot of power. Maybe you decide to employ 10 people. Out of those 10 people social hierarchies will form and the alphas of both sexes will be established. You're the manager and pretty much are head alpha. If you make sure you pay the hotter females high enough salaries that keeps them in the job and makes them want to keep their job I ensure you with enough dominance and power you will be able to have sex with all of these women. The money will keep them in the job while you work on crushing their ego's and identities. In this sense the work place will become your localized social group. This fits in with all of our theories on women being only into money and having sex with guys in high social status settings and for gains.

    If anyone else likes these kinds of ideas PM me. Would be good to discuss them.
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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    That sounds like work, and I have a job already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus_Pilus View Post
    Cynical and misogynistic? Yep. But seriously, what value is a woman today beyond sandwiches and sex?
    Sandwiches? What mythical woman do you speak of?

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    Re: Why Game Will Be Obsolete.

    I've gamed women in the past and gotten them to have sex with me, spend time with me, talk to me, and be by my side. God, what a fucking mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangent View Post
    No kidding! I stated out reading up on the Nice Guy Syndrome, which led me to PUA material and female psychology in general so I could be more successful with females, but when you learn the whole truth, you realize just how worthless females are and then strive to live your life without them.
    We're nothing more than cattle competing with each other to win a holiday at an abbatoir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_walk_alone View Post
    We're nothing more than cattle competing with each other to win a holiday at an abbatoir.
    It's just like that movie, "The Island". They have the lottery to go to the Island. Same thing here. You win and you can go get chopped up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Oh - another theory. Nightclub game is obsolete because Tinder. Girls that are DTF are on tinder, girls that are at the nightclub are not DTF. The guys are abandoning the clubs for that reason and good riddance - the bitches turned them into feminized spaces. The biggest indicator of this? The music - women are mostly unmusical. Listen to any 80's cock rock and be amazed at its melodic content (it actually has some), it's harmonic structure (ditto). They threw the rock music out of the bars and installed DJs: cheaper, and the bitches love it.

    -- the rest of this post I have moved to "rants" --
    Just throw together some samples stolen from real musicians, soulless harsh synth bass, generic four on the floor beat, and detuned clips of a guy saying "ASS N TITTIES, A-A-A-ASS N TITTIES"

    Women will be all over that shit all night long - just to attention whore of course.


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