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    Escalation

    Thought I'd post about this because I don't think I have before and it's the main problem I've had with game back when I was making an effort. Actually looking for advice here, from MGTOW who aren't totally ghosting with women. I'm kind of slightly building a social circle right now and I figured I might as well ask you guys.

    So escalation makes no sense to me. I find myself in situations alone with women and I have no idea how to transition to sex (but this was a few years ago to be fully honest). Usually my naive move is to just transition the topic to sex, then suggest that we hook up. That's when they give me cliche last minute excuses and I just go "oh ok" and drop it completely. So needless to say this doesn't work, and if I get laid it's rare and by accident. I've made no attempt to interact with women for the last few years, but now I'm meeting some through work and school. I barely understand how to flirt or anything like that now because it's been a long time since I tried. I don't understand what IOIs are supposed to be anymore. I know some women who could be into me, but it's all a big maybe. Not really feeling like going out my way to do game, just be able to handle my business at a party etc.

    Mainly looking for advice here, but if you want to talk me out of it, feel free too
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    Re: Escalation

    The idea behind escalation is what PUA types call KINO. You go from innocent touch, to in between touch to hot touch. You can't go right in for the kiss. You have to work up to it. Basically, you are getting the woman to get used to the idea of you touching her.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZa-dtruFI

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    Re: Escalation

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggets View Post
    Thought I'd post about this because I don't think I have before and it's the main problem I've had with game back when I was making an effort. Actually looking for advice here, from MGTOW who aren't totally ghosting with women. I'm kind of slightly building a social circle right now and I figured I might as well ask you guys.

    So escalation makes no sense to me. I find myself in situations alone with women and I have no idea how to transition to sex (but this was a few years ago to be fully honest).

    Mainly looking for advice here, but if you want to talk me out of it, feel free too
    Throw a 100-bill on the table and throw a 50bill on top of it for "customer satisfaction"
    Pretty easy and works all the time.

    Else .. ahh.. so long ago ... I have totally forgotten everything except that bitches want to be your girlfriend or stuff like that and tend to multiply without further warning which totally fucks up your life and wallet (happened to quite some friends)

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    Re: Escalation

    Yep, what The_Joker said is correct. Getting the logistics right is important too so make sure you're in a suitable place - dimly lit bars work well, evenings are usually better than mid day with crowds of people. If you're sat down then make sure you're sat next to her too, not opposite. Get some alcohol down her too.
    Marrying a woman is like taking a shit upside down every day for the rest of your life. Don't do it!

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    Re: Escalation

    I stopped by my friend's job one time just to shoot the shit. It was a retail-strip-mall, but I go to the back door, where there isn't any customers, cuz I don't want to interfere with business.

    It's not my first time there, and pretty much anyone that comes out back for a smoke or a beer, knows I'm not there to rob anybody...Especially the haircut girls...As I practice talking shit at them and they love it...

    At first they tried insulting me. I laughed at them and ignored them...Then we all got to know each other on a first name basis over the span of a few years...

    Immediately, within the first couple of visits, years ago, one approached me and started asking if I was single, had kids, what kind of job I had...It got pretty funny pretty quick when I told them I don't date...It makes them more curious...

    Haircut bitches are the worst! Stylists, beauticians...If they cut hair, they are fucking miserable cunts...

    I came by quite a bit, sometimes helping my friend because he gives me a discount...The women noticed that I was friends with the boss next door...They would come out, light cigarettes, and wait for me to come back to my car...

    You could hear them giggling, and saying shit like "I would totally fuck him."

    I wasn't kind to them. I was rude as I could be but came off as joking, so they wouldn't slash my tires...

    I'd say things like "So, which one of you want to learn how to drive stick?" with a big grin...

    Or, when they'd all come out after my car pulls in: "Ok girls, get behind that dumpster over there and drop your panties, I'll be be there in a minute..."

    They eat that shit up if one of them is interested in you...after you've already shown yourself to be someone that doesn't respect women...

    If guys are always hitting on them, don't hit on them, flirt with them, or start conversations with them. They will come to YOU...

    The last time I pulled in over there, three came out and screamed my name. They couldn't hide their smiles. I was on the phone and gave them the middle finger, individually...When I was off my phone and heading inside, one asked where I've been. I grabbed the air by the hips, and began fucking, saying "At your momma's house!" And, walked away...

    I like to entertain myself. And, I would fuck a couple of them, as they aren't all ugly heifers but, I'd rather not...Cuz, they be a bunch of overpriced hookers...Even they laugh when I call them that...That tells me something...

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    Re: Escalation

    Don't do movies or dinner.

    Do bowling or dancing.

    Every time you switch places bowling, do a hi-5.

    Dancing, take her hand and lead her, spin her around.

    Get her used to your touch, your scent, so she wants more.

    Look on youtube for some easy escalation moves.

    It doesn't work if you're "shy." You have to have confidence.

    You get confidence by having "been in some shit."

    Through achievments and accomplishments, you gain confidence.

    You can't be a low-achieving, low energy player.

    You have to up your game (in life) in order to up your game (sexually.)

    The question most people ask, "Is it worth it."

    Depends how hard your life is.

    If you find life really hard and struggle to just get along, then it would probably strain you alot to be successful with women.

    But if you are already a pretty high achiever, got good grades, good job, you find life pretty easy, then it's no big deal to learn a bit of game and spin plates.

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    Re: Escalation

    There is quite a bit of good advice in this thread. There is only one thing missing, and that is a list of IOIs.


    • She reinitiates conversations when you stop talking
    • She giggles
    • She touches you
    • She tries to get rapport and build comfort with you
    • She looks back and glances at you repeatedly ever minute or so
    • She tosses her hair (to see if you will look)
    • If eye contact happens from a distance, she holds it for a second
    • She smiles at you
    • She stands nearby (proximity)
    • She interrupts your conversation from nearby or laughs at something you said
    • While walking by, she turns her body toward you or brushes against you
    • She says something to her friend and they both giggle
    • She asks you for a light or the time or in any way initiates a conversation
    • While you're talking to her group, she is particularly talkative (to get your attention)
    • She asks you for your name
    • She asks you your age (make her guess)
    • She compliments you
    • She is playful and tries to challenge you
    • She's disagreeing but laughing
    • She's punching your arm but laughing
    • She uses nicknames for you
    • She plays with her hair while talking to you
    • When she is sitting next to you her leg touches yours
    • She repeatedly touches you in any way
    • She asks if you have a girlfriend
    • She mentions your girlfriend without knowing if you actually have one
    • When she has to go to the bathroom, she comes back
    • She holds eye contact for longer periods of time when she speaks with you
    • She avoids mentioning her boyfriend
    • If it comes up that you like something, she mentions that she likes it, too, or needs someone to show her how to do it
    • When she says or does something, she looks at you to see your reaction
    • She looks at you from the side, to hide the fact that she's looking
    • She introduces you to friends
    • She buys you a drink
    • She calls you a player or a heartbreaker
    • On her way out, she re-approaches you to tell you that she is leaving (Get her #)
    • On your way out, she asks you where you are going (Invite her)
    • She returns your calls
    • She invents reasons to be near you, interact with you, or have isolation with you


    Most telling are the touches. Touch is really key as others have said. If you feel that she is touching you many times, you are at the very least moving in the right direction.

    Now I think you have had more than enough advice. Feel free to send me a PM if you keep running into problems.

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    Re: Escalation

    Quote Originally Posted by Dubya View Post
    Don't do movies or dinner.

    Do bowling or dancing.

    Every time you switch places bowling, do a hi-5.

    Dancing, take her hand and lead her, spin her around.

    Get her used to your touch, your scent, so she wants more.

    Look on youtube for some easy escalation moves.

    It doesn't work if you're "shy." You have to have confidence.

    You get confidence by having "been in some shit."

    Through achievments and accomplishments, you gain confidence.

    You can't be a low-achieving, low energy player.

    You have to up your game (in life) in order to up your game (sexually.)

    The question most people ask, "Is it worth it."

    Depends how hard your life is.

    If you find life really hard and struggle to just get along, then it would probably strain you alot to be successful with women.

    But if you are already a pretty high achiever, got good grades, good job, you find life pretty easy, then it's no big deal to learn a bit of game and spin plates.
    I agree with all of this, because activity is way better than being reactive or worse passive/shy.


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