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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious Sid
    The shaming terms white knight, mangina, beta orbiter/fool/sucker/provider, and pussy-beggar must be used loudly and used often.
    I thought I was the only guy who thought of stepping it up like this! In fact I was planning on making a thread called "Beta Orbiter Shaming."
    Drag male friends, kicking and screaming, out of the friend zones.
    Amen!!

    I remember I had this one neighbor/friend circa 2012 who was obviosuly trying to friendship his way into his nextdoor female neighbor's pants. He was driving her ass to work despite there being public transit in our city and all. One time he said, "we fight like a couple." All I could muster the courage to say was, "I don't think she thinks of you THAT way exactly!"

    I was already red pill by that point but did not have the guts to simply say "stop being such a a GWAP to her. That's an acronym for Girlfriend With A Penis"
    Let cupcake sit, alone, on her moving boxes and cry on moving day.
    Ha ha, I literally did this to the last official "relationship" woman I had in 2012. I dumped her ass. Though I was still tagging her ass for some NSA sex, when she asked me to help her move her furniture from one apartment to her next home, I said, "sure, but it will be $20. You don't get 'boyfriend' favors from me for free."

    Yes, I proudly literally said this to her. Just like that. She had no problem paying me either!
    Let princess fix her own car. Door. Light. Computer.
    Let muffin raise and pay for her own damn illegitimate children Tyler, Tucker and Tyson (Chad's kids).
    Yes, yes, yes, YES!!!

    And never be some GOOFY-ASSED time-ho either! If she ain't spreading her legs on a regular basis for you, she does not get the benefit of some GWAP. Patrice O'Neil said it best to this chump in the friendzone on this epic moment in radio history (yeah, I think it's THAT important!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9QO...SMKURXAl4intHg

    You know why women slutshame?! Because sluts LOWER the value of commitments and cash and prizes that women can get from a man.

    You know why men should GWAP shame? The same principal applies. Even these goofballs who make us look alpha are screwing up the whole dating market I suspect.

    Women have to put out or get out. PERIOD. We need to shame these fuckers to their face. If I could do it all over again, I would've said to some of these chumps, "stop being such a time-ho for her, dude. You aren't gonna friendship your way into her pants...EVER!"
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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    I was already red pill by that point but did not have the guts to simply say "stop being such a a GWAP to her. That's an acronym for Girlfriend With A Penis"Ha ha, I literally did this to the last official "relationship" woman I had in 2012. I dumped her ass.
    Yep say "HEY! You're her GWAP!! Her girlfriend with a penis!!". Then whack him on the back and say "Ya big GWAP!" and laugh, mockingly.
    Every time you see the fucking guy say "Hey GWAP how's the friendzone treating you today?"

    Another good shaming term: Emotional Tampon

    "Gee Bill, you spent 2 hours consoling Jane on the phone after Chad Thundercock fucked and chucked her. I guess you're her EMOTIONAL TAMPON now, hey Bill?"

    Another good shaming term: One of her girlfriends

    "Hey, Bill, I saw you with Jane and Sally and Sheila at the mall. Wait, are you one of her girlfriends now? So, did you get a new dress?"

    Yeah, men respond to shame. Look how well it works for feminism: SHAME men into submission. Well, it's time men started using shame for GOOD, as it was rightfully intended. Where feminism uses shame to subjugate and control men, we will use shame to free them!

    We're using feminism's tools against feminism. I love it.
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    I wouldn't say "lack of objectives," but maybe "lack of achieveable objectives."

    Most men want a wife, most men want a family, they want something to build and create.

    The govt has made that impossible with all this "women's rights" shit.

    So its like "why bother." Why bother doing anything. Why bother building a business or improving yourself. For what, your own ego?

    Look I understand, women shouldn't be your only goal in life.

    But what if a family is actually one of your goals? And if you can't achieve that then none of the other goals really matter.

    See this is why I like a little PUA in my MGTOW.

    Because PUA is about hacking the matrix and being able to do things you aint supposed to be able to do.

    You ain't supposed to be able to just fuck and walk away.

    You ain't supposed to be able to have a family without equalist bullshit in your face 24/7 and ridiculous risks.

    So no, I don't accept "the modern world" and its conditions and limitations.

    I don't accept that I can't have what I want.

    What I *do* accept is that life is hard, and it's even harder if you're swimming against the current.

    And that's one "objective" where it's important to have masculinity to achieve your goals.

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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    My problem with PUA is that although you're being more covert and using time-tested tricks and methods, ultimately, you're still playing by society's rules. You're still standing in lines at clubs, and paying exorbitant cover charges and drink prices. You still have to give females what they want - attention, entertainment, food and drink - all paid up front. It's always that way with women. Get out your wallet and pay for the privilege of being around them - before, during and after. I am sure there are stories of the Grand Master PUA who bagged three women in a foursome and got them to pick up the entire tab. The reality is, whether you're trying to be a genuine guy or a PUA, you're still fundamentally playing the game.

    If a guy *likes* playing the game and enjoys the thrill of the chase and sleeping with women 'for free' (read: buying food and drink for her instead of handing her cash) then who am I to argue?

    Thankfully my libido is in the dirt right now and I'm rarely bothered by lizard-brain impulses these days. Women's behavior has gotten so bad they're just such a collective turn off now. Their attitudes just suck. I'm like "Go put selfies of your mediocre self on Facebook. Nobody gives a fuck."
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    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    One of my absolute FAVORITE MGTOWs is George Carlin:

    Here is a good clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkhUivqzWv0

    George Carlin prays to Joe Pesci.
    Now that Carlin is dead, I pray to George Carlin,
    and work on fun stuff in my spare time.

    How's that for a purpose?

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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    My problem with PUA is that although you're being more covert and using time-tested tricks and methods, ultimately, you're still playing by society's rules. You're still standing in lines at clubs, and paying exorbitant cover charges and drink prices. You still have to give females what they want - attention, entertainment, food and drink - all paid up front. It's always that way with women. Get out your wallet and pay for the privilege of being around them - before, during and after. I am sure there are stories of the Grand Master PUA who bagged three women in a foursome and got them to pick up the entire tab. The reality is, whether you're trying to be a genuine guy or a PUA, you're still fundamentally playing the game.

    If a guy *likes* playing the game and enjoys the thrill of the chase and sleeping with women 'for free' (read: buying food and drink for her instead of handing her cash) then who am I to argue?

    Thankfully my libido is in the dirt right now and I'm rarely bothered by lizard-brain impulses these days. Women's behavior has gotten so bad they're just such a collective turn off now. Their attitudes just suck. I'm like "Go put selfies of your mediocre self on Facebook. Nobody gives a fuck."
    On one level you're right, on another level women have always been what they are.

    Maybe they hid it better, or didn't want to get smacked.

    And I'm starting not to mind "the system" as it's currently set up, it allows a man to live independently while getting plenty of sex, even siring a child, without having to do emotional maintenance on an adult all the time. It's a more peaceful life IMO than a traditional family.

    My 2 cents at this time

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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    Dubya,

    I use a little PUA technique, but mostly what I use comes from David Deangelo or Scot McKay, though not as it is intended.
    Mostly I do this for networking purposes. You see, some women actually have value. I choose the value they have
    which is not constrained by an unwritten sexual contract- ie: I get them attracted to me but I flatly refuse sex, dating, texting
    or any superfluous nonsense.

    Like I said before, keep them guessing.
    Problem is, once you do fuck them, they're not guessing any more. They are plotting to control you.
    They will use any other value they have to accomplish this for their own selfish gain.

    Why DON'T I have sex?

    Too risky. I've heard too many horror stories. That guy who emailed a suicide note to
    every single email address in AOL on Christmas eve because of his cheating wife?
    That pathetic turd lived with me for several months. What a loser. His ex wife was an unbelievable cunt.
    Kicked him to the curb, gave him a bicycle and ordered him to get his shit wired or die on his own.

    I served on a jury where a false accusation of sexual assault was levied against a 21 year old boy. If I
    had argued the case he would never have served time. At that time I didn't know about jury nullification
    and still could have swung most of the men there around to set the idiot lad free. He was convicted, and
    the prosecution misread my statement to the judge and tried to get a contempt charge against me for
    seeing through his princess barbie clients' lies. She was a 9 on a 10 scale for looks and a -15 on a 5 scale
    for personality.

    Women are cunning. Like a pack of hyenas are cunning.
    Women going their own way is an extremely unlikely thing. It goes against their nature.
    I've seen it a few times and it is admirable when they lose the feminazi facade.

    Like I said before, there are some (read- not many) women who have value beyond sex.
    It's rare and like mining for precious elements, it takes a long time and a lot of effort to find.
    I would never marry one because they still want everything for nothing, even while claiming
    to be supportive and faithful.

    Everything one ever wanted to know about a woman can be learned from a single game.
    It's called Chess.

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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    Some men are sexually crippled. Others are sexually stupid.
    I might be an idiot, but I can see this is so.
    Most women are both mathematically and logically crippled.
    Just sayin. Stupid can't be fixed. It must be dealt with.

    Feminism tends to allow for womens' emotions but
    disallows and disapproves of boys' emotions, thinking
    falsely that this is their final brush stroke for victory- If they
    control our feelings, they control our intent.

    Not so.

    This is the same as casting out sound logic and reason at
    the expense of tomorrow for the convenience of today.
    Selling out or buying out. Either way it's systemic.

    Case in point:

    Womens' suffrage was funded by Rockefellers because women,
    their dowry, and labour was answerable to only their husband at the time.
    It was dealt with but at the wage earners' expense.

    The Mans' expense. For the purpose of taxation.
    Now the man must put up the dowry: 3 months life expenses for
    some cheap metal and a pretty stone: A relationship token.

    The man can learn the value of his 3 months life work and savings in a
    few days of study. For a woman to know the same value of that mans work
    takes several lifetimes. The woman knows the substance of his work is real
    but can only objectify him as an unequal producer of value because she already
    caught his seed. Now he is stuck with stupid. He cannot have an increase.
    This has been case law for over 100 years!

    Since then the promiscuity of law in the USA has run rampant
    and unchecked, unbalanced. It is inefficient and inequitable. Biased
    in every way. Woman have pushed weak minded men into politics
    to get their way, controlled them like ken dolls and made stupid men
    powerful in politics on their behalf, for their own purpose and the man
    in "her life" can never gain the positive good he intended through her
    to benefit mankind. She becomes the white hot center of the universe,
    his purpose for living be damned.

    Not good at all.

    Women want this status but cannot ever obtain it unless we consent
    or confess. This is why they try to create beta-orbiters, pussy worshippers and
    so on. The more control they seem to exert, the more valuable they seem to be
    as they lose that which made us attracted to them in the first place. The women
    seem to be one thing while the man IS something.

    Sadly, for them, this is not the case. Real men lead while women,
    lesser men and children follow.

    My first love was and always shall be an idea: Truth.
    Followed by fact, reason, knowledge and logic.
    I offer it in exchange for this: You will never have sex with me.
    I am a MGTOW.

    Accept my knowledge and advice, use it as you will, so
    long as you never claim to use me.

    If any woman I have ever met showed me that she could act
    in these realms selflessly, I would have gladly sired a child for her.

    So far nobody can legally or lawfully claim I can be called a Father.

    Work is calling to me. I must complete some more tasks pertinent
    to the survival of this species.

    Right now I can be measured by anyone with a single word: Thousandaire.
    Someday I will be a Trillionaire and have the utmost distain for causeless breeding.

    A Man, most especially a MGTOW brings his true purpose to the mating game.
    Women believe it is inevitable that you must give her a child.
    Let MGTOWS fill them with the doubt, fear and trepidation they want us to feel
    instead.

    Let the Bachelors fill them with devastated hope, as they have offered us.
    Let the Ghosts provide relevant, pertinent data where and when they will.
    Let the Philosophers guide correctly such that the abominable female is
    exposed and the glorious woman is revealed.
    All fakers will fall off, blow away in the wind and summon awareness
    while thinking falsely that they fight for a higher purpose.

    I once met a toppled god, his fall was not a small one,
    I only carved his pedestal, a narrow and a tall one.

    --Frank Herbert.

    I am no god, just a man. Going his own way.

    I wish you all good fortune and prosperity on your way,
    wherever it goes.

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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post


    The first step in destroying feminism is getting white knights, beta orbiters and male feminists to see the damage they condone and cause.

    Only men can stop feminism.
    Women don't have what it takes to stop something evil when it seems to benefit them so much.

    The shaming terms white knight, mangina, beta orbiter/fool/sucker/provider, and pussy-beggar must be used loudly and used often.

    Drag male friends, kicking and screaming, out of the friend zones.
    Let cupcake sit, alone, on her moving boxes and cry on moving day.
    Let princess fix her own car. Door. Light. Computer.
    Let muffin raise and pay for her own damn illegitimate children Tyler, Tucker and Tyson (Chad's kids).

    Women are not strong and independent. They are scheming sociopathic manipulators and dictators.
    Stop coming to women's assistance immediately.
    Actually, attacking women is more "destructive". Because if you attack women, you hurt women and manginas in the same attack, because manginas have pity for women. But if you attack manginas, you hurt only the manginas, because women have not pity for manginas.

    But attacks against manginas can be effective if we attack them and show to them how women don't give a fuck about them. By the way, we should even support women who mock manginas. Because if those idiots only care about female opinions, so we just need give it to them. This will make our job easier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    What about the femininity crisis, huh?! No one ever seems to talk about THAT. Women acting trashy-assed masculine, cursing like sailors, tattoos, etc.
    If you are considering that "real femininity = slutism, att-whorism, parasitism, arrogancy, manipulation and irrationality", femininity is working well, better than ever. At least I don't buy that manginistic bullshit telling us that true "femininity" is being caring, pure, delicate and so on. These are just non-feminine virtues imposed on women by patriarchal and oppressive men who were pissed off enough with the rotten female nature. I don't see any virtue as really feminine, only masculine or at least of both genders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dubya View Post
    I wouldn't say "lack of objectives," but maybe "lack of achieveable objectives."

    Most men want a wife, most men want a family, they want something to build and create.

    The govt has made that impossible with all this "women's rights" shit.

    So its like "why bother." Why bother doing anything. Why bother building a business or improving yourself. For what, your own ego?

    Look I understand, women shouldn't be your only goal in life.

    But what if a family is actually one of your goals? And if you can't achieve that then none of the other goals really matter.

    See this is why I like a little PUA in my MGTOW.

    Because PUA is about hacking the matrix and being able to do things you aint supposed to be able to do.

    You ain't supposed to be able to just fuck and walk away.

    You ain't supposed to be able to have a family without equalist bullshit in your face 24/7 and ridiculous risks.

    So no, I don't accept "the modern world" and its conditions and limitations.

    I don't accept that I can't have what I want.

    What I *do* accept is that life is hard, and it's even harder if you're swimming against the current.

    And that's one "objective" where it's important to have masculinity to achieve your goals.
    This is a good point, about wanting a family, and I want to write another thread about this, as I promised to comrade SaltySpoon here:
    Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    About PUA, as I said before, many red pill men in Brazil mix PUA technics with MGTOW philosophy. An example is that parasite-shaming technics that I posted in another thread:
    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...-shaming-7693/

    But the point is that they are not the same. Some PUA technics are even anti-Mgtows. I will write also about another good PUA technics adapted for Mgtows later. I think that is one of the best technics for Mgtows and men as a whole.
    Latin American... 28 y.o... living in Rio... spreading MGTOW... going my own way.

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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    I don't think there is a lack of masculinity, otherwise sports would be dead. Not to mention heavy labor occupations would be dead and that would hurt the country. I think its a matter of the mass media and how they report on it.

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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    I don't think it's even about "getting laid" anymore.

    I think it's the most primal fear of all men, just above starvation and being eaten by a dinosaur: getting laid LESS than some other guy.

    This is the ultimate Achilles heel for men, and the source of the ultimate female privilege for women:

    Being the most pampered, indulged, catered to, "listened to", protected, subsidized people in the history of humankind and still having the fucking stones to call themselves OPPRESSED.
    - Feminism is Cancer.
    - Where have all the good men gone? Away. Far far away... from you.
    - NAWALT? Maybe, but EWALT means Russian Roulette is a much safer bet...

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    Re: Why "masculinity crisis" is actually lack of objectives

    Trad Cons would argue perhaps that young men 'lack objectives'.

    Of course, lacking objectives can also be quite opinion based when you have preconceived notions about what you expect men to do in order to be part of accepted 'society'.

    Get a job and a wife, have some kids and get a house and a mortgage and a pet, and keep up with the consumerist neighbors by outdoing them on yard presentations and church social pot luck dinners.

    Of course, feminists just want men marrying into the system so they can be legally 'justice system' court-raped out of their property and future income.

    Both groups expect something from men and both groups can fuck the fuck right the hell off as well.

    Men doing what's best for their personal survival and benefit is derided, but any choice a woman makes as long as it doesn't break with herd mentality is applauded and celebrated.

    If a man's objective is to live his life as he sees fit, for himself, then so be it. We have been told for decades a woman don't need no man. Well, if the same is true of men, then men can damn well make that choice and screw the double standards others wish to impose on him.

    Survival, and not overburdening oneself with the expectations of society is a fine goal for any man whether or not anyone else accepts that as a 'proper' objective in life.
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