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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    The approaching continually increases when you reach your 30's by women and doesn't slow down from there either...Women approaching men is heavily correlated with their declining options as they age.
    I'm in my early 50s and can't say I've ever noticed an approach directed at me. But then, I'm not always sure of signs; even if I was, IDGAF.
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Willers View Post
    I'm in my early 50s and can't say I've ever noticed an approach directed at me. But then, I'm not always sure of signs; even if I was, IDGAF.
    I'm pretty bad at reading signs. You're right, it's not worth stressing over because most women consider "I sat in his general vicinity" to be a blatant signal to approach.
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Women make the first move when the number of available men does down. After WW2, there was such a shortage of men that women became ultra aggressive. The same is happening now in Japan. There is the rise of carnivore women. These women are not waiting for men. They want to get married and they are making the first move.

    If MGTOW grows, expect to see more and more women making the first move.

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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggets View Post
    I'm pretty bad at reading signs. You're right, it's not worth stressing over because most women consider "I sat in his general vicinity" to be a blatant signal to approach.
    Most blatant signal I ever got...
    I am on the train to work on the weekend..
    chick gets on..enters the train..looks *DIRECTLY* into my eyes.. crosses 10 feet of aisle past empty seats..sits primly on the seat arms length away and rotates her skirt and knees towards me. Eyes downcast. Said not a word.

    (Then the wave of urine smell hit me..She was tweaked/gacked/drunk/crazyhigh and had pissed herself).

    But thats now my mental model for a "truthful" female approach. She was too fucked up to do anything but instinct.
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Willers View Post
    I'm in my early 50s and can't say I've ever noticed an approach directed at me. But then, I'm not always sure of signs
    I'm the same age as you and they asked me out twice last year (2016). It was fairly blatant. You couldn't miss it.

    One was obese and the other mad, so they both got short shrift.

    A few weeks ago I had a third very odd contact. A much younger, better looking, relatively sane girl made a point of coming to my office to seek advice on a matter related to our shared profession. She could have just 'phoned. I know from snippets of intel that she is currently single.

    At the end of the interview I played one of my key ghosting cards. I politely stood up, as one does when a lady is leaving the room, thereby revealing that I am a couple of inches too short for today's oh-so-demanding young ladies.

    You couldn't see her for dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Joker View Post
    Women make the first move when the number of available men does down. After WW2, there was such a shortage of men that women became ultra aggressive ... If MGTOW grows, expect to see more and more women making the first move.
    Funnily enough I was reading an article the other day about the situation in the UK after WW1, where women were trying to find husbands immediately after close on a million potential husbands had been killed and another million badly wounded. Cupcake was prepared to consider wounded officers, provided the wounds were not too severe. Gosh, aren't we privileged.

    I thought of the parallels with today. One take might be that MGTOW are the widowers of feminism. That's a fairly contentious statement to make and depends on whether you believe that Marriage 1.0 was worth the deal.

    Beyond that though you are absolutely right. As eligible men disappear into the forest you can expect more hits.
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    It is rare for me to get a "FULL" head on approach by a woman. And those kinds of approaches by men, towards women, are rare as well.

    But I have experienced them. And almost always the woman is drunk.

    It is the approach by the cute young blond, that isnt drunk, that I consider of greatest merit (of course.)

    I am (sometimes) on Tinder & Okcupid. And it is NOT rare for a women to text or messages me on these platform. I don't consider them an a "approach". Perhaps I should, but I don't, because the levels of RISK & commitment are non-existent.

    Ok, so with all that behind us:

    I was recently contacted (initial contact by her, messaging me) via okcupid by a young cute blondie several years younger than me, or so she claims.... (No red flags, professional wording, nothing dirty, nothing desperate sounding, no kids, no victim-hood, zero SJW or feminist terminology.)

    I messaged back I was busy, too busy to talk, but that I liked what I saw on her profile, and that in the near future perhaps we could continue the conversation & even meet: because I'm not looking for a pen pal. (No, I didnt say what I wanted.)

    Scroll forward 6 weeks and she has messaged me again, specifically asking me if I was interested. So I told her I was wrapping things up (on unsaid items / issues, which she likely read as breaking up w someone, which is not correct, I was traveling) but would be available to chat and even meet in a few days.

    We messaged back n forth 3 more times, including phone numbers, in which I asked about meeting for coffee at a shop near her. She responded well.....

    Ok, so now, finally red flags are going up: why is she being so agreeable? (most likely she is nothing like the person she is representing herself to be.)

    We meet and she is totally cute! Yes, very cute. Young. Younger looking than she claims to be! Everything said is true, which is RARE! Then she stands up (from behind the coffeeshop table) and BOOM: she has got to be 40lbs overweight.

    Still, she was VERY nice, smart, non-objectionable on all topics, and pretty too.

    Come to find out that she is a direct Outsides Sales person for a nich medical hardware company. For those of you out of the loop: direct sales (generally) means: *highly knowledgeable, *honorable (real rep for a real company) & perhaps well compensated.

    After coffee tasting, we did some light wine tasting, then a concert in the park, followed by some flirting & kissing.

    Yeah, I have no idea where this is going w her, but we did some follow-up texting: Immediately after our meet up; & the next day, BOTH of which she initiated. NICE!

    Ok, so there is no moral to her part of story, but, yeah, women can & do "approach" , fairly often, in a limited kind of way. Not only that, they will "follow up" too. Which is far harder for them than simply "dropping a hanky" & hoping you'll pick it up.

    But let me add: I will say that (unlike this case) 90% of the time online dating SUCKS, regardless of who makes the initial move. Only on rare occasions has it not been a TOTAL waste of time.


    p.s. regarding my previous post in this thread about a woman: She turned out to be highly unstable (emotionally.) Gents, NEVER get involved w someone that shows **any signs** of borderline personality disorder.... (Hot then Cold; Sweet then demanding; Generous then cutting; Overly attentive then detached; Into you then cold-shoulder)
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Overall, just after I hit my 30's, the attention I got from women of all ages increased. I got hit on by a lovely single Mom of 2 children. She told me she would be happy to have another child which was really nice to hear. I got interest from a lot of women in their 20's, but that's partly because I look a lot younger than my years. One of the 20 something girls said she thought I looked younger because I had never been married. Not something I thought I'd ever hear from a girl.

    Occasionally when walking down the street, I get 20 something women trying to make conversation, approaching, or making dumb comments in a attempt to initiate. But really, I no longer give a fuck and prefer to be left alone. The danger is to give value to being approached and think it makes any difference to who you are, or your life. It means nothing, solves nothing, adds nothing, and is nothing. Only the ego thinks it means anything, and only the ego derives some kind of value from it....which is where the vast majority of men become trapped...

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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    I have been approached by one woman in my life. Pretty girl. Had a sense of humor. She was very flattering.

    I didn't realize she was giving me signals until after I had left. I'm dense. I never could read signals.
    Dear oh dear. Son, you get to a certain age when you realize that women aren't in it for the love, rather they rent their vagina out to you until:

    1. You can no longer afford the rent
    2. Some other guy is offering to pay them higher rent.

    It's just business to a woman, bro.

    Get with the program.

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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    ref Jonitus. And that is why women do not approach: too often males are unaware that it is an "approach" that they are experiencing / witnessing. And if she becomes too blatant in her "approach" tactics, so that he becomes overly-aware, well, that just sets her up for an ego bruising that 11 out of 10 women (highly privileged little princesses) simply can't handle.
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonitus View Post
    I have been approached by one woman in my life. Pretty girl. Had a sense of humor. She was very flattering.
    I didn't realize she was giving me signals until after I had left. I'm dense. I never could read signals.
    I think you're not alone in that, Program..... My father never taught me what to look for in regards to interest..... might be the reason I seem to be "invisible" when it comes to women....
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Yeah, what Eiji said!

    Or, like me, you were told that "forward women" were not to be trusted & likely diseased (STDs.)

    Which to my mind is precisely the opposite of the truth: The average "moral" woman is playing games w men (deceitful manipulations) -- which is a form of mental illness. Mental illness is a disease, and it has gone viral, is of epidemic proportions, in western Leftist cultures.

    Done properly, an "approach" shows that the person is rational, sane, confident, & pleasant.
    See these behavior patterns in Western Women much? Hahahaaahahaaa!!!

    Would you marry, or commit, to a Mentally Ill woman? gOOd F'n luCky wif that bro!!
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji View Post
    I think you're not alone in that, Program..... My father never taught me what to look for in regards to interest..... might be the reason I seem to be "invisible" when it comes to women....
    I've never really mentioned this on the forums, but it's been a huge part of my fucked up blue pill development. My dad has never brought up women as a conversation topic even once in my entire life. I grew up feeling like dating was just as taboo a topic as sex. No exaggeration - to even indicate that I'm attracted to women, don't even go there. Didn't want to touch that with a ten foot pole. So naturally, me and my brother have never talked about women, not even once, to this day. It's hard to explain because it's such a bizarre situation and I've never read about anything similar in the manosphere. Even with strict Christian parents, at least they acknowledge dating and attraction, while trying to shelter from sex. But with my parents it was somehow a step beyond that. If me and my brother are watching a TV show, saying something like "she's hot" is 100 percent out of the question. I guess I shouldn't be surprised with a feminist mom and beta provider dad, but still. It's bizarro world.

    Of course he checks out every woman he possibly can when he's driving around, but they don't exist as a conversation topic.
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    It's kind of staggering the amount of attention I get nowadays, just because I am more mature and wear a suit.

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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggets View Post
    My dad has never brought up women as a conversation topic even once in my entire life. I grew up feeling like dating was just as taboo a topic as sex. No exaggeration - to even indicate that I'm attracted to women, don't even go there. Didn't want to touch that with a ten foot pole.
    What's worse though: not discussing it, or your father giving you the wrong information?

    My Old Boy and I get on really well but on the subject of women he is hopelessly inept. It's as if feminism never happened. He's stuck in the 50s, and by that I mean the 1850s; tradcon in the extreme.

    You're not supposed to let toddlers wander onto motorways, but that is what he did to me, socially speaking.
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unwanted View Post
    What's worse though: not discussing it, or your father giving you the wrong information?

    My Old Boy and I get on really well but on the subject of women he is hopelessly inept. It's as if feminism never happened. He's stuck in the 50s, and by that I mean the 1850s; tradcon in the extreme.

    You're not supposed to let toddlers wander onto motorways, but that is what he did to me, socially speaking.
    Brother, you are not alone in that!!!
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unwanted View Post
    What's worse though: not discussing it, or your father giving you the wrong information?

    My Old Boy and I get on really well but on the subject of women he is hopelessly inept. It's as if feminism never happened. He's stuck in the 50s, and by that I mean the 1850s; tradcon in the extreme.

    You're not supposed to let toddlers wander onto motorways, but that is what he did to me, socially speaking.
    True. I guess I just learned from movies/TV and "logic" - if you treat people nicely, they'll be nice to you because you doesn't love when someone's nice?
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    On Topic:

    I was at the beach yesterday watching the whales feeding, breaching, playing, etc. I was doing this as the "first meet" w a woman off tinder. (no I will not be meeting w her again.) But all this is a back-drop for my point:

    Anyway, standing there watching the whales, a woman w a family came up asking if I could take a group photo. Next thing you know, a woman within the group (no ring) came right up to me (even though I had a woman with me) and starts hitting on me. She went so far as to "accidentally" touch my hand.

    and while we're at it, lets look at it from the opposite angle:
    EVERYONE in her group saw what was happening. What she did. And how she did it. And they understand (even if only subconsciously, & they are ignoring it) what the ramifications of her behavior are (lack of value in other people's relationship & lack of civility in public places. )

    Little Timmy & Jane saw that Women (aunt judy in this case) are attention seeking, radically forward, hypergamist cranks.

    What ever happened to women smiling, and maybe even dropping something?

    Can you say "Radically uninhibited" or at least " Lack of Civil behavior in a Public place" ???

    She went so far as to tell me where she is from, and in a lower voice "mention" how much she liked the (name) hotel the group is staying at.... yeah. I call it "sluts on vacation" as I have been hit on before.

    fyi data points: No i didnt visit her motel; She had to have been several years younger than me; She was not attractive (to me); & She lives in Orange county; Left coast culture of the USA in full display.

    smh
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unwanted View Post
    What's worse though: not discussing it, or your father giving you the wrong information?
    You're not supposed to let toddlers wander onto motorways, but that is what he did to me, socially speaking.
    I think my dad is in some kind of willful denial about how dating is not the same as it was during his "go-around"....
    put simply.. the "arena" might not have changed much.. but I got some additional "rules" to contend with... my dad: he never had to deal with "girl power", "men only want one thing", or "all sex is rape'... (put simply.. by the time he married my mother, feminism as we know it was just starting to come out of the underground...)
    I think you can start to see the Red Flags(tm), quiaff???
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Women are *definitely* approaching. It happened to me less than a hundred hours ago.

    Have been lying down in a darkened room for most of the time since.

    Wrote about it here: https://www.mgtowhq.com/viewtopic.ph...221629#p221629
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    Re: Are women starting to approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji View Post
    I think my dad is in some kind of willful denial about how dating is not the same as it was during his "go-around"....
    put simply.. the "arena" might not have changed much.. but I got some additional "rules" to contend with... my dad: he never had to deal with "girl power", "men only want one thing", or "all sex is rape'... (put simply.. by the time he married my mother, feminism as we know it was just starting to come out of the underground...)
    I think you can start to see the Red Flags(tm), quiaff???
    Women have changed due to social media and it is so obvious that a marriage has to be battle tested daily on facebook by snooping female friends and family members. Crazy times we live in.


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