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    When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    Hey guys is it true when both of us cant meet up coz of work etc.. is it true that u like the man have too buy in too the wwhole you got too wait till she talks too you first or you have too wait till she tells you too meet up and do something or wou have too wait weeks too get back in contact ith her is this for real ?

    i find it kind of stupid in a sence

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    i did try once too be 10 days with out saying anything too her and on the 11th day i did and she was all like oh! hello! were have you been? or some thing like that but she dient talk too me ive never got the girl too talk too me since i had too start the convo since i had the idea as a man we have too take the rails of what ever this is and take it were we want and they will tag along. But when i tried too do what some friends told me as in dont talk too her and she will come that never worked for me but for them it worked sometimes so i dont belive it so much. Im asking this becose ive noticed since ive tried like insted of texting a girl 3 days after getting the number it works better for me too do so the next day or the day after dont kknwo why. And yes some of these ideas i got it from the pua stuf that i hate but some thing make sence some.., but i think the pua stuf turnd me more intoo a robot then anything else.

    I must say shes 19 and im 24+

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    Okay well I'll be honest with you OP, I had a lot of trouble following what you were saying but I think you mentioned in your intro post that English isn't your first language so let me repeat what I think you're trying to say just to make sure I got it right:

    You're asking us if you should try to wait a certain amount of time before contacting a woman after she's given you her number because your friends told you to do this because it makes the girl eventually contact you, only except this has never worked for you and you do much better when contacting them a day or two later.
    Let me know if I got that right.

    So operating on the assumption that I understand what you're asking, here's my advice:

    OP, if waiting only a day or two works for you then just do that. Why do you need to wait until she contacts you if contacting her has worked fine for you? I don't really understand that part.
    To be honest with you, I have never understood this "rules on contacting" thing. I never follow any of those rules. I just do what I feel like.
    So, if I talk to a girl and the conversation is going really well when I exchange numbers with a woman, I either ask her to text me to make sure I got her number or I will tell her that I'm going to send her a text right at that moment so she can get my number.

    I originally started getting girl's numbers this way back in college when everyone was too drunk to bother with paper and pencils or whatever. Napkins or writing on each others arm or what not. Sometimes the number is lost in translation. For example, the host of this house party we went to was this sexy tall chick and apparently her and I hit it off really well (I don't remember I was so drunk), she asked me to write my number on her chalkboard she had in the kitchen area. I guess I was so drunk that I wrote the first 8 digits then forgot to write the last two lmao.

    A couple of days after that, I wondered why she never called/texted me since all my friends said she was totally into me. I then found out from one of her friends she was super pissed / hurt because she thought I intentionally didn't finish writing my number for her because I wasn't interested lmao.

    ANYWAY, moral of the story - I don't write my number down or have the girl write her number for me anymore. We exchange numbers by texting it to each other while we're still together. The reason for this is threefold:

    1) It makes sure we truly have each other's number. This is important because it makes sure there will be no error in why she doesn't contact you in the future like "Oh hey I gave you the wrong number sorryyyy" or she gives you one of those fake numbers because she's not interested. I trap them this way because if they dont' want to give me their number, they will have to just say that instead of pretending because I will text them right there in front of me to verify we have the right number.

    2) It makes it so that we've already started a conversation via text. If I shoot her a text while we're still face to face and it says "Hey there" or whatever, she is WAY WAY more likely to text me a few hours later that same day because she'll go to her phone, look through her texts and go "Oh yeah, there's that guy I met today at the blah blah store. Lemme see what he's up to now." Or if she sent me a text first, then I have a legit reason to text her a few hours later because she already texted me. We already established contact.
    Trust me once you start doing this, you can contact them back whenever you want. Also if you were the one that sent the text to verify the number, I promise you she is way more likely to text you back very quickly (within a few hours usually, I don't think I've ever had to wait more than 12 hours before the girl texts me)

    3) As I said before, establishing a communication early on means the conversation via phone has already started and can resume whenever you want to. Don't think about the hours, days or whatever has gone by. Just text her when you feel like it. If you don't feel like texting her that day, then don't. Sometimes I get busy and don't text until the next day or maybe if I see her on a semi-regular basis I may not text her for a couple of days because I'll see her in person. Whatever you do, don't worry about it, just do whatever you feel comfortable with.

    As for this girl you mentioned that's 19. Are you saying that you haven't contacted her yet but you have her number? If yes, then go ahead and contact her.


    In all honesty this is my feelings about the contacting thing: If a woman is truly going to be so petty that they will be less attracted to you or maybe even COMPLETELY fall out of attraction for you (I find this hard to believe) because you called/contacted her TOO early or TOO late or WHATEVER, then I say FUK that woman. Seriously. Who ever invented these certain time constraints or rules to contact a person is an IDIOT.
    If I ever heard a woman say to me, "It was kinda weird that you called me a day later instead of 3 days later." I would turn right around and walk out. A woman who cares about shit like that is the kind of woman I don't want to waste my time with.

    Oh and this is coming from a guy who is not a PUA, never read any PUA, don't know the first thing about game or anything like that. I just picked up a few tricks from personal experiences. A PUA or a guy really good at game may have something else to say about it, but the above has worked great for me so maybe it'll work all right for you too.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    I've noticed as well that my acquaintances and even some friends would never talk to me again if I didn't initiate things. With females it's a given. I take it as them not actually valuing my company and I'm considering dumping them all from my life at some point. At least with best friends it's a 50-50 give and take like it should be.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    Men pursue. At the outset, there is no such thing as an expectation that she will try as much as you. You picked her out, you do the work. Over time, that should change into something more mutual. However, if it's a FWB or plate, you will still do much of the coordination.

    She WILL shit-test you. If you play the game, that's part of the game. You decide your threshold but to game women today and not expect it is just unrealistic.

    You will become a robot in a sense because there are rules of engagement. You can wait too long or seem too eager. Reading PUA stuff on a regular basis can help this become more ingrained into your thought process so later you don't have to think "Wait, what am I supposed to do here?". Keep your eyes open - as you court women, as you game, you'll learn what works and what doesn't.

    I'll close by saying men pursue. The virtue is we have more choice in terms of deciding which chick to engage with (as opposed to women, who mainly get "chosen"; yes they do close off certain men and show availability to others, but they have less agency overall in choosing); the downside is it's up to you to open her and build attraction.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    Yes and no guys most of you got it correct. But i have been in contact with her it was like 3 months befor the summer with the exams so we could not meet untill one day we said too meet and when that day came i dident tell her the place but just the time and 2 h befor she texted me asking if we were still meeting up and we did everything was going well but even tho i was sexual i couldent manege too close it that day she did say that there are more days we can meet up. And i did try im not new too get a gril.
    Thing is she told me too meet up and i did the same but every time since summer started and were finishing exams well i couldent meet up coz of work or going too see my friends and she couldent coz she wanted too see her friends and had an some exam in a acadamy of french or something. But either her and me were trying too settle a day.
    The last two days we said too meet up and when we were going too meet up she text me that day saying that she had too go too her other home coz she well her parents were renting it and it got full of water some pipe or something so she had too be there too fix it and clean it. At that point i was thinking it could be true and it was and she told be if you want we can meet up latter on and i will pick you up and we can go too this bar do you want too ? I said Are you serious well i hope you fix it, Ok sure, tell me things later. But she dident. Then some days later i talked too her too go and have some drinks she loved the idea but told me that she dident want too tell me yes or no untill she was 100% sure she could go since all these things happend too us and that by night time on friday this was she will tell me if she can for saturday since she wasent sure if she was going too some party with her female friends. I said Ok.

    My friends and my older sister that is a doctor in pycology tell me that i should forget her if she hasent told me too meet up or told you the time and place then too not dont bother with her but i dont know like ive just said when we were going too meet up and then that she couldent then she said that if i wanted too meet up later we could and she would pick me up but she dident say anything and then again telling me she would tell me if she can or not meet up for saturday and she dident but then she gives alternative but we dont go thru with it. And my friends and sister tell me if she was interested in me she would of said hi or told you if she could like she said she would.

    I really dont understand this should i stop contact with her o talk too her ?
    P.S The last time i was 10 days with out talking too her and then when i did she was like excited i talked again but i dont know whats going on, is she playing with me or dose she want too meet up ?


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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    I shit test all the time. Since you were COUNTING the days, you are probably on the needy side (no offense intended). You may not be the best judge of when to contact her by setting up a date, calling her to talk to her, or texting her on your phone.

    Follow this simple rule.

    Respond to her in a time period which is longer than her response to your last call/message/text.

    If she typically answers your last text within 15 minutes, wait longer than 15 minutes to respond to hers. Don't be that guy who instantly responds to her text.

    If she answers your text within 1 day, wait longer than 1 day to text her.

    She alone can increase the frequency of communication, you can slow communication. She will either fall in the needy trap you set up, or will end contact (all the better!)

    Doing the opposite makes you appear to be a beta orbiter

    To add. It's 10PM here and that reminded me, I try to cut off contact with women around 9:00pm-10:30pm. Basically the time I'd be driving over to another woman's house (ie: after single mom's kids are asleep). Same for weekends, I avoid texting women past 9PM, the time in which I'd be going on a date. Use her hamster wheel against her.
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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    yes ATLien
    im turning mad i n the sence that some friends tell me dont talk too her if she dose not say hello first. But i find that stupid since she dose keep the convosacion going and gets back too what i text either the next day if its late but she all ways replys back allways. So im going nuts since friends told me that she dosent want anything since she dosent say hell first but im like dose that even matter ? since she keeps talking too me its not like she goses cold like girls fo when they dont want too see the guy and she dose give me alternative days too have a date with her.

    My idea was too wait 10 days and yes im counting the days since i like too have control of every thing.


    i dont understad this part you said :
    She alone can increase the frequency of communication, you can slow communication. She will either fall in the needy trap you set up, or will end contact (all the better!) : Now im not talking too her since its the second time she said too me that she will tell me things if she can meet up on saturday (Last saturday) since she dident know if she was going too go too a party with her friends and did not want too tell me yes untill she was 100% sure too not tell me yes and then not be able she dident want too do that too me since its happend in the past so i think that is nice but she dident tell me anything and i did tell her (last friday) That im thinking too go too a party but it not sure yet are we going too meet up?. were she said : You can go too the party ey its just that i told yo that i wasent sure a 100% since ive gone too the beach all day. i said too that : Sure i will go and have a blast but i just wanted tooknow if we were or not going too meet up tooday and do mu things since this week was going too be hard too mett up if its not on friday or saturday, so then were not going too meet up for saturday either, we better cancle it no ? She said: Maybe tomorrow i will be going too that party i will tell you tonight. i said: ok. But she did not say anything just like i knew and i did my things.

    Doing the opposite makes you appear to be a beta orbiter. Doing the opposite makes me a beta orbiter ? what do you meen by doing the opposite of what ?


    My expirience should me girls dont contact the guy first my ex i had too talk first and she let me seduce her and that happend every time. So do i really have too wait untill she says something too me first and wait more then 10 days ?

    Im asking thins since my sister that keep in mind is a female so by that she might not tell me the truth of how woman work even tho im her brother and she is a doctor in pycology. But she said wait till se talks too you since you have shown that your interested in her. Im getting mad in the sence that i dont know what too do. thanks alot.

    What is this thing about the hamster ?

    So am i doing it wrong if ive been 6 day so far with out contact with her ?

    I normaly wait the same time to reply or a bit more sometimes i dont but thats likes like once in every 30 convos if so and too one text she has sent.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    Im sure that since summer started and she has been going too lot of partys and geting lots of guys nummbers and facebooks well she isent interested in me anymore even tho e were getting too know each other for months untill summer come. well fine she wants them go leave i dont want her if she comes back too me or anything too do with her im fuc*inbg tired.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    You need to establish an abundance mind set like she is doing. The difference is that men can handle the abundance mind set long term while women start to suffer. The reason being is that a woman's looks decline far more quicker and thus their pool of abundance starts to shrink while a man's increases.

    The key is you need to be patient and not come off so needy. ATLien provides a good guideline and gives you an idea on how to initiate contact. I personally will be more direct by saying when I will respond and at a particular time. The only time I employ dread game is when the woman is more involved and I know isn't seeing multiple other men.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    Azure Nomad
    I got laid last night and lots of girls were talking too me. Tell me if i maybe doing it wrong but i was thinking of not talking too her since i did in the last convo and she told me she would tell me things for saturday that she dident. Am i wrong by not talking too her and let her talk too me first ?
    You say that her as a woman the pool of abundance of men that she is meeting every night in the long term will not last and she will start too suffer ? how so and why?
    Yes i was coming as needy thats why on that friday i said that we werent goin too meet up on saturday too not ask her if we were.
    Isent it posible that she will get back too me if she sees that ive stooped initiating the convosacion so i dont have too keep talking first ? (If she really liked me).
    I dont see were ATLien gives me a way too initiate contact with her again were dose he say that ?
    Dont you think i should still just wait till she gets back too me and let the iniciate the convosacion if she really like me and thinks why ive stoped iniciating the convosacion with her?
    I know that ive outstandead too the rest of guys so im not worried about that part.
    Plus if i did say hi too her first i think she would think that i cant live with her and will just get her furthear away from me.


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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    Not to be an ass, but we give dating advice here now?!?!

    Note from BeijaFlor: This is "Bachelor." Maybe you'd be more comfortable in "Ghost."
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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    i got laid friday night and the same girl i will see tomorrow at her place its funny that im not so needy with the other girl but the other girl si a lot hotter and i do still want too fuck jer but i notice that im not so in too her i t must be coz im getting laid on a Dailyyyy baisisss!

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    Quote Originally Posted by Montresor View Post
    Not to be an ass, but we give dating advice here now?!?!
    Even before the website changes, there has always been dating advice here. It's just not many threads are posted asking for it.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    YourTipOfTheDay What do you think am i going the corret way ?
    Im still woundering on how the human brain works men and womans since summers here plus more men more woman we meet and its like the "attracion" drops and i thinks it will go up when winter comes and she will get too me, im saying thins since ive noticed this my self lots of girls out and about with sexy too nothing on with a tan and a sunny day i mean its so easy too "forget" that dude or girl that you have been talking too untill the summer come around. its just a theory i have but i might be on something. Plus my expirience is if a girl dosent like me she will just block me on whatsapp etc or not go and send me friend requests. So now i think im in her orbit just like im doing too her now untill a better time comes by.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    How funny i was going too meet up ith the girll of friday night too go too her place and today she say se as too go too work i said ok. i really dont care it so funny ow i dont care LOL.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    Well guys im thinking of ending it with this girl we dident say too meet up wither day of this week end but she said she wanted too buy we were going too talk about it so we did but she said she couldent she had a female friend over and had too do waht ever sh*t she said. so then i said ok look here, if you really want too meet up tell me what day you can and we see each other and i will tell you about my project (A project that she wanted me too tell her about that ive started) and we can have fun. But if you dont want too meet up just tell me i dont want too meet up. She replied: Look "SAMSUNG" i cant but on tuesday i can do you want too meet up then ? I said On tuesday ? are you sure if so its good with me. So what time should we meet at 20h at this place? then she said : jajaja you like too plan things ey i replied yes i like too know what im going too do and have every thing on the table so what at 20h at this place ? Oh and have a good day with your friend tooday take care.
    Ande she did not reply.
    I dont know what she is playing at and i want too know what too do guys what could i do ? i was thinking of sending a text tomorrow saying look if you want too see me we should set the time dont you think ? if you dont want too meet up well i dont want too waste my time if im not going too meet up with someone or something like that since we are not immortals. Funny thing is when i dont get mad with her its like she opens up a bit but too little.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    Quote Originally Posted by ATLien View Post
    I shit test all the time. Since you were COUNTING the days, you are probably on the needy side (no offense intended). You may not be the best judge of when to contact her by setting up a date, calling her to talk to her, or texting her on your phone.

    Follow this simple rule.

    Respond to her in a time period which is longer than her response to your last call/message/text.

    If she typically answers your last text within 15 minutes, wait longer than 15 minutes to respond to hers. Don't be that guy who instantly responds to her text.

    If she answers your text within 1 day, wait longer than 1 day to text her.

    She alone can increase the frequency of communication, you can slow communication. She will either fall in the needy trap you set up, or will end contact (all the better!)

    Doing the opposite makes you appear to be a beta orbiter

    To add. It's 10PM here and that reminded me, I try to cut off contact with women around 9:00pm-10:30pm. Basically the time I'd be driving over to another woman's house (ie: after single mom's kids are asleep). Same for weekends, I avoid texting women past 9PM, the time in which I'd be going on a date. Use her hamster wheel against her.
    Excellent response. I used the same response method. Except for the ones that text out of the blue a year later. I wait a day for them.

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    Re: When should we start talking too a girl again and is there a truth too the aiting till she talks too you

    boosting this to say something......
    if women still seem to cling to the obsolete idea that men "do all the work" in the relationship "dance".... I got just 5 words to say about that....
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    We have relationship advice on a MGTOW forum!?! I'm not sure that I quite understand what's going on here...


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